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Old Posted May 1, 2020, 4:20 PM
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Jeff Leiper has an article on his website that jives with my analysis above- the assumptions underlying the need for and size of the expansion are flawed. The city is forecasting far too many single family homes.

http://www.kitchissippiward.ca/conte...pansion-ottawa
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It's mildly annoying that city staff framed the discussion by electing to call a moderately less than obscene option "balanced".
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Ottawa homebuilders want you to see what city-proposed intensification looks like

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: 57 minutes ago • 4 minute read




The advocacy group for Ottawa’s residential developers — skeptical that a city planning proposal won’t add enough land in an expanded urban boundary — is eager for the public to understand what increased intensification looks like in built-up neighbourhoods

The Greater Ottawa Home Builders’ Association (GOHBA) had one of the city’s most prominent planning firms, Fotenn, rough the building masses in communities that, according to the firm, would be required to satisfy a city-suggested intensification target.

“We feel to have an informed decision about the intensification rate that’s being proposed, that modelling and mapping of where that intensification is going to go and what type of buildings are expected is an important part of that decision, and that hasn’t come through yet,” GOHBA executive director Jason Burggraaf said.

“The (city) staff say they’re going to provide it at the end of the year, but that’s too late. We’ve already made the decision by then.”

Burggraaf said Fotenn, which is a member of the association, estimated the intensification using a “most likely” scenario using directions already in community plans and where zoning bylaws will probably be upgraded to include larger buildings. The city isn’t being clear about what its intensification vision would look like in real life, he said.

The Fotenn drawings include assumptions for new buildings in Vanier, Westboro, Dow’s Lake area and around the intersection of Baseline and Merivale roads.



The city wants to increase the size of the urban boundary to add between 1,350 and 1,650 hectares of development land in response to Ottawa’s growth projection over 28 years. The added area would be complemented by a new-dwelling intensification target hitting 60 per cent in the last seven years of the planning window. It would mean 92,100 more homes in the built-up area between 2018 and 2046.

Currently, the official plan’s intensification target through to 2021 is 40 per cent.

Three camps have formed in advance of a council decision on the size of the urban boundary, which will form a refreshed official plan scheduled to be tabled by the end of 2020. There are those who don’t want any increase to the urban boundary, those who don’t think staff are pumping enough development land into a larger urban boundary and those who like the staff-supported “balanced” approach.

The anti-increase bunch, worried about the environmental impact of expanding subdivisions, want more focus on intensification, rather than fuelling urban sprawl.

On the other side of the spectrum, the homebuilders are skeptical about the city’s intensification goals because dense residential projects often receive resistance from communities. They believe there should be even more development land added inside the urban boundary to accompany intensification in built-up areas.

A joint planning and agriculture and rural affairs committee meeting on May 11 will end with a recommendation sent to council.

Lobbying from outside agencies is ramping up.

Ecology Ottawa has been urging supporters to email and call their councillors to oppose an expanded urban boundary and “car-centric development moving Ottawa further away from a sustainable future.”

GOHBA, meanwhile, has been asking members to email their councillors to call for an intensification target of 50 per cent, with additional development land beyond what city staff propose, “so that we can provide housing affordability and choice now and in the future.”

Asked if releasing intensification drawings could be seen as a scare-tactic by home builders who want expanded suburbs, Burggraaf noted members of his association also build small-to-large infill developments, not just suburban communities.

“They support the principles of intensification, they support increasing intensification in the context of the official plan and just in general for the city,” Burggraaf said. “The question is still, is the intensification that staff are shooting for achievable, and to our experience it isn’t.”

The Federation of Citizens’ Associations of Ottawa, the umbrella organization for community groups, is opposing the proposed expansion of the urban boundary, but president Sheila Perry said the federation is also concerned about the impact of over-intensification on neighbourhoods.

“There’s going to be some real give and take on this and this is where you have to really study communities and work closely with the communities,” Perry said. “That’s going to take a concerted effort on all parts.”

Perry said the organization is keen on addressing the “missing middle” in discussions about intensification, so that new developments don’t have to be either single-family homes are high-rises, but instead, smaller buildings with affordable units.

Plotting big buildings packed with units around transit stations might be the right approach when it comes to intensification, but there still needs to be harmony with the surrounding area, Perry said. The built-up communities will need to have the right city services, like community centres, to accommodate an increase of residents, she said.

“There’s huge opportunities,” Perry said, “but how do you get it right?”

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^ Is that supposed to be a scare tactic? It looks pretty awesome to me...

It does completely ignore how small-scale infill can replace the need for towers though...
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Clever choice of neighbourhood for the first of those concepts in the article. The "buildings" shown on the cross streets in that one seem to be comparable in size to the recently built 174 Glebe Ave, which fits beautifully into the neighbourhood, just a few blocks away. Is there a link to the actual document somewhere? It would be interesting to see what the Vanier and Westboro concepts look like.
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The intensification at Baseline and Merivale looks great. Looks like a downtown.
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Well...that looks great. A hell of a lot better than an unsustainable exurban sprawl beyond the greenbelt as we're seeing today. Thank you GOHBA for showing us the possibilities.
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Ottawa homebuilders want you to see what city-proposed intensification looks like

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Their concept shows the destruction of hundreds of single family homes and the preservation of parking lots and big box stores.

