Speech pattern and typographical variations across Canada - Page 218

CivicBlues · #**4341** Posted **Dec 9, 2021, 5:55 PM**

Don't Canadians just use "You guys" in place of "Ya'll", "Youse", whatever.

But maybe that's too gender specific for these days.

Loco101 · #**4342** Posted **Dec 10, 2021, 5:02 AM**

I did a bit of research and the dots on the capital letter I is definitely done in Turkish.

Not a thing normally done in French or English.

The memorial sign is definitely not typical. They chose an unusual font and maybe it was one used for Turkish text?

As for the "SURVEILLANCE AÉRIENNE" signs, I remember seeing them as I have travelled throughout Quebec and the capital I never had a dot on it of all of the ones I have seen.

Architype · #**4343** Posted **Dec 10, 2021, 5:37 AM**

Dots on Is are actually just there to make the letter discernible from other vertical letter strokes, it can be hard to distinguish it from the capital T here from instance, among other letters with similar problems; "itilTITlil1l1oQO0jqpgnrm" depending on the font, and with cursive, even worse. But why there?

Acajack · #**4344** Posted **Dec 10, 2021, 12:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

Here's what I'm talking about:

I also specifically remember seeing "SURVEILLANCE AERIENNE" signs in the standard green highway sign format on the 40 between Montreal and Quebec with dots above the I. It's kind of thing you notice on a long highway drive. But I don't remember exactly where they were so I can't put up a picture of them.

I certainly wouldn't say it's frequent, but you see it enough in Quebec that you notice it's a thing. As compared to English Canada where dots above uppercase Is generally don't exist.

Ok. Thanks for the example.

biguc · #**4345** Posted **Dec 12, 2021, 2:31 PM**

Strange typography abounds in that memorial.

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Originally Posted by JHikka

Thinking about how Dilla died at 32. DOOM didn't even make it to 50.

Dilla, arguably the most talented of all. We'd be enjoying his second prime if he were still with us. Doom's death is such a strange mystery. Super sad.

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Originally Posted by JHikka

BC has its own typeface, BC Sans, which to me just sounds like someone speaking Japanese and referring to BC as BC-san.

Federal govt's official typeface is Helvetica. TIL.

I'm trying to see a meaningful difference between BC Sans and Helvetica. Maybe it's more visually open, as in the letters are set further apart? I don't know.

It sounds like they wanted an open-source font so they could modify it to include indigenous languages. Modifying Helvetica would mean paying big licensing fees to Monotype and, who knows, that might open some stupid procurement process.

Hali87 · #**4346** Posted **Dec 12, 2021, 2:48 PM**

I've noticed the dotted capital I's on a couple occasions although not enough to be able to produce an example. It seems to be more of a "font" thing than anything else, although it does seem a bit more common in Quebec and I've seen it on handwritten signs. But not many.

Dengler Avenue · #**4347** Posted **Dec 13, 2021, 1:24 PM**

I may have asked this before, but is Montebello pronounced like Monte Belle-Eau or Monté Belle-Eau?

Acajack · #**4348** Posted **Dec 13, 2021, 2:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I may have asked this before, but is Montebello pronounced like Monte Belle-Eau or Monté Belle-Eau?

In French the first E is definitely pronounced as an É and the T is clearly pronounced.

Even though there is no accent on this E in the way it's written, the "ay" sound also reflects how it's said in Italian.

In English, most Ottawa types generally say "monnabello".

kwoldtimer · #**4349** Posted **Dec 13, 2021, 3:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

In French the first E is definitely pronounced as an É and the T is clearly pronounced.

Even though there is no accent on this E in the way it's written, the "ay" sound also reflects how it's said in Italian.

In English, most Ottawa types generally say "monnabello".

"Mawn-tuh-bell-oh" to me, but I'm not an Ottawa native.

Acajack · #**4350** Posted **Dec 13, 2021, 3:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

"Mawn-tuh-bell-oh" to me, but I'm not an Ottawa native.

Yeah that's out there too. Especially on CBC Ottawa! Though I does seem that a lot of people give the T in Montebello the "Toronno" treatment.

lio45 · #**4351** Posted **Dec 13, 2021, 3:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by biguc

Great thing about English: we can just say "you" and skip all the noise.

But then what's your plan for distinguishing plural from singular? There are many contexts where y'all removes a very real ambiguity.

kwoldtimer · #**4352** Posted **Dec 13, 2021, 4:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

But then what's your plan for distinguishing plural from singular? There are many contexts where y'all removes a very real ambiguity.

"All of you". "You all" will not leave the impression that you are a cracker.

lio45 · #**4353** Posted **Dec 13, 2021, 4:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

"All of you". "You all" will not leave the impression that you are a cracker.

I prefer my solution: reintroducing the second person singular pronoun.

Thou = "you and only you"
You = "y'all" / "you guys"

No more confusion

biguc · #**4354** Posted **Dec 13, 2021, 4:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

But then what's your plan for distinguishing plural from singular? There are many contexts where y'all removes a very real ambiguity.

I won't pretend I'm above using y'all--it's a part of my arsenal for this reason.

However, ambiguities tend to be fewer than actual use of distinct plural 'you's would suggest, and when the situation calls for precision you may as well be precise. You two, you people, you folks, you fuckers--take your pick, they'll clear up misunderstandings and make room for new ones.

Y'all does have that easy elision to it though.

hipster duck · #**4355** Posted **Dec 13, 2021, 4:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Yeah that's out there too. Especially on CBC Ottawa! Though I does seem that a lot of people give the T in Montebello the "Toronno" treatment.

Was this always the case? Maybe the Toronto and area pronunciation is seeping into other parts of the province.

How do English Ottawans pronounce "Tremblay"? In my experience, Torontonians tend to pronounce a "Tr" more like a "Chr-", so "T'Chremblay".

kwoldtimer · #**4356** Posted **Dec 13, 2021, 4:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by hipster duck

Was this always the case? Maybe the Toronto and area pronunciation is seeping into other parts of the province.

How do English Ottawans pronounce "Tremblay"? In my experience, Torontonians tend to pronounce a "Tr" more like a "Chr-", so "T'Chremblay".

Never have I ever ...

hipster duck · #**4357** Posted **Dec 13, 2021, 4:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Never have I ever ...

It's a known thing.

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MonctonRad · #**4358** Posted **Dec 13, 2021, 4:32 PM**

tuh-RON-toe for me........

This is likely the RoC pronunciation.

theman23 · #**4359** Posted **Dec 13, 2021, 4:35 PM**

It’s T’ronno. Only the crazy drunk homeless Santa pronounces it Chranna.

Acajack · #**4360** Posted **Dec 13, 2021, 5:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by hipster duck

Was this always the case? Maybe the Toronto and area pronunciation is seeping into other parts of the province.

How do English Ottawans pronounce "Tremblay"? In my experience, Torontonians tend to pronounce a "Tr" more like a "Chr-", so "T'Chremblay".

Not really. The average anglo Ottawan does not pronounce Tremblay the exact French way, but there is very little CH sound in here. The TR is quite clear, though the R is an English R, not a French R.