Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Maybe that was already discussed and ths location is the closest that DND and the city would agree to.

More likely the city didn't want to extend the line that much.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by roger1818

The whole better for DND workers argument is just smoke and mirrors. Whether they have a 1.5+ km bus ride from Moodie or a 3.5+ km bus ride from Bayshore (with the extra 2km on a transitway) is irreverent. If they really wanted to serve DND, they would have a station just outside the security perimeter (with a pedestrian entrance).

As I said after Wednesday's presentation, my impression was that the main reason for the Moodie extension was to relocate the western maintenance yard.

What you say makes perfect sense.

[zzptichka]

Here's Woodroffe MSF selection study presentation from 2015: http://www.stage2lrt.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/MSF_POH-Presentation_-ENG.pdf
Wonder why they didn't go ahead with the Holly Acres site now that Woodroffe plans were abandoned.

As for the new site selection looks like they will have to put it either on Wesley Clover or DND land. Doubt they are crossing 417 and there is not much room on the East side of Moodie.

Here are Woodroffe(yellow) and Holly Acres(orange) sites for comparison:

[Kitchissippi]

With the number of people that will eventually work at the DND campus, They could easily install an automated cable-powered people mover to and from Moodie Station. It's about as complicated to operate as an elevator. A security post could could even be at the station so that only authorized people take the cablecar.

Plus, an elevated monorail travelling through the campus' central grassy mall would enhance its circa 1990s futuristic ambience

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

With the number of people that will eventually work at the DND campus, They could easily install an automated cable-powered people mover to and from Moodie Station. It's about as complicated to operate as an elevator. A security post could could even be at the station so that only authorized people take the cablecar.

Plus, an elevated monorail travelling through the campus' central grassy mall would enhance its circa 1990s futuristic ambience

Aren't you scared the tracks might bend?

Gotta love that 1990s planning and architecture that makes such blue-skying even necessary. Let's stop building suburban office "campuses" that are so hard to service by any mode of transportation.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Aren't you scared the tracks might bend?

Gotta love that 1990s planning and architecture that makes such blue-skying even necessary. Let's stop building suburban office "campuses" that are so hard to service by any mode of transportation.

It is more profitable to build condos downtown than office towers.

While we build our transit system to focus on downtown, employment is moving to the suburbs, and usually not along the Confederation Line corridor.

Sounds like good planning, doesn't it?

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by acottawa

It is easier/cheaper to use highway corridors as there is often already full grade separation and the lines go near drivers of ridership such as shopping centres.

One of the problems with following the highway corridors is the Citadis Spirit LRV has a Maximum speed of 105 km/h (65 mph). Outside of peak periods, traffic on the Queensway greatly exceeds that (averaging about 120 km/h) so with cars passing the trains, it makes the LRT look slower.

[HighwayStar]

Originally Posted by roger1818

One of the problems with following the highway corridors is the Citadis Spirit LRV has a Maximum speed of 105 km/h (65 mph). Outside of peek periods, traffic on the Queensway greatly exceeds that (averaging about 120 km/h) so with cars passing the trains, it makes the LRT look slower.

Well... not to those crawling along at 30km/h during rush hour

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by roger1818

One of the problems with following the highway corridors is the Citadis Spirit LRV has a Maximum speed of 105 km/h (65 mph). Outside of peek periods, traffic on the Queensway greatly exceeds that (averaging about 120 km/h) so with cars passing the trains, it makes the LRT look slower.

It doesn't matter what kind of train you use. Station stops mean that higher speeds are not possible.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by HighwayStar

Well... not to those crawling along at 30km/h during rush hour

That is why I said:

Originally Posted by roger1818

Outside of peak periods

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

It doesn't matter what kind of train you use. Station stops mean that higher speeds are not possible.

Agreed, but I am talking perception here. If most cars pass the LRV when it is travelling at its top speed, it looks slow. Run it beside a city street and it looks faster.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

It doesn't matter what kind of train you use. Station stops mean that higher speeds are not possible.

They'll reach 105km between stations. Maybe not in a few spots where stations are very close together but for most of the system, yes.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

It is more profitable to build condos downtown than office towers.

While we build our transit system to focus on downtown, employment is moving to the suburbs, and usually not along the Confederation Line corridor.

Sounds like good planning, doesn't it?

This is slowly starting to change. Notably, while the tech sector is still mostly based in suburban office parks, in the past few years there is a notable uptick of tech offices being set up downtown or along the Confederation Line route (Shopify, Klipfolio, CENX, Gymtrack, Lixar, Fuel, etc.). This will probably become even more significant in the future, because of the documented benefits downtown offices have on attracting employees (which more and more companies are realizing) as well as changes in the market shares of various subsectors. Many of the downtown firms are SaaS providers, so the downtown core has become the hub of SaaS activity in Ottawa, and SaaS is a massively growing field. By contrast the Kanata North hub is more about telecom and hardware, subsectors which have far less growth potential in the future than SaaS.

[Admiral Nelson]

Originally Posted by roger1818

One of the problems with following the highway corridors is the Citadis Spirit LRV has a Maximum speed of 105 km/h (65 mph). Outside of peek periods, traffic on the Queensway greatly exceeds that (averaging about 120 km/h) so with cars passing the trains, it makes the LRT look slower.

If you'll forgive my pedantry, Roger, it's peak period, not peek period.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Admiral Nelson

If you'll forgive my pedantry, Roger, it's peak period, not peek period.

Why do you hate pique periods?

Also, for what portion of the day is ambient Queensway traffic speed 120km/h or better?

[AndyMEng]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Why do you hate pique periods?

Also, for what portion of the day is ambient Queensway traffic speed 120km/h or better?

Outside of the following times and places, the ambient speed is no problem 120km/hr (sometimes better )

Westbound, between the split and Bronson: Slow at 7:30am-9:30am
Westbound, between Bronson and Bayshore: Slow at 4:00-6:00pm

Eastbound, between Bayshore and Bronson: Slow at 7:00am-9:30am
Eastbound, between Carling and the Split (~50% of the time): Slow at 4:30pm-6pm

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Also, for what portion of the day is ambient Queensway traffic speed 120km/h or better?

It depends on what stretch of the Queensway you are talking about but my guess would be about 75% (assuming a 3 hour morning rush hour and a 3 hour evening rush hour). Most stretches of the Queensway run freely outside of rush hour (assuming no construction or other obstruction). Some stretches run freely even during rush hour. Having said that, I have noticed that traffic on the Queensway has been getting heavier outside of rush hour (not enough to slow you down but noticeable), even late at night.

[TMA-1]

If that's not actually a train station down there then the joke's on me.





ufo station D822440 by Chuck Clark, on Flickr

[Uhuniau]

So. Much. Construction!

And I can't wait to see those awful 1990s-era residences along King Edward (top right of photo) meet their date with the wrecking ball.

[AndyMEng]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

So. Much. Construction!

And I can't wait to see those awful 1990s-era residences along King Edward (top right of photo) meet their date with the wrecking ball.

I'm looking forward to seeing the summer photo with the big tent set up in the top middle of that photo.