The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 211

Chadillaccc · #**4201** Posted **Apr 21, 2014, 7:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by milomilo

I preferred riding the oldest trains to the newest ones entirely due to much more comfy seats. Looks like the new trains will have much improved seating.

I actually enjoy the middle model trains the most (the ones delivered in 2000). They have the comfort of the older ones, but with modernity and non malfunctioning heaters

Here's a bit of a tour of some of the new(ish) stations of the Ctrain I did on Friday...

45 Street Station

FortyFifth by Chadillaccc, on Flickr

Part of the West Line Trench...

West Underpass by Chadillaccc, on Flickr

69 Street Station

SixtyNinth by Chadillaccc, on Flickr

SixtyNinth by Chadillaccc, on Flickr

Saddletown Station

Saddletowne by Chadillaccc, on Flickr

GlassCity · #**4202** Posted **Apr 21, 2014, 7:24 AM**

Awesome pictures, I love seeing other mass transit systems! And Calgary's newer stations are very nice. Pretty crazy that quite a few don't have cover over the platforms though, but I guess you guys don't get as much rain as we do

Chadillaccc · #**4203** Posted **Apr 21, 2014, 7:27 AM**

All of them have cover over the stations actually, some of them just don't have cover over the tracks. They do have pretty nice designs though

Can't wait to get some shots of Tuscany once it opens. It will probably be the nicest of them all!

GlassCity · #**4204** Posted **Apr 21, 2014, 8:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

All of them have cover over the stations actually, some of them just don't have cover over the tracks. They do have pretty nice designs though

Can't wait to get some shots of Tuscany once it opens. It will probably be the nicest of them all!

Well I meant the entire length. But yeah, I'm looking forward to Tuscany too. It's gonna be a good fall for Canadian transit!

LeftCoaster · #**4205** Posted **Apr 22, 2014, 6:06 PM**

I don't think this has been posted here before, but here's a look at the new Mark III Skytrains ordered by Translink to coincide with the Evergreen line opening.

They should be running in 4 car sets on the Expo line, with the smaller trains currently on the Expo Line moved over to the Evergreen.

http://advantadesign.com/64-bombardier-page/bombardier-acticle/112-innovia-300-for-bombardier.html

Canadian74 · #**4206** Posted **Apr 22, 2014, 6:14 PM**

Looks amazing.........

Chadillaccc · #**4207** Posted **Apr 22, 2014, 6:34 PM**

I loooove sitting in the front seat of Skytrains! That's pretty much the best part of them not having driver cabins, the front and back are a completely open and amazing view.

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Originally Posted by GlassCity

Well I meant the entire length. But yeah, I'm looking forward to Tuscany too. It's gonna be a good fall for Canadian transit!

Oh okay. Yeah, I think there are only a couple stations with covering for their entire length. Part of many of CTs cost saving measures. Thankfully most people have feet and legs to walk to a covered area if need be though!

The design of new stations (other than the west line) is pretty cool though, having the station itself stretching most of the way down the platform, allowing people to take one step outside and right into a train door. Here are two examples...

Crowfoot

Tuscany (best one I could find)

milomilo · #**4208** Posted **Apr 22, 2014, 7:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

I actually enjoy the middle model trains the most (the ones delivered in 2000). They have the comfort of the older ones, but with modernity and non malfunctioning heaters

I agree entirely! They also have less awkward leg room and aren't as likely to break down.

GreaterMontréal · #**4209** Posted **Apr 22, 2014, 8:42 PM**

STM buses may now travel on Highway 40 shoulders

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/stm-buses-may-now-travel-on-highway-40-shoulders-1.2617365

GernB · #**4210** Posted **Apr 22, 2014, 9:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Lol that's not what I meant. I am not certain they did, but I know my hometown of Woodstock Ontario (37 000 people) had one way back. So I'm sure Lethbridge had at least one line at one time.

EDIT: found a photo

http://peel.library.ualberta.ca/postcards/PC004082.html

This is the picture I have, though I can't find it. This is looking west downtown 3rd (then Redpath) Avenue; the street near the middle is 5th Street South, and that's Galt Gardens to the right. Many of the buildings are still standing, including the Lethbridge Hotel, the old Fire Hall (the bell tower in mid-frame) and the buildings on the NW corner of 3rd Ave & 5th St. The Streetcar followed 3rd Ave then went up 13 St to what was then called the North Ward; there was also a line along what is now 6th/7th Ave/Parkside Drive to the exhibition grounds

Dmajackson · #**4211** Posted **Apr 25, 2014, 4:32 AM**

Halifax's new ferry has emerged! The Chritopher Stannix will provided 30-min off-peak and 15-min on-peak service between Downtown Halifax and Woodside.

Source : Metro Transit Twitter Account

ssiguy · #**4212** Posted **Apr 26, 2014, 5:50 AM**

I don't understand Translink.

They say they want all EXPO trains to be 4 cars but they already use the max 6 car MK1 trains and what they consider 6 car MK11 cars {2 full 36 meter trains which is the same size as 3 MK1}. They say they are expanding the EXPO line to accommodate 4 car trains but already run 6 car trains...........I can't figure out what the hell they mean.

BTW, love the look of the new MK111!

