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Old Posted Jan 15, 2019, 9:00 AM
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There's all sorts of reasons for setbacks. In the Seattle zoning code, there are different setbacks depending on the particular zone. They are there to help transition or to soften some heights of buildings adjacent to others. It's not just a Manhattan thing.
I was clearly speaking to the origin of setbacks a good starting point imo.

In slc,in this instance,we are talking about a single home turned antique shop immediately next to a 15 story building and surrounded by 2 massive(~660 feet long a piece) freight docks.

This is in the middle of downtown! We are not talking about a transitional area, we are talking about the heart of downtown slc. Get outa here with that soften crap. It does not apply in this instance.

Edit: what setback is going to soften the transition between a high rise and one of the last remaining 2 story homes in a downtown? It is nonsensical. Let the home exist as the sorw thumb it has become(I like it) but don't design dt around a single 2 story home.
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I was clearly speaking to the origin of setbacks a good starting point imo.

In slc,in this instance,we are talking about a single home turned antique shop immediately next to a 15 story building and surrounded by 2 massive(~660 feet long a piece) freight docks.

This is in the middle of downtown! We are not talking about a transitional area, we are talking about the heart of downtown slc. Get outa here with that soften crap. It does not apply in this instance.

Edit: what setback is going to soften the transition between a high rise and one of the last remaining 2 story homes in a downtown? It is nonsensical. Let the home exist as the sorw thumb it has become(I like it) but don't design dt around a single 2 story home.
Agreed. In this case it is unreasonable to inflict such a cost on a developer when it is a lone home in a long standing high density area. Sometimes the needs of one or two property owners trump what makes sense long term. It is different, but I am reminded of how the N Temple Trax was routed the screwy way it is today because a very small group of homes on 6 west didn’t like the configuration. If I remember right half those homes are gone now as they sold out to developers.
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2019, 6:36 PM
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some nice aerial shots of SLC

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Old Posted Jan 15, 2019, 8:50 PM
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Phase 1 is profitable but the road cutting through the phase in anticipation of Phase 2 wouldn't work without the approval of plans for Phase 2. This does mean that they could build Phase 1 without the road but that would limit the retail offerings as they are based on a completed road and an estimated weighted value of Residences and Visitors for both Phase 1 and Phase 2. This would reduce the profit margin to a point that the ROI for investors may need to be extended to 10+ years.

Regarding Phase 2, the Planning Commission wanted an increase setback above 25' to provide a visual setback for the mansion (antique store) along 2nd South. This would cut out nearly 60% of the residential from the primary residential tower. As the 3 towers share a single podium, the costs would increase greatly to move the residential to another location.

It was the Developers desire to have the Planning Commissions setback removed by the City Council that during that discussion, it was brought up that the development along 1st South (Phase 1) should work with Japan Town and incorporate changes.

The City Council agreed to take up the Developers request for the removal of the setback once the Developer completed some mediated meetings from the Japan Town community to take their input and requests and make changes to the plans.

These changes if implemented would require going through the planning commission again adding increased costs for the project. There is also no guarantee on the setback update as the City Council would want to see the updated plans and the approval from the Planning Commission before making their update. This is only because once the City Council removes the setback, there would be no guarantee that the Developer would use the updated plans for Phase 1 without the Planning Commission sign off.

It sets up a catch-22 situation where if the Developer makes the changes and the City Council doesn't approve the setback removal, the updated phase 1 may not be profitable by itself. This could lead to a revamp of Phase 2 or a complete scrapping of the project.

The developer doesn't need the TIF for parking in Phase 2. The County is offering the money only because they would like to have some guaranteed parking for the Convention Center. It would be County funds but as the funds would be administered by the City, it needs City approval (because it isn't a County funded project).
What are the most current plans and renderings for Phase 2? Are they proposing 3 towers there? If they are, that's where I would be concerned. It would look out of place. I know lots of you on here balk at any nay saying about height or density. But, good cities have zoning that requires significant spacing between towers. That area is surrounded by low and mid-rise. I think even 2 towers on a 1/4 block is pushing it.

