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Coldrsx · #**421** Posted **Oct 13, 2008, 4:27 PM**

with regards to access to green roofs, this looks to be an extensive style (limited access) rather than an intensive (usable) in both design, style, and look.

but i do agree, they should have incorporated a rooftop public space of some kind.

dreambrother808 · #**422** Posted **Oct 14, 2008, 5:08 AM**

green roofs are intended for wildlife

deasine · #**423** Posted **Oct 14, 2008, 5:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by Distill3d

what is the reasoning behind that? i don't think i've ever really heard about why the public isn't able to access and enjoy this rooftop. (i apologize if it has been mentioned previously, i just didn't see it)

There's just no way you can go up there?

Coldrsx · #**424** Posted **Oct 14, 2008, 2:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by dreambrother808

green roofs are intended for wildlife

please dont comment on things you dont obviously know about.

enlighten here:

http://www.greenroofs.org/

dreambrother808 · #**425** Posted **Oct 14, 2008, 3:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

please dont comment on things you dont obviously know about.

enlighten here:

http://www.greenroofs.org/

no need to be rude. if i have misinterpreted from what i have read in the past, then fine.
this is a public discussion board, not a place where one has to necessarily be an expert on everything they discuss.
please show some manners.

Coldrsx · #**426** Posted **Oct 14, 2008, 3:24 PM**

^sorry, haven't had my coffee yet.

dreambrother808 · #**427** Posted **Oct 14, 2008, 8:22 PM**

np

thanks for the apology.

SpongeG · #**428** Posted **Oct 15, 2008, 1:16 AM**

i imagine they are afriad of noise and cave ins

Jared · #**429** Posted **Oct 15, 2008, 2:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

i imagine they are afriad of noise and cave ins

noise, maybe. Cave ins, I doubt it. Compared to the weight of the roof itself (all the structural stuff, plus the soil - which will retain lots of water), a couple dozen people on the roof is completely negligible.

jlousa · #**430** Posted **Oct 15, 2008, 2:21 AM**

The roof is designed to collect rainwater and store it, the way the roof is designed it has inclines everywhere, only a very small portion of the roof is even close to flat.
There isn't an abundance of insurance companies that will touch a green roof to begin with, even less that will if you allow people on them, and as far as I know not a single one would touch this inclined roof if people were allowed to walk on it, as it's would be very probable that someone could fall. Even if you built barricades to keep them from falling off the roof they could still take a tumble and get hurt.

SpongeG · #**431** Posted **Oct 15, 2008, 3:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by Jared

noise, maybe. Cave ins, I doubt it. Compared to the weight of the roof itself (all the structural stuff, plus the soil - which will retain lots of water), a couple dozen people on the roof is completely negligible.

i was making a funny

mrjauk · #**432** Posted **Oct 15, 2008, 4:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by jlousa

The roof is designed to collect rainwater and store it, the way the roof is designed it has inclines everywhere, only a very small portion of the roof is even close to flat.
There isn't an abundance of insurance companies that will touch a green roof to begin with, even less that will if you allow people on them, and as far as I know not a single one would touch this inclined roof if people were allowed to walk on it, as it's would be very probable that someone could fall. Even if you built barricades to keep them from falling off the roof they could still take a tumble and get hurt.

I was up on the roof of the Oslo Opera House on a beautiful (and relatively warm) Tuesday early evening. People were all over the roof...

http://www.oslooperahouse.com/

mr.x · #**433** Posted **Oct 15, 2008, 4:23 AM**

^ wow, if only...

jlousa · #**434** Posted **Oct 15, 2008, 4:26 AM**

I could be wrong but I don't believe that's a green roof is it?
Regardless I'm sure the legal system is probably quite different in Olso and the society there might not be as likely to sue for their own stupidity.

Those inclines while not large would be almost unclimbable to a lot of people on wet grass.

officedweller · #**435** Posted **Oct 15, 2008, 7:09 PM**

And also there'd be wear and tear on the plants (and membrane below) - even grass on street boulevards (between sidewalk and curb) gets worn down from repeated wear and tear - forcing the City to install concrete. There's also probably other infrastructure up there too - retaining walls (planter borders) that could get damaged.

Coldrsx · #**436** Posted **Oct 15, 2008, 7:12 PM**

FYI everyone - you dont actually walk or really go on the green part of the roof. You would create walkways and flat patio stone like areas for that.

As for the membrane it is far more protected when you use a green roof than just a typical roofing system.

AlexYVR · #**437** Posted **Oct 15, 2008, 9:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

FYI everyone - you dont actually walk or really go on the green part of the roof. You would create walkways and flat patio stone like areas for that.

As for the membrane it is far more protected when you use a green roof than just a typical roofing system.

I believe in this case they're talking about the planting medium ('membrane') which isn't actually present on a non-green roof.

In my opinion, I'd much rather have a functional, non-accessable green roof on the CC than a walk-up like the Oslo Opera House - you can find concrete sidewalks anywhere in a city, why add them on the top of a building?

Coldrsx · #**438** Posted **Oct 15, 2008, 9:49 PM**

^why not have both?

planting medium is NOT a membrane it IS a planting medium

Cypherus · #**439** Posted **Oct 16, 2008, 3:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by mr.x2

^ wow, if only...

I don't know: This setting makes people look like penguins playing on frozen antarctic ice cliffs.

SpongeG · #**440** Posted **Oct 16, 2008, 4:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

FYI everyone - you dont actually walk or really go on the green part of the roof. You would create walkways and flat patio stone like areas for that.

As for the membrane it is far more protected when you use a green roof than just a typical roofing system.

yeah have you been in the public?

they would be over every inch of that roof regardless of common sense or signage

It would have to be policed heavily