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Here are some renders I came across on the internet regarding a potential refurbishment of Oak Park off on Main Street in downtown. Looks very promising!









collabplan.ca/CollabPlan/recreation_spaces/Pages/oak_lane_park.html#0

It should be noted that I have absolutely no idea what the status of this project is, or if it has progressed anywhere beyond just the conceptual stage....
looks pretty nifty!
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2012, 11:19 PM
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Editorial from today's T&T
http://22864.vws.magma.ca/index.php?&article_id=10176

The incredible shrinking events centre
Wednesday, November 21, 2012
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We Say: Once-great vision crumbling into a dull, bureaucratic mediocrity

Now contemplating a downtown events centre with as few as 7,500 seats, it is clear Moncton City Council has either lost its way or is listening to bad advice.

Bear in mind the original concept was for 12,000 to 15,000 seats. The reason for having a facility larger and better than any other in the region is so we can compete with similar initiatives in other cities, particularly Halifax which already has a 10,000-seat centre.

Hockey games are only part of the picture. The real idea is to fill the facility as much as possible all year long, and to do that you have to attract the promoters of events that aim to draw big crowds from a large catchment area and thus, make more money than they would in smaller facilities.

It is patently ridiculous to build based on the local population. In 2005 the Magnetic Hill Music Festival drew 85,000 people with the Rolling Stones while the population of Metro Moncton is 125,000 (edit - actually a little over 140,000).

This council, no doubt misguided by senior staff, now seems to think the centre is based on the absurd notion that only Metro residents would be interested in attending events.

We fear this municipal government is just too timid to think about being the biggest and the best and wonder if we are witnessing a general degradation of the late Ian Fowler's overall vision. Bear in mind the upcoming Carrie Underwood show is going to Saint John, not Moncton. Here, an aging, unsightly Coliseum was evidently judged 'not good enough' by Ms. Underwood's staff, even though the Coliseum has more seats. Council has now reached the point where they are being urged to think so small, they might as well not bother at all.

We believe the original concept would have served as the perfect monument to the work and memory of Mr. Fowler. What is proposed now is in fact what he spent his career fighting against.

It can only stand as a monument to short-sighted parsimony.

Personal note - WHAT THEY SAID IN SPADES!!!

The incredible shrinking events centre would not be happening if Ian Fowler were still alive. Ian had the "vision thing". He knew what was possible, even if the intellectual pygmies around him thought it improbable:

- The Rolling Stones in Moncton - HA!, where would they play (well said Ian, we have this big empty field on the edge of town)
- A world track and field championship here in NB, impossible, we don't have the facilities (well said Ian, lets build a stadium).
- Regular season CFL games in Moncton, that's impossible (well said Ian, we have that new fancy stadium we just built for the track championships, it can seat 20,000 people, they can play there. Let me call Commissioner Cohon and see what he says).
- The World Cup of Soccer, in Moncton! give me a break! (Ian just smiles....)

You get the idea. NOTHING stopped Ian Fowler. Ian's successors in city hall however just don't seem to have the guts, the vision or the confidence to get the job done. I really miss Ian. The city is so much the lesser for his absence. Thankfully Mayor LeBlanc understands the importance of this project. Let's all hope that the minions at city hall aren't able to undermine him. The naysayers cannot be allowed to win on this issue. The events centre cannot be less than 9,000 seats and ideally should be 10,000 seats. This is too important for the future of the city for anything else to happen.

Ian must be spinning in his grave.........
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They are now working on the third floor of the "residence" building on Flanders Court, near Oulton College.

They have just installed curbing for the parking lot expansion at Oulton College as well. I think paving may be very close to happening. They have been very lucky with the weather this fall...
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The five point roundabout at Killam, Collishaw and Russ Howard Drive is a definite go for 2013.

The total cost will be $2.9M, and they have definitely decided that it will be a single lane roundabout rather than a double lane structure. They didn't think traffic demand warranted a second lane and they thought that two lanes would be confusing for the motoring public.
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The five point roundabout at Killam, Collishaw and Russ Howard Drive is a definite go for 2013.

