Canadian Retail Thread

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

St Lawrence in Toronto. I've never heard mention of a permanent one in Quebec City but there must be one, no?

Oops. You're right.

[gm_scott]

I can't help but see the similarities to the Halifax Seaport Farmers Market

[begratto]

Originally Posted by Acajack

The renderings look very nice.

It got me wondering about where the public markets are in Quebec City. I admit I've never paid attention to this aspect of the city. I assume they have one as the city is certainly large enough, and that it's somewhere in the central part of the city. But unless it's a blind spot for me, it doesn't seem to be a big thing in the city like the Byward in Ottawa, Jean-Talon in Montreal or Kensington in Toronto.

There are two main farmers markets in Quebec city.

• Marché du Vieux-Port (Old Port Market) Google Maps This is the one that will be replaced by the new proposed one near the Centre Vidéotron
• Marché public de Sainte-Foy Google map

The one in the old port is a bit far from the touristic areas and action, and lacks restaurants, cafes, etc which would make it a bigger draw for out-of-town visitors.

There are also smaller, seasonal farmers markets in the following neighbourhoods: Val-Bélair, Limoilou, St-Sauveur, Stoneham and Deschambault. They're much smaller though, with only 10 - 25 stalls each.

[davidivivid]

There are two public markets in Quebec City.

The first one, in Ste-Foy, is only open during the summer and is situated under disgusting yellow... tents.


http://www.quebecregion.com/fr/saveu...de-sainte-foy/


However, the city has been planning for some time now to built a permanent market near the future long track speed skating facility.


http://blogue.quebecmetro.com/oui-ou...ce-de-ste-foy/


The second (and real) public market is situated in the Old Port area:


http://ici.radio-canada.ca/emissions...ronique=346174


This building hasn't been upgraded in a long time and there have been so many discussions about what to do iwht it over the years. One of the main problem is that it is situated on Federal Governement property so everything is more complex and takes longer to advance. It is why this market will be relocated near the arena.

However, the City found a way to maintain a smaller public market in the Old Port. The huge surface parking lot scaring the Old Port is currently being transformed into a beautiful public square opening up a pathway towards the Civilization Museum. A concealed multi-level parkade with a green roof and kiosks on its side to accomadate a small public market will occupy about a third of the site.

Currently


Rendez-vous Naval de Québec 2012 par Daniel Lévesque, sur Flickr


What it might eventually look like:










http://ville.quebec.qc.ca/colloque/2...eloppement.pdf

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by davidivivid

First images of the future public market which will be housed in the old Commerce Pavilion next to the Quebecor Arena.









http://www.journaldequebec.com/2016/...ocite-des-2018

Nice. Hpefully it's the start of actually making the area an urban destination.

[ue]

Apologies if this is the wrong thread for this...

Are there any indoor shopping malls under construction in Canada these days? Or any since CrossIron Mills was built north of Calgary in 2009?

It seems like in the 1970s and 1980s, we overbuilt malls in Canada and the US and now have to deal with a saturation of them as we transition the mall concept away from the neighbourhood to being more regional centres. You see it with the success of Southgate, Kingsway, and WEM in Edmonton over Heritage Mall, Northgate, Meadowlark, Westmount, etc.

But as a regional centre, indoor malls have proven to continue to be very successful in the 21st century, with constant makeovers and expansions over increasingly scarce land. And while our cities continue to grow and expand, there really haven't been many new regional malls built this century. I can only think of Vaughan Mills and CrossIron Mills.

As the power centre concept slowly fades or transforms, and realizing we are in a winter country where malls can provide some respite from the cold, even though they don't encourage outdoor walkability (though without a sea of parking around them, they can be alright).

With retailers increasingly fighting over scarce prime retail space in Canadian cities, including in malls, I'm wondering why more aren't being built again, in particular in growing areas? I don't think it's necessary to have a neighbourhood mall in this day and age, but I dunno. I look at places that have grown quickly since the 1980s, like Grande Prairie or Fort McMurray, that don't have any sizable malls. I'm sorta surprised a second regional mall hasn't been built in Saskatoon, on its south side. Or SW Winnipeg. Or Milton. Or Ancaster. And so on.

[Pinion]

Originally Posted by ue

Apologies if this is the wrong thread for this...

Are there any indoor shopping malls under construction in Canada these days? Or any since CrossIron Mills was built north of Calgary in 2009?

It seems like in the 1970s and 1980s, we overbuilt malls in Canada and the US and now have to deal with a saturation of them as we transition the mall concept away from the neighbourhood to being more regional centres. You see it with the success of Southgate, Kingsway, and WEM in Edmonton over Heritage Mall, Northgate, Meadowlark, Westmount, etc.

But as a regional centre, indoor malls have proven to continue to be very successful in the 21st century, with constant makeovers and expansions over increasingly scarce land. And while our cities continue to grow and expand, there really haven't been many new regional malls built this century. I can only think of Vaughan Mills and CrossIron Mills.

As the power centre concept slowly fades or transforms, and realizing we are in a winter country where malls can provide some respite from the cold, even though they don't encourage outdoor walkability (though without a sea of parking around them, they can be alright).