GreaterMontréal · #**4213** Posted **Apr 26, 2014, 2:20 PM**

List of North American rapid transit systems by ridership

Annual Ridership 2013
...
3. Montréal Metro
total: 356,096,000
adbpm: 29,214
adwb: 1,256,200
4. Toronto Subway+RT
total: 309,490,400
adbpm: 23,769
adwb: 1,007,800
9. Vancouver SkyTrain
total: 120,439,900
adbpm: 8,906
adwb: 379,400

LR Calgary C-Train
total: 86,648,100
adbpm: 9,030
adwb: 298,000

adbpm (Ave. daily boardings per mile)
adwb (Ave. daily weekday boardings)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_rapid_transit_systems_by_ridership
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_light_rail_systems_by_ridership

PhilippeMtl · #**4214** Posted **Apr 28, 2014, 5:23 PM**

Montreal Metro new train

source:https://www.facebook.com/stminfo/photos/...614796/10152417542074797/?type=1&theater

GlassCity · #**4215** Posted **Apr 28, 2014, 5:50 PM**

Those are so sick. How wide are they? They look narrower than Toronto's subways for example.

SFUVancouver · #**4216** Posted **Apr 28, 2014, 6:09 PM**

The new Montreal Metro cars are 2.5m in width, while Toronto's subways are 3.137m in width. Vancouver's SkyTrain cars vary in width. The SkyTrain Mk1 are 2.4m in width; Mk2 are 2.65m in width; the Mk2.5 have the the same external dimensions as the Mk2; the on-order Mk3 cars will also have the same width as the Mk2; and, finally, the Canada Line SkyTrain cars are 3m in width.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Metro
http://stevemunro.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/TRCarSpecs1C.jpg
http://bc.transport2000.ca/images/skytrain_car_diagram.gif
http://greg-vassilakos.com/traindwg/lg-bombardier-artii-vancouver.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Line

The new Montreal Metro rolling stock looks great!

GlassCity · #**4217** Posted **Apr 28, 2014, 6:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

The new Montreal Metro cars are 2.5m in width, while Toronto's subways are 3.137m in width. Vancouver's SkyTrain cars vary in width. The SkyTrain Mk1 are 2.4m in width; Mk2 are 2.65m in width; the Canada Line SkyTrain cars are 3m in width.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Metro
http://stevemunro.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/TRCarSpecs1C.jpg
http://bc.transport2000.ca/images/skytrain_car_diagram.gif
http://greg-vassilakos.com/traindwg/lg-bombardier-artii-vancouver.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Line

The new rolling stock looks great!

That's exactly what I was getting at, it looked to be around the same as our Skytrains. I've had an inner struggle as to whether our Skytrains are wide enough or not, but hell if it works for Montreal it will work for us.

SFUVancouver · #**4218** Posted **Apr 28, 2014, 6:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by GlassCity

That's exactly what I was getting at, it looked to be around the same as our Skytrains. I've had an inner struggle as to whether our Skytrains are wide enough or not, but hell if it works for Montreal it will work for us.

I entirely agree. A post further up the page (quoted below) illustrates that it's not the rolling stock that's a long-term obstacle to continued SkyTrain ridership growth. Frankly, it's the (correct) strategic decision to employ the SkyTrain system as a hybrid metro/regional rail system more akin to the S-Bahn in Berlin than the U-Bahn, by way of example. Should the UBC Line be built, which it should, we will significantly tip the balance towards the 'metro' end of the spectrum. I think that train crowding on that portion of the line will provide the imputes to reconfigure the seats towards something more in line with the Montreal Metro.

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Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

List of North American rapid transit systems by ridership

Annual Ridership 2013
...
3. Montréal Metro
total: 356,096,000
adbpm: 29,214
adwb: 1,256,200
4. Toronto Subway+RT
total: 309,490,400
adbpm: 23,769
adwb: 1,007,800
9. Vancouver SkyTrain
total: 120,439,900
adbpm: 8,906
adwb: 379,400

LR Calgary C-Train
total: 86,648,100
adbpm: 9,030
adwb: 298,000

adbpm (Ave. daily boardings per mile)
adwb (Ave. daily weekday boardings)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_rapid_transit_systems_by_ridership
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_light_rail_systems_by_ridership

GlassCity · #**4219** Posted **Apr 28, 2014, 6:51 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

I entirely agree. A post further up the page (quoted below) illustrates that it's not the rolling stock that's a long-term obstacle to continued SkyTrain ridership growth. Frankly, it's the (correct) strategic decision to employ the SkyTrain system as a hybrid metro/regional rail system more akin to the S-Bahn in Berlin than the U-Bahn, by way of example. Should the UBC Line be built, which it should, we will significantly tip the balance towards the 'metro' end of the spectrum. I think that train crowding on that portion of the line will provide the imputes to reconfigure the seats towards something more in line with the Montreal Metro.

Definitely, once the Broadway Line opens ridership will explode, simply because a lot of people just don't want to deal with the hassle of the 99 B-Line.

I've just wondered sometimes if the Canada Line's higher train capacity is worth its much slower average speed, and the fact that Montreal is using narrow trains too makes me sure we've chosen the right technology.

What do you mean about seat configuration like in Montreal? Do they have mostly side facing seats?

SFUVancouver · #**4220** Posted **Apr 28, 2014, 7:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by GlassCity

What do you mean about seat configuration like in Montreal? Do they have mostly side facing seats?

Here are a few photos from the mock-up train cars and renders. I don't know what the final configuration looks like.

http://postmediamontreal.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/new-metro-car-stm.jpg

http://www.stm.info/sites/default/files/resize/20120501-led-027-630x408.jpg

http://www.adesignaward.com/designs/be6363449e51a00e9ecf8cb6f1387bfa23b413d4-2-t710.jpg

For sake of comparison, here are refurbished Mk1, Mk2, and Mk2.5 SkyTrain cars, respectively.

http://assets.vancitybuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/BZnHQOoCcAA6OBI.jpg

(I didn't find a photo with an empty car in the time I was prepared to look)

http://www.leespage.ca/h/tra/ca/bc/va/i/b/b.jpg

http://voony.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/skytrainmk2interior1.jpeg