The total cost will be $2.9M, and they have definitely decided that it will be a single lane roundabout rather than a double lane structure. They didn't think traffic demand warranted a second lane and they thought that two lanes would be confusing for the motoring public.
Great news! This is a long time coming, I used to live very near to there and getting to west main was a pain in the butt. This will allow using Russ Howard drive as another "cut through town" route.
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What Moncton council is perhaps beginning to understand is that building a arena and hosting events there, is not like events at magnetic hill. Each city in the Maritimes currently has arenas for events that are specifically for arenas. A U2 concert would never happen in an arena like Harbour Station, Moncton Coliseum or the Metro Centre. The arena Moncton gets will cater to Moncton only.
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No, I'm sure city council is realistic enough to understand that U2 would not play at the events centre, but there are a lot of medium sized concerts that would. We have had performers like Elton John, Shania Twain and Celine Dion at the coliseum, but the coliseum is now no longer competitive with Harbour Station and the Metro Centre in attracting performers such as this. The coliseum also can't attract performers like Cirque de Soleil because of it's low roof. Sporting events like the Brier would also take a pass on Moncton unless we had increased seating capacity. I've heard that the Canadian Curling Association demands a seating capacity of 10,000 from potential host cities. That's why we need to keep the seating capacity at the events centre as high as possible - to keep the venue as attractive as possible to as many performers and sporting events as possible.

People will travel from a distance for special events. I've certainly travelled to Halifax, Saint John and Charlottetown to do so. We know from experience that other Maritimers will travel to Moncton for the same. This is one of the reasons why our hotel occupancy rates are so good compared to other cities in the Maritimes.

Sports and events tourism is a growth industry and Moncton is well placed to take advantage of this. A new events centre is a necessary linch pin to support this and also to spur downtown development.
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What Moncton council is perhaps beginning to understand is that building a arena and hosting events there, is not like events at magnetic hill. Each city in the Maritimes currently has arenas for events that are specifically for arenas. A U2 concert would never happen in an arena like Harbour Station, Moncton Coliseum or the Metro Centre. The arena Moncton gets will cater to Moncton only.
...not quite sure what you're getting at with this post.

Moncton, nor any other city in Atlantic Canada, has the population to support building an indoor venue of the scale that a U2-sized act would play in.

Even after Moncton gets a new arena, the "big acts" will still continue playing Magnetic Hill... a new arena isn't going to change that.

What might change is the arena-sized acts may start considering Moncton as a viable option instead of opting to go to Saint John or Halifax, both of whom have modern, high ceiling facilities.

Take Lady Gaga's current stage for example - a stage that is probably at the upper limits of what you can fit into an arena. A stage of this size, plus rigging and lights, would never in a million years fit under the Coliseum roof:


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The City of Moncton's capital budget for 2013 includes a line item authorizing $500,000 to study options for a new Codiac RCMP police headquarters. One option would be to expand and renovate the current building. Alternatively, a new HQ could be built. If so, I would think the former provincial jail site next to the new law courts would be ideal.
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The City of Moncton's capital budget for 2013 includes a line item authorizing $500,000 to study options for a new Codiac RCMP police headquarters. One option would be to expand and renovate the current building. Alternatively, a new HQ could be built. If so, I would think the former provincial jail site next to the new law courts would be ideal.


Agreed! Perfect place...connect it to the court house and it would be the perfect law enforcement center (only thing that would have made it better would have been to keep the Moncton Jail 'in' Moncton, but I digress... ).
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So, the buses will be up and running again soon! Great for Moncton.
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'Glass Tower' to get a major facelift
Thursday, November 29, 2012
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By: Alan Cochrane

Renovations to former CN Terminal building include new energyefficiency external walls, heating and electrical systems

With its 50th birthday just around the corner, downtown Moncton's 'Glass Tower' building at 1234 Main St. is about to undergo a major facelift into an energy-efficient office building and a beacon for future development.

'Work will begin immediately. We've already upgraded the boiler units and just awarded the contract for the new external curtain wall system of the building,' Jeff Yerxa, leasing manager for building owner Crombie REIT said Wednesday. Renovations are expected to be complete with the building ready for re-occupancy by Oct. 15, 2013.

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definitely not "new" news, as we have been aware of this for about 6 months, but this article fleshes out details about the project.
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So, it appears that the new Maritime Bus service has entered into an arrangement with VIA Rail and will be using their train stations in Halifax, Truro and Moncton as their main bus terminals (including ticketing etc,)

This seems like a good idea. With the rail service reduced to three days per week, the train stations seemed almost abandoned. In addition to allowing bus passengers to transfer seamlessly to the (remaining) trains, this move also breathes new life into the train stations as well.

