Hudsons Bay Building (Winnipeg) Redevelopment - Page 21

1ajs · #**401** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 9:09 PM**

provicne ponyed up 25million to redevelop the building so id say thats less iikly to see if come down and imagin that will have influence on what ideas are being worked on

BlackDog204 · #**402** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 9:33 PM**

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provicne ponyed up 25million to redevelop the building so id say thats less iikly to see if come down and imagin that will have influence on what ideas are being worked on

The Hudson Bay Building is sacred. Winnipeg just not be Winnipeg if it were torn down.

trueviking · #**403** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 9:47 PM**

vancouver is lucky that the store is staying in some form. I wish we had hung on long enough to have made that work.

peg · #**404** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 9:50 PM**

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vancouver is lucky that the store is staying in some form. I wish we had hung on long enough to have made that work.

Agreed. It is a shame that HBC couldn't keep a small store in the building.

esquire · #**405** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 10:05 PM**

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The Hudson Bay Building is sacred. Winnipeg just not be Winnipeg if it were torn down.

The Eaton's store was just as iconic and we seem to have gotten by in its absence, no?

drew · #**406** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 10:18 PM**

^ disagree that Eaton's was anywhere near as iconic. At least with respect to the quality of the building and location.

Those two building are not comparable at all. Eatons was built on a standard pre-war Winnipeg warehouse spec - The Bay is built to a level equivalent to important municipal buildings of the era (clad in stone, full concrete structure and proper foundations).

esquire · #**407** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 10:27 PM**

I'm speaking more to their roles within the city's history and identity, in that regard Eaton's is easily on par with Hudson's Bay.

I like the HBC building and I'd love it if an alternative use could be found... but at what point can we say that we have done enough as a city and it is time to let go? The writing was on the wall for a good 20 years before the store finally closed, yet we don't seem to be getting any closer to finding an answer to this problem notwithstanding the occasional winking emoji from vike. It may just be that redeveloping a building that massive is simply more than can be realistically expected in a city of this size.

BlackDog204 · #**408** Posted **Feb 22, 2022, 11:06 PM**

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The Eaton's store was just as iconic and we seem to have gotten by in its absence, no?

Relatively speaking, it was an ugly brown box.

trueviking · #**409** Posted **Feb 23, 2022, 5:51 AM**

Wow. Surprised so much office space.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/huds...anville-street

trueviking · #**410** Posted **Feb 23, 2022, 5:56 AM**

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I'm speaking more to their roles within the city's history and identity, in that regard Eaton's is easily on par with Hudson's Bay.

I like the HBC building and I'd love it if an alternative use could be found... but at what point can we say that we have done enough as a city and it is time to let go? The writing was on the wall for a good 20 years before the store finally closed, yet we don't seem to be getting any closer to finding an answer to this problem notwithstanding the occasional winking emoji from vike. It may just be that redeveloping a building that massive is simply more than can be realistically expected in a city of this size.

Bay Building isn’t going anywhere. Spending $30 million to demolish it to make an empty site would never happen. We lucked out with Eatons because there was another use but it’s difficult to see what would replace the bay that wouldn’t have already been built on another empty lot in downtown.

trueviking · #**411** Posted **Feb 23, 2022, 5:58 AM**

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Relatively speaking, it was an ugly brown box.

It was also wood frame, not concrete like the bay. Much more conducive to redevelopment.

CoryB · #**412** Posted **Feb 24, 2022, 3:12 PM**

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Wow. Surprised so much office space.

Trying to remember where I saw a proposal like that before...

... ah yes, that was one of proposal for presented to the public for the Hydro HQ project in Winnipeg. With all the public money going into that it was the once in a life unicorn the building needed. Instead a block of multiple individual low-rise buildings was demoed to make way for the project. It was as wrong then as it is now.

Ando · #**413** Posted **Feb 24, 2022, 4:59 PM**

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Wow. Surprised so much office space.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/huds...anville-street

It makes a difference when you are sitting on top of a rapid transit line and across the street from another. Something Winnipeg does not have. The concept is great though. Maybe something on a smaller scale could be done in Winnipeg with some government support (while we're waiting for the rapid transit lines).

Biff · #**414** Posted **Feb 24, 2022, 8:10 PM**

Even Toronto is not immune to The Bay closing stores.

https://retail-insider.com/bulletin/...nto-exclusive/

esquire · #**415** Posted **Feb 24, 2022, 8:24 PM**

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Even Toronto is not immune to The Bay closing stores.

https://retail-insider.com/bulletin/...nto-exclusive/

The chain seems to be in very rough shape all around. They're starting to look like Eaton's circa 1996 with all of the closures.

trueviking · #**416** Posted **Feb 24, 2022, 8:41 PM**

I always thought it was weird that they were so close together.

T'Cona · #**417** Posted **Feb 24, 2022, 10:50 PM**

It really is sad for sure. It was fun being younger and going to Eaton's, Sears, the Bay, K-Mart, Woolco, Zellers....

cslusarc · #**418** Posted **Feb 25, 2022, 7:23 AM**

The closure of Bloor & Yonge (store #1519) is not a surprise but if it is closing in 14 weeks, this store must have not received any new Spring 2022 fashions this month. I was expecting that Hudson's Bay would have transitioned this store to a clearance centre prior to its closure.

biguc · #**419** Posted **Feb 25, 2022, 11:53 AM**

A poster in the Canada section says The Bay at Yonge and Bloor closed so the TTC could rip it down and expand the subway station underneath.

DavefromSt.Vital · #**420** Posted **Feb 25, 2022, 7:42 PM**

The TTC project has nothing to do with the store at Yonge and Bloor closing. That project has been on the books for years. Closing the store and ripping down a good chunk of the complex (there are abandoned underground movie theatres, an office tower, etc.) will certainly make the TTC project easier, but that is not the impetus. I am sure that making the TTC project easier will loom large in the negotiations for rezoning the area for mega-condos after the TTC project is done.

As an aside, HBC has not spent any money at that location in years. While it is far closer to where I live I always bypass it on the way to the flagship store on Queen. It has mainly been used as a bargaining chip re: introducing American chains into Canada. After Saks opened on Queen and HBC sold the Queen store to CF to finally become part of the Eaton Centre, Yonge and Bloor lost its value as a retail location.