NEW YORK | Hudson Yards Phase 2 | 1,376 - 1,189 - 1,180 FT | 80/80/74 FLOORS

[NYguy]

Meanwhile, back on the other side, things continue to take shape…


JUNE 23, 2024

[NYguy]

Morons.



https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/10/n...son-yards.html

Supporters of the High Line Aim to Block Plan to Build a Casino Nearby
The nonprofit organization that steers the popular greenway attraction on Manhattan’s West Side says building a casino in Hudson Yards could harm parkgoers’ experience.


By Stefanos Chen
July 10, 2024

A plan to build a casino over a sprawling rail yard on Manhattan’s Far West Side has a new, formidable opponent: parkgoers.

Friends of the High Line, an influential nonprofit that operates the nearby 1.5-mile rail-line-turned-park, said Wednesday that it will muster supporters to attempt to thwart the development plan. The opponents of the casino proposal said the development would block views of the city from the High Line and create gusty winds and cast long shadows that could hurt local businesses.

The proposal, submitted in February, would also create a 1,180-foot apartment tower, a 1,376-foot office building, a public school and day care. The development, in Hudson Yards, is being led by Related Companies, which built the eastern half of the site, and Wynn Resorts, a Las Vegas gambling giant. The project could be completed by 2030.

But the biggest sticking point is a plan to build a podium as tall as 200 feet near the westernmost section of the High Line, on which the developers will build a casino and a skyscraper with 1,750 hotel rooms.

Alan van Capelle, the park group’s executive director, likened the over 200,000-square-foot, 20-story podium to six Costco warehouses stacked on top of each other.

“This will gravely endanger the High Line experience,” Mr. van Capelle said on a recent morning from a sunny strip of the park, where he says visitors could soon be staring at a wall instead of the city skyline.

A spokeswoman for Related said in a statement that the developer had met with the High Line group several times this year and had “made substantive changes to our plans in response to their concerns, after which they did not raise additional issues with us.” The revised plan will still include 5.6 acres of public green space and will generate thousands of union jobs, she said.
“It is now evident they simply do not want new development in their backyard, no matter the obvious economic, housing and community benefit it will bring,” she said.

But the concerns of the park could pale in comparison to the economic benefits of Related’s development plan, said Gary LaBarbera, the president of the Building and Construction Trades Council of Greater New York, which represents unionized construction workers.

“We’re talking about tens of thousands of construction and permanent jobs,” he said.

The developers’ desire to include a casino on the 13-acre site reflects how lucrative New York’s untapped gambling market could be. At least 11 bidders are vying to build a casino in the New York City area, and Related has made one of the most ambitious proposals, estimating that its project will cost $12 billion.

[NYguy]

https://commercialobserver.com/2024/...nies-chairman/

Stephen Ross Steps Down as Related Companies Chairman
He’s founded a new development firm in West Palm Beach


BY JULIA ECHIKSON
JULY 11, 2024

The leadership structure of Related Companies, the New York-based development firm best known for building the 27-acre Hudson Yards, remains intact. Ross’s longtime deputies — CEO Jeff Blau, President Bruce Beal Jr., and COO Kenneth Wong — are staying put in their roles.

[NYguy]

Meanwhile, the related actions necessary to allow the casino to be built are still taking shape. This one has to do with the changes at 33rd Street.

Also, some slight height adjusments...(Site A from 1,172 to 1,180 and Site B from 1,366 to 1,276).

[Busy Bee]

While we're on the topic of Javits, the conversation needs to be had that the redvelopment potential of that site could very well lead to a total reimagining in the next 20 years. I can see a new convention center on a podium with towers soaring above, but I can also see a scenario where a Sunnyside Yard convention center also gains steam, especially if transit connections are improved. Best case scenario in my book is BOTH. NYC is colossal and one convention center may be better suited for a certain type of event for a certain group of people and an equally large facility in LIC might be a better spot for another.

Either way, I predict proposals pitched regarding a Javits redevelopment to start within a decade. The land will just be too valuable to let a 1980s glass box sit there surrounded by billions of dollars in ultra dense commercial and residential development.

[DCReid]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

While we're on the topic of Javits, the conversation needs to be had that the redvelopment potential of that site could very well lead to a total reimagining in the next 20 years. I can see a new convention center on a podium with towers soaring above, but I can also see a scenario where a Sunnyside Yard convention center also gains steam, especially if transit connections are improved. Best case scenario in my book is BOTH. NYC is colossal and one convention center may be better suited for a certain type of event for a certain group of people and an equally large facility in LIC might be a better spot for another.

Either way, I predict proposals pitched regarding a Javits redevelopment to start within a decade. The land will just be too valuable to let a 1980s glass box sit there surrounded by billions of dollars in ultra dense commercial and residential development.

Yes, deck Javits with affordable housing above and maybe one or two office towers, and also develop a second convention center at Sunnyside, with affordable housing above it.

[NYguy]

The state just spent a lot of money on the Javits Center Expansion. It's not going anywhere anytime soon. As a matter of fact, I can send another expansion in about 10 years.