I don't know the full bus schedule yet, but it sounds as if there will be well over a dozen arrivals and departures from the station every day (5 each to and from Fredericton and Halifax alone, let alone other busses to Charlottetown, Miramichi and Saint John). The waiting room at the train station should feel alive again (like I remember it when I was a kid).

The city is reconfiguring the Codiac Transit routes too. Perhaps it would make sense to include a transit stop at the VIA station in order to allow for transfers to/from Maritime Bus and VIA Rail. The old train station then could be a real transportation hub again.....
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I don't know the full bus schedule yet, but it sounds as if there will be well over a dozen arrivals and departures from the station every day (5 each to and from Fredericton and Halifax alone, let alone other busses to Charlottetown, Miramichi and Saint John).
Here is the full route map and schedules...

http://www.maritimebus.com/en/schedules-routes.asp

There's a reason Moncton is called The Hub City
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Yes, the "Hub City" indeed. All bus routes lead to greater Moncton.



Also note that there are separate route stops for both Halifax Stanfield and the GMIA. A bus stop at the airport will be great for out of town flyers!

Edit - I just noted there is a route stop at the Fredericton Airport too.
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Letter of the Day from the editorial section of the T&T today, from Marc Chouinard, the general manager of the Capitol Theatre in downtown Moncton, regarding the "Incredible Shrinking Events Centre"......

Letter of the day: If Metro's no 'mini city,' why a 'mini centre?'

Friday, November 30, 2012
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To The Editor : The project to build a new downtown multi purpose metro centre in Moncton is rapidly moving ahead, and that's a good thing. With a first public request for qualifications, City Council will get some indications of the eventual scope of the project. Though seemingly shrinking in size, the centre looms large in the media and in the public forum.

There will always be those who believe we cannot afford to invest in public facilities; like those in the early 1990s who thought that 811 Main St. would make an excellent location for more surface parking. Thankfully, visionaries of the day found a way and the money to restore what is now lauded as the jewel of the community and an anchor in growing the creative industries cluster in Metro Moncton.

Live performing arts sell twice as many tickets as live sports in Canada. That's where the money is. So think major international touring acts, not just junior hockey and Canadian basketball when planning the centre. In February 2011, Statistics Canada's survey of household spending indicated that in 2008 there was a 49 per cent increase in performing arts spending in the previous seven years; $1.4 billion, more than double the spending on live sports ($.65 billion). In 2008, 37 per cent of all Canadian households spent money on live performing arts and 17 per cent on live sports events.

Moncton's target audience is close to 1.5 million people within a three-hour drive. With the recent information supplied by tourism consultant Rod Cunningham on the tourism growth here, it is clear that our entertainment strategy has been successful! Thirty-five percent more hotel rooms have been constructed in the last decade in the region, compared with a four per cent increase throughout the rest of the Maritimes.

We have the opportunity to be a natural stop for all mid-range touring artists who travel along the east coast from New York and Boston to Montréal and out west. Moncton could easily be added as a stop to those tours if we have the right venue.

Now, 9,000 fixed seats and another 1,200 seats on the floor (or 2,500 standing) would be an interesting proposition for tour producers. However, with a big concert you might lose up a third of that space with the stage. To get promoters interested, you're going to need 10,000 to 12,000 seats available for a show so they can make some money.

Halifax isn't typically as appealing as a tour destination as its geographical location is cost-prohibitive on a crosscountry tour. Performing in Moncton saves six hours on the road and hundreds of kilometres. Listen to the industry professionals who are advising Moncton to not think small. The plan must include facilities for major touring acts, not just sports teams.

Please, no mini metro centre. We are not a mini city. Let's move away from the incredible shrinking centre and build a complex that will help us to be the entertainment hub of Atlantic Canada 365 days a year. We deserve a professional metro centre.

Here downtown. OK, là!

Marc Chouinard, GM, Capitol Theatre

Personal note - Marc Chouinard, like Ian Fowler "gets it". If you aren't going to build the events centre right, then you might as well not bother at all. In other words, think big or stay home.
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The redone Dominion Public Building on Main St finally unveilled!!



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The five point roundabout at Killam, Collishaw and Russ Howard Drive is a definite go for 2013.

The total cost will be $2.9M, and they have definitely decided that it will be a single lane roundabout rather than a double lane structure. They didn't think traffic demand warranted a second lane and they thought that two lanes would be confusing for the motoring public.
This is an image of the planned roundabout on Killam



Apparently they anticipate construction to be complete in November 2013
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So the roundabout is hooking into Russ Howard Drive? Awesome.
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