I'm personally not a fan of demolishing single family homes in older, mature neighbourhoods in places like the Glebe and Westboro. These homes were built using sustainable materials (solid wood, plywood, brick) and using skilled labour as opposed to the cheap particle-board and siding of the new suburbs. I'm not talking about the cheap match-stick houses in Mechanicsville, and Little Italy. Have at it over there.

I would honestly protect those older neighborhoods and their traditional main streets and have developers build on parking lots, big box stores, strip malls and industrial buildings.

I know this is not a popular opinion, but there is something to be said about saving the older tree lined neighbourhoods that contribute to cleaning the air and replacing them with cheaply built triplexes.
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Their concept shows the destruction of hundreds of single family homes and the preservation of parking lots and big box stores.

I'm personally not a fan of demolishing single family homes in older, mature neighbourhoods in places like the Glebe and Westboro. These homes were built using sustainable materials (solid wood, plywood, brick) and using skilled labour as opposed to the cheap particle-board and siding of the new suburbs. I'm not talking about the cheap match-stick houses in Mechanicsville, and Little Italy. Have at it over there.

I would honestly protect those older neighborhoods and their traditional main streets and have developers build on parking lots, big box stores, strip malls and industrial buildings.

I know this is not a popular opinion, but there is something to be said about saving the older tree lined neighbourhoods that contribute to cleaning the air and replacing them with cheaply built triplexes.
Keep in mind that the firm that made these renderings was commissioned by the GOHBA as a part of its paid (heavily paid if you spend any time on FB or Twitter) campaign promoting more sprawl. They therefore had a vested interest in making the intensification look as scatter-shot or unappetizing as possible. I'm guessing they probably didn't go through a rigorous economic study to look at which strip malls could be intensified but rather just picked properties at random to "scare people".

The hilarious thing is that even with this "scare" scenario with homes being demolished basically at random, it looks pretty damn amazing to me.
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This is their "scary" scenario. Don't threaten me with a good time!



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Really like the Westboro Beach concept. Could be the Humber Bay Shores of Ottawa
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I don't really have any issue with any of these renders or proposals. More sensible density seems to be the point of most of these. It would be good to have more urbanish nodes throughout the inner Greenbelt.
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And then there are articles like this: Coronavirus is making some people rethink where they want to live

Personally I’m glad I don’t live in suburbia during this lock down and can still walk to the grocery or get take-out even though the neighbourhood restaurants are closed for dine-in. Ottawa is lucky to have enough greenspace to balance more density.
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Really like the Westboro Beach concept. Could be the Humber Bay Shores of Ottawa
I spot an error on the Ward 17 map..interesting road #
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This all looks great! Transit oriented density within the greenbelt over endless tract housing sprawl and clogged arterial roadways. None of this scares me but it will scare the cookie cutter cult.
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'Vast gulf' in urban boundary battle as poll suggests people OK with expansion

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: 2 hours ago • 4 minute read




A poll commissioned by one of Ottawa’s big development lobbyists illustrates the mountain small community groups have to climb if they’re going to convince city council to refuse a staff recommendation to expand the urban boundary.

Robb Barnes, the executive director of Ecology Ottawa, observed the “vast gulf in resources between the two sides” of the urban boundary fight, which, at an organizational level, has environmental groups and community associations up against homebuilders.

The city’s planning department is recommending the addition of between 1,350 and 1,650 hectares of land inside the urban boundary as part of writing a new official plan. Councillors on two land-use committees will make a recommendation on the urban boundary at the end of a virtual joint meeting Monday.

Ecology Ottawa and other community groups want to stop the expansion of the urban boundary. However, the homebuilding industry thinks the city is proposing an overly ambitious intensification target and believes even more land should be added inside the urban boundary.

There’s another challenge for groups pushing for a freeze on the urban boundary: it seems people are okay with an increase to the suburban development area.

The Greater Ottawa Home Builders’ Association (GOHBA) paid EKOS Research to see how local residents view the housing market and the future of residential development.

Results of a survey of 770 adults suggested 43 per cent of people support having more low-rise homes and multi-unit housing coupled with “some” urban boundary expansion. Thirty-two per cent said they preferred the same types of homes in their neighbourhood and “more” boundary expansion, while 20 per cent want “more tall buildings to avoid boundary expansion.”

EKOS conducted the online survey between April 15 and April 23 using a randomly selected research panel and released the results Thursday. The margin of error is +/- 3.5 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

Frank Graves, president of EKOS, said people generally aren’t engaged in arguments about where new homes should be built when it comes to the urban boundary debate.

“I think the issue of intensification versus boundary expansion is not the way the public would think about this,” Graves said.

“The critical issue driving all of this is acute anxieties of affordability.”

The EKOS research shows people are skeptical that the next generation will be able to afford homes in Ottawa. For people surveyed who have an opinion on the issue, they would rather drive to a nearby town to buy a home rather than renting inside the city if Ottawa housing prices keep rising.