Regarding that house, I think it should either be moved or demolished. How historically significant is it? There are plenty of those houses in the avenues.

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Old Posted Jan 15, 2019, 11:29 PM
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A Conditional Design Review has been submitted for the Convention Center Hotel. No renderings yet but still good to see that this is actually moving along.

https://citizenportal.slcgov.com/Cit...howInspection=
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2019, 2:57 AM
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Agreed. In this case it is unreasonable to inflict such a cost on a developer when it is a lone home in a long standing high density area. Sometimes the needs of one or two property owners trump what makes sense long term. It is different, but I am reminded of how the N Temple Trax was routed the screwy way it is today because a very small group of homes on 6 west didn’t like the configuration. If I remember right half those homes are gone now as they sold out to developers.
It wouldn't even harm that one property owner. It is an antique shop that would benefit immensely from the increased foot traffic.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2019, 2:52 PM
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A Conditional Design Review has been submitted for the Convention Center Hotel. No renderings yet but still good to see that this is actually moving along.

https://citizenportal.slcgov.com/Cit...howInspection=
The documents should be online in the next few days. I am not sure if they are wanting to have a press release for the design first or if the Accela system is just slower to display the documents.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2019, 7:21 PM
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Mid Valley Performing Arts Center. I think Taylorsville is a little gem in our valley:

https://artsaltlake.org/mid-valley-p...oming-in-2020/
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Has anybody been to the Salt Lake City Target recently? Paxton apartments have a building permit and I'm curious if they've started construction.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2019, 10:00 PM
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Mid Valley Performing Arts Center. I think Taylorsville is a little gem in our valley:

https://artsaltlake.org/mid-valley-p...oming-in-2020/
Taylorsville, Utah?
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Impressive. I wouldn't have thought this possible from the Taylorsville I knew in the past. So tell me what's going on there lately? Have a lot of changes taken place over the past 10 years? I guess I should probably repost this over on the SLMSA Thread. Probably someone already has.

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Mid Valley Performing Arts Center. I think Taylorsville is a little gem in our valley:

https://artsaltlake.org/mid-valley-p...oming-in-2020/


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Old Posted Jan 17, 2019, 5:36 AM
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This was already posted in the Salt Lake MSA thread back in November, fyi. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=5625

Anything non-downtown SLC/University of Utah/Sugarhouse should be in the MSA thread.
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2019, 5:04 PM
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Info regarding Block 67 (The West Quarter):

Plan for Salt Lake City to pay for the parking garage at a huge downtown development hits a snag

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2019/01/...lake-city-pay/

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Salt Lake City has agreed to help provide millions of dollars in tax money for an underground parking garage as part a massive development of apartment towers, hotels and and office space on downtown’s Block 67, just west of the Salt Palace Convention Center.

And the prospect of that public cash has also been a key factor in delicate negotiations aimed at ensuring that what’s left of an old ethnic neighborhood known as Japantown gets a future place in the project’s design.

The initial idea, city officials say, was to funnel up to $15 million in state transportation money through Salt Lake County to developers at The Ritchie Group. And then Salt Lake City would pay the county back with future tax revenues from the project and surrounding properties.

But that scenario has hit a major obstacle. The same mechanism the city was exploring to fund the underground parking structure — creating a new taxing district — now appears to conflict with a similar plan deployed years ago to pay for the George S. and Dolores Doré Eccles Theater on Main Street.

So where does it go from here? The city isn’t entirely sure, but officials say they are still committed to getting that cash to the developer.

City leaders heard Tuesday that lawyers are now warning against creating a Block 67 community reinvestment area, a legal tool that essentially lets cities devote a portion of future gains in property tax revenues to improving that area.

Danny Walz, chief operating officer for the city’s Redevelopment Agency (RDA), told City Council members Tuesday that a key part of the block bounded by 100 South and 200 South between 200 West and 300 West overlaps with a tax-collecting district created to pay off bonds for the Eccles Theater.

Walz said the RDA’s attorneys concluded that carving the whole block into its own tax district could threaten repaying the Eccles debts.

“Long story short, we basically cannot or do not want to pull that out of the central business district project area,” he told the council, acting in its capacity as the RDA Board. He said the RDA was now “extremely risk-averse to doing that.”