[Busy Bee]

Twenty years is a good definition of "not anytime soon". But I still predict talk will start regarding its future and I fully expect 20 years from now we will see efforts to build a satellite convention center at Sunnyside and/or a major redevelopment attempt that takes advantage of all the opportunities above Javits. I envision a convention center of its current size in a floating podium about 30' above street level with a reconnected grid to 9A running below. It would share a lot of characteristics with the PABT plan with towers above aligned with the street grid.

[Crawford]

I think Javits will be in Sunnyside within 15-20 years. The renovation was massively downsized and that land is far too valuable for a few annual conventions, which can be held anywhere. And a lot of the renovation was simple maintenance stuff like repairing the roof.

I'd guess the site would most likely end up as a defacto Hudson Yards Phase III. Big waterfront parcel adjacent to the previous phases. Related Companies is most likely to win the site.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Twenty years is a good definition of "not anytime soon". But I still predict talk will start regarding its future and I fully expect 20 years from now we will see efforts to build a satellite convention center at Sunnyside and/or a major redevelopment attempt that takes advantage of all the opportunities above Javits. I envision a convention center of its current size in a floating podium about 30' above street level with a reconnected grid to 9A running below. It would share a lot of characteristics with the PABT plan with towers above aligned with the street grid.

They have to get serious about Sunnyside. And when they do, they will take decades going back and forth over just what to do with it. That is, unless someone comes along and takes charge. A Robert Moses if you will. Meanwhile, the state doesn't want to take the convention center out of Manhattan because being in Manhattan is a huge draw. It's removed from much of what makes Manhattan an attractive place to visit, but it would be further removed placed in the middle of Sunnyside. I remember the proposal to build a completely new convention center at Aqueduct, that would have been paid for by Resorts World. But only if they got exclusive rights to the city's first casino. Any talk of a major convention center is removed from Resorts World's proposal for a casino license there now. All of the proposals feature some type of meeting space. Perhaps if there were some major landfill added along the shoreline, I could see a convention center being built there.

[skeena222]

Originally Posted by NYguy

They have to get serious about Sunnyside. And when they do, they will take decades going back and forth over just what to do with it. That is, unless someone comes along and takes charge. A Robert Moses if you will. Meanwhile, the state doesn't want to take the convention center out of Manhattan because being in Manhattan is a huge draw. It's removed from much of what makes Manhattan an attractive place to visit, but it would be further removed placed in the middle of Sunnyside. I remember the proposal to build a completely new convention center at Aqueduct, that would have been paid for by Resorts World. But only if they got exclusive rights to the city's first casino. Any talk of a major convention center is removed from Resorts World's proposal for a casino license there now. All of the proposals feature some type of meeting space. Perhaps if there were some major landfill added along the shoreline, I could see a convention center being built there.

While we're on Sunnyside, what that needs to be is sort of like some of these new economic centers we have seen pop up in places like lagos or singapore. Throw up the development platforms, pave the streets and provide some needed park space to the tune of cadman plaza. Don't be pretentious about it either. Deliver the needs.

[Busy Bee]

^ Most of the exposed rail cut is already built over north of 41 St and will eventually be totally covered. The plan for Abzug Park is to cover over the other two open sections from 37 to 39 St's and as far as I know create an elevated bridge sort of thing across the Lincoln Tunnel plaza to 40 St, though I don't see that depicted in the PABT planning docs but that doesn't really mean anything.

[Busy Bee]

“Now, they are proposing the same square footage but packed into three mega towers with ginormous podiums that swallow that entire area and close it off from the rest of Manhattan,”

What does this even mean? It's likely he can't even explain it.

[NYguy]

^ He can't. What he meant to say was "now the buildings are taller. Hudson Yards is supposed to be a lowrise district."

What a clown. The buildings were always going to be tall. Now they're taller, but there are fewer of them. Meanwhile, nobody is touching the High Line itself, same as before. Get that creep off the stage!

[Doubleu1117]

"rail yard preserve" lol, where do they find these people. Tell me how increased developed public space, increased green space, and increased access to the high line entrances is anything but a positive for the High Line.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Doubleu1117

"rail yard preserve" lol, where do they find these people. Tell me how increased developed public space, increased green space, and increased access to the high line entrances is anything but a positive for the High Line.

And that section of the High Line is not even the section people love about the High Line. The proposed complex will do no more harm or change in scale than the eastern yard does.

[ChiND]

The City should eliminate many lanes of traffic and landscape them dramatically. They should make it an area that people want to live in. This area has enormous potential.


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[mrnyc]

^ yeah thats an awful car sewer strip. it needs some lanes taken out and reconfigured for peds, bikes and busses. of course it will be very different when the western yards get built out, but it doesnt help that the already developed section completely turns it back. the open, but elevated section leading up to the vessel and mall from there is a very awkward afterthought.

[ChiND]

If Wynn/Related prevail, as they should, placing the SS United States across from the HY would be a great for everyone.

https://maritime-executive.com/artic...-united-states

[NYguy]

As those in charge continue to fumble the progress of New York casinos, Wynn gets it’s other supertall casino rising.


https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-new...or-development

The company is building a hotel and residential in the area. “Everyone is there in anticipation that RAK’s tourism will grow rapidly with the casino. It’s about the gaming, the shows, the hotels. You’re essentially bringing a mini-Vegas to Ras Al Khaimah.”

But lets keep wasting time on NIMBYs and fearmongers.