When it comes to how the city should make sure there’s enough housing, 59 per cent indicated a “balance” of land expansion and intensification and 23 per cent said the new homes should be in existing areas, while 13 per cent thought new communities in surrounding areas was the best approach.

Opinions on where new homes should be built differ in the city’s regions, according to the EKOS research.

“If you’re living downtown, you’re more likely to want to have new homes in existing neighbourhoods, but when you move out to Kanata and rural areas, you see a lot more receptiveness to new communities in surrounding areas,” Graves said.

Graves said people’s concerns about the environment are also captured in the research, with green space in developments placing second in an open-ended question about the most important issues facing the city in the next official plan.

Barnes said the EKOS research highlights real concerns about housing affordability, but he doesn’t believe the answer is expanding the urban boundary, partly because it will be expensive for city taxpayers to run more municipal services to far-flung communities.

The city staff report supporting a mixed intensification and urban boundary scenario has “huge gaps” on the costs and the greenhouse gas implications of suburban sprawl, Barnes said.

The COVID-19 restrictions have changed how advocacy groups are mobilizing this year compared to past urban boundary controversies at city hall.

These days, with the possibility of large-scale demonstrations impossible, public opposition and support can only be gauged by posts and banter on the internet. City council members can also judge who’s speaking the loudest through emails, calls and petitions.

Barnes said a petition to stop expanding the urban boundary has about 3,000 names.

Ecology Ottawa would be knocking on doors in the suburbs if not for the public health crisis, Barnes said.

The battle might appear lopsided.

On one side, the development lobby is drawing up intensification maps, buying ads and commissioning research.

“On the other side, you’ve got small little nonprofits. It’s purely volunteer driven,” Barnes said as Ecology Ottawa and other like-minded groups and individuals prepared for a “live online rally” Friday.

“On the other hand,” he said, “I think we’ve got the people power.”

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This one seems the most out of place on first glance, but it is my favourite. It is looking westward from Alta Vista, showing a densified Pleasant Park corridor leading to high-density around the Pleasant Park Transitway Station.

I think I have mentioned this before, but Pleasant Park Transitway Station makes the planner in me cry every time I pass it. Specifically, 136 Pleasant Park Road. That property is absolutely massive - trapezoidal in shape but can be approximated as a 65m x 50m square (meters, not ft) so 3,250m^2. It is DIRECTLY next the Transitway Station. It currently has a single, boring bungalow on it. Just to give you an idea, the same size of property fits 24 3-storey townhomes on it in the new Greystone development. IT IS ZONED R1 .

But that is just one property in the area - 2030 and 2036 Cabot Street are also massive. The fact that the area around Pleasant Park Station is still zoned R1 makes me just not take any of the bullshit language on Transit Oriented Development that spews out of the City Planning department seriously. Go eat a lemon Alta Vista and all the other areas in the City that receive special treatment for infuriating historical and political non-reasons.

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Their concept shows the destruction of hundreds of single family homes and the preservation of parking lots and big box stores.

I'm personally not a fan of demolishing single family homes in older, mature neighbourhoods in places like the Glebe and Westboro. These homes were built using sustainable materials (solid wood, plywood, brick) and using skilled labour as opposed to the cheap particle-board and siding of the new suburbs. I'm not talking about the cheap match-stick houses in Mechanicsville, and Little Italy. Have at it over there.

I would honestly protect those older neighborhoods and their traditional main streets and have developers build on parking lots, big box stores, strip malls and industrial buildings.

I know this is not a popular opinion, but there is something to be said about saving the older tree lined neighbourhoods that contribute to cleaning the air and replacing them with cheaply built triplexes.
Wow - there is a lot to unpack from that. First, Fotenn probably shouldn't have shown development on streets that have historical designation like Clemow Avenue. There are certainly some buildings in the Glebe and Westboro that are worth saving for their historical or architectural significance (or whatever...).

But.. your argument that the rich and influential Glebe and Westboro should be "saved" from development because they were built with better building materials and have nice trees - but hey "have at it" with those formerly poor working class neighbourhoods of Mechanicsville and Little Italy because they have poor housing stock. Hmmm, where have I heard that before: http://nccwatch.org/blunders/lebreton.htm

No, just no. Spare me from your preferential treatment for the rich and politically influential "mature neighbourhoods". Refer to previous rant about Pleasant Park Station.
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I'm not talking about mass expropriation for pennies on the dollar. The little crappy houses in Mechanicsville will go for $600,000+ a piece. No one's losing their livelihood over it. What I'm saying is that we need to look at it from an environmental perspective. Waste is a serious issue in our society and demolishing thousands of character houses surrounded by trees that could last another 100+ years for cheaply built triplexes of chip-board and plastic siding is counter-productive. It's a waste of natural resources.

A lot of those larger houses in older neighbourhoods could be divided into 2 or 3 units, providing more affordable housing (affordable as in, not ridiculously expensive like the individual units in the shitty looking, cheaply built triplexes) while still preserving a link to the past.

Montreal and Toronto are capable of preserving older character neighborhoods and main streets, even those around subway lines, while still densifying in other areas where there is less worth preserving. We can do the same.
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