Walz confirmed to the RDA board “there are still options for how we structure this for the developer,” though he added those had not been finalized. And another key piece of the city’s involvement with the project is also up in the air, he said.

A deal with Salt Lake County covering transfer of the $15 million remains unsigned, Walz said, and with the departure of County Mayor Ben McAdams, elected to Congress in November, questions remain on key details of that interlocal agreement.

“We’re still in the process of figuring that out with the county,” he said.

Ryan Ritchie, a leading partner with Utah-based The Ritchie Group, has said the underground parking lot is crucial to the Block 67 project’s overall design and its plans to somehow incorporate Japantown.

But the developer told The Salt Lake Tribune that even without a community reinvestment area covering all of Block 67, The Ritchie Group was confident the project would go ahead as planned.

Ryan Ritchie said Wednesday he had been assured the company would still receive public funds for the parking garage and that designs for the first of two phases of construction for The West Quarter were not being changed.

“We’re still planning to build phase one as is,” said Ritchie, who added that some kind of taxing district remained “critical” to the project’s finances and suggested the city might create a smaller district on just the northern corner of Block 67, outside the taxing portion of the central business district.

“I think the city has every intention of creating it. They’ve been very supportive of it,” the developer said.

The West Quarter project is among the largest developments now being pursued in the capital city’s downtown, with plans for more than 650 residential dwellings, two hotels, an office tower and a host of shops and eateries along a tree-lined street winding through the block — as well as the underground parking garage with more than 1,000 stalls.

With its footprint and the proposed height of its towers, the project is expected to, in effect, push the city’s downtown further westward, with potential to tie the business core more closely with Vivint Smart Home Arena and The Gateway.

While proceeding on separate tracks, negotiations on public cash for the parking garage are closely linked with ongoing talks on the future of Japantown, an ethnic enclave that once thrived along 100 South on Block 67’s southern edge.

Members of Utah’s Japanese community have raised concerns that The Ritchie Group’s project will overwhelm the Japanese Church of Christ and the Salt Lake Buddhist Temple, the two buildings left in that area from what was once a vibrant strand of shops and gathering places catering to Japanese immigrants.

The city, in turn, has sponsored mediation talks between the developer, the Japanese community and other stakeholders in hopes of including some recognition of Japantown’s legacy and heritage in the final project. A new phase of those negotiations was set to begin Wednesday.

The City Council has also set aside $100,000 for “place-making” related to Japantown in hopes of fostering a compromise in those talks, and The Ritchie Group has offered to put $1 million toward a Japantown presence as part of The West Quarter. But Ryan Ritchie has said that scenario depends on building the project with the underground parking complex.
It sounds like things are progressing and the only hold up is the taxing district for the $15 Million for the parking. It also sounds like any update for Japan Town will be less architectural and more akin to Landscaping and way-finding. It also sounds like the updates may be included in both Phase 1 and Phase 2.
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2019, 8:18 PM
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Thanks for posting. Interesting info. Let's hope that this can get resolved soon.
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I just drove by Harmon's on 100 S. and I noticed in the lot directly east there are about a dozen new wood structures lined up. To me they look like they might be assembled together to create the covered pedestrian sidewalk that are temporarily used at construction sites.

Does anyone know what these are? Could it mean Tower 8 is getting close to groundbreaking?
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I just drove by Harmon's on 100 S. and I noticed in the lot directly east there are about a dozen new wood structures lined up. To me they look like they might be assembled together to create the covered pedestrian sidewalk that are temporarily used at construction sites.

Does anyone know what these are? Could it mean Tower 8 is getting close to groundbreaking?
They are the covered walkways for around Tower 8.
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2019, 11:08 PM
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They are the covered walkways for around Tower 8.
That is very welcome news!!!
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2019, 3:46 AM
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Is tower 8 getting built in Q1 or Q2 of the year? Or do we not know that yet?
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Tower 8 is most likely to delay until 2nd quarter. There are still some design related items that are being worked through.
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You mean the only decent place to park on campus for hundreds of people?
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