With retailers increasingly fighting over scarce prime retail space in Canadian cities, including in malls, I'm wondering why more aren't being built again, in particular in growing areas? I don't think it's necessary to have a neighbourhood mall in this day and age, but I dunno. I look at places that have grown quickly since the 1980s, like Grande Prairie or Fort McMurray, that don't have any sizable malls. I'm sorta surprised a second regional mall hasn't been built in Saskatoon, on its south side. Or SW Winnipeg. Or Milton. Or Ancaster. And so on.

Tsawassen Mills is indoor, getting close to completed. South of Vancouver, near the ferry terminal to Victoria/the islands.



Here's the Vancouver subforum thread on it: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...189535&page=13

[ue]

^ Oh, interesting, thanks. Looks like the only malls being built now are 'Mills' malls. Shame it's got such a huge amount of surface parking that could be better utilized, but I guess it's the 'burbs and it takes time for habits to change...

[Innsertnamehere]

Milton got a mall, but its an outdoor one. An outlet mall at Trafalgar and the 401. Another large outdoor outlet mall was recently built in Niagara just off the QEW.

[J.OT13]

They built an outlet mall in Kanata also (Tanger Mall) across the 417 from the Corel Centre. We've seen major expansions and/or renovations to nearly all of our indoor malls, but no new ones.

[casper]

Originally Posted by ue

^ Oh, interesting, thanks. Looks like the only malls being built now are 'Mills' malls. Shame it's got such a huge amount of surface parking that could be better utilized, but I guess it's the 'burbs and it takes time for habits to change...

Even more concerning for someone who lives on the Island and goes over the ferry frequently. That mall has been built on the road to the main terminal. Traffic around holidays etc. is going to be challenging with both shoppers and travelers going along that route.

[hipster duck]

Originally Posted by ue

^ Oh, interesting, thanks. Looks like the only malls being built now are 'Mills' malls. Shame it's got such a huge amount of surface parking that could be better utilized, but I guess it's the 'burbs and it takes time for habits to change...

Well, not to get politically incorrect, but Tsawwassen mills is being built on land owned by the Tsawwassen First Nation.

IIRC, Metro Vancouver planners were pretty open in their displeasure about taking prime agricultural land and building a big ass mall with a huge surface parking lot. But, then again, we can't tell Aboriginals what to do with their land...

[ue]

Originally Posted by hipster duck

Well, not to get politically incorrect, but Tsawwassen mills is being built on land owned by the Tsawwassen First Nation.

IIRC, Metro Vancouver planners were pretty open in their displeasure about taking prime agricultural land and building a big ass mall with a huge surface parking lot. But, then again, we can't tell Aboriginals what to do with their land...

Yeah, considering how geographically constrained the Lower Mainland is and how much it tries to cram as much into that little amount of land as possible, Tsawwassen Mills does look out of place for the area.

For better or worse, though, existing malls in mature suburban and urban areas, fill a niche as a regional centre (places like Metrotown, Chinook, Polo Park, Yorkdale, Carrefour Laval, Champlain Place), so I'm surprised they aren't being considered in fast-growing suburban areas anymore. I think we're past the point of the neighbourhood mall, but if an area is expected to grow rapidly, why is it just power centres and I guess out east some outlet malls get built?

If designed without huge swaths of surface parking and with having exterior access to stores, malls can be a decent addition to a suburban realm. Certainly better than power centres and very practical for the winter months.

[J.OT13]

Two pictures from Rideau Centre expansion in Ottawa. Opening in August.

Originally Posted by kevinbottawa

Here are a few pics of Rideau.

Everyone has seen this vantage point already, but whatever.



Ogilvie Square



On a side note, if you go to the future LRT entrance next to Shoppers you can peek through the tarp and see the entrance. It looks great.

[caltrane74]

Eaton Centre Renovation

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Two pictures from Rideau Centre expansion in Ottawa. Opening in August.

Any updates? LOL

[lubicon]

Saks Fifth Avenue to open at Chinook Centre in Calgary.

Jones New York to close all stores in Canada and liquidate.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...ntre-1.3608744

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/jone...nada-1.3624043

[kwoldtimer]

I was surprised to see a TV commercial (women's wear) for Giant Tiger yesterday. I wonder if they're setting up to join Dollarama as the hot retail property in Canada?!

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

I was surprised to see a TV commercial (women's wear) for Giant Tiger yesterday. I wonder if they're setting up to join Dollarama as the hot retail property in Canada?!

I'm surprised that Giant Tiger has done as well as it has. Nothing great but the chain is still alive. We have two locations in Timmins. One new one and the other was renovated. I find both stores to be quite boring and offer nothing interesting. In the West end of our city we have Walmart, Dollarama, Dollar Tree and Giant Tiger together. GT Boutique (Giant Tiger) needs to carry more interesting and different merchandise if it wants to compete.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Loco101

I'm surprised that Giant Tiger has done as well as it has. Nothing great but the chain is still alive. We have two locations in Timmins. One new one and the other was renovated. I find both stores to be quite boring and offer nothing interesting. In the West end of our city we have Walmart, Dollarama, Dollar Tree and Giant Tiger together. GT Boutique (Giant Tiger) needs to carry more interesting and different merchandise if it wants to compete.

The reality is that with Walmart and a couple of other additional spots to your list, you've probably covered off a huge chunk of the retail market in Canada. People shop where they can afford to. And shop they will....