noirish Los Angeles

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

Barney's Beanery tomorrow?
...ugh...

Too much ghastly news this week. History is either trashed or used as some cute gimmick for new development. I must be getting too old, because I've reached my limit and then some.

[HossC]

Originally Posted by Paul C. Koehler

Post 11195 of 12/28/12 The PE buss in at the Macy Street yard. On the East side of Mission Road.

To save everyone scrolling back to 2012, here's the mystery location that Paul C. Koehler's identifying. We also discussed the PE building in 2014 - my post #23193 includes several maps/aerial photos.

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

mystery location (to me anyway)


http://www.yenko.net/

[GaylordWilshire]

Originally Posted by tovangar2

Too much ghastly news this week. History is either trashed or used as some cute gimmick for new development. I must be getting too old, because I've reached my limit and then some.

Maybe so. What exactly is it that you want? No redevelopment at all, even when a 1924 building is to be preserved?



LAT Feb 10, 1924



GSV

[ethereal_reality]

Congratulations Earl Boebert and CityBoyDoug! -fantastic sleuthing.
you two.

flipped

magnum_

and all because of that arm on the turntable.



Mudhoney [1965]

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[tovangar2]

Yes, delightful. I thought I'd really looked at that image, but I never saw that detail.

[ethereal_reality]

I dismissed it and called it a 'thingy'.

[Earl Boebert]

As I said in my first post, I think the turntable is a piece of studio gear, not a portable record player. And the object on the table looks like a single-tube amplifier (you can see a wire trailing off it to the right). It is possible that Erwitt was an early audiophile. Again, mood music for whoever was reclining on that well-lit cot? :-)

Cheers,

Earl

[ethereal_reality]

these two again.

Originally Posted by HossC

A little more digging found all the advertised businesses at 1717 N Vine Street in the 1956 CD. From the sign we have the Arthur Murray School of Dancing, Vy Barry Employment Agency, Equitable Credit Inc, Gene Byram Studio and the Cinema Arts School of Music. Seymour's Jewelry Co was technically at 1717½ N Vine Street. The site, just north of Hollywood Boulevard, is now home to The Redbury Hollywood.

So the women were standing about here, right Hoss?

gsv






and in the 1940s....

old file /

I thought the two women were probably down on Wilshire Blvd.

I would love to have seen Hollywood when it was tasteful and classy.

[Paul C. Koehler]

HossC

Thanks for posting the picture allong with my comments. I still havent figured out how to respond to a picture and include.

Paul

[HossC]

Send me a PM, Paul - I'll talk you through it.


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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

So the women were standing about here, right Hoss?

gsv

I think it was actually the lower left corner of this building, former home to a post office, Woodbury College, Ontra Cafeteria and Airport Ground School among others. The demo permit appears to have been issued in 1990.


hollywoodphotographs.com

See also post #17929.

[ethereal_reality]

oops. so they're in front of a building that was torn down. . I appreciate hthe correction/

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert

Mood music for whoever was reclining on that well-lit cot? :-)

That's what I envision too Earl but I just found out Elliott Erwitt was only 18 years old when he took the empty room pic.
I'm thinking that might be a bit too young for a 'nudies' photographer.

[in 1941, after his parents separated, Erwitt moved to Los Angeles with his father]

And there's this....

[When Erwitt was just 16 years old, however, his father moved to New Orleans, leaving Erwitt on his own.
He continued to attend high school and began teaching himself photography."]

After reading that I definitely think the empty room is where Elliott was living at the time.
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Here is another photograph by Elliott Erwitt.

"Hollywood, California, 1956"


Elliott Erwitt via http://onlyoldphotography.tumblr.com/image/41794862724

Erwitt biographical information from:
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Elliott-Erwitt

[ethereal_reality]

I could be wrong, but I don't believe this intriguing photograph has been posted on NLA. ( partially because it's mislabeled in the USC archive)

"View of Sunset Boulevard from the roof of the Chamber of Commerce building, [s.d.]"


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/21455/rec/3

"At center, a large street spans from left to right, annexed by smaller streets or alleys in the foreground, at perpendicular angles.
Farther in the distance, the tallest building in the view can be seen, topped by a small rotunda.; Legible signs from left to right include:
"Beverly Hotel", "S.G. Steppers", "Prince Albert", "Safeway Tire Stores", "Caterpillar Tires", "Elzee Motor Co. Used Cars", "Iris Apartments",
"California Fireproof Storage Company", and "Moss Photographer"."

We see two buildings, the Beverly Hotel & the Iris Apartments, that were included in Flyingwedge's recent Olive Street post.


The Beverly Hotel looks especially noirish with it's vertical neon sign out front.


detail


The Iris Apartments is barely visible in the extreme lower right corner.

I lightened it a bit.

detail

[ScottyB]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

"James DeBarth Shorb and family, San Marino house."



http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...id/6066/rec/21

"James De Barth Shorb is sitting next to the steps to the porch. An older woman, probably his wife, is sitting on the other side of the steps, between a young daughter and son (both look like they're between seven and twelve). Two young woman, probably also daughters, are on the steps, and one child of indeterminate sex, around four to six, is on the steps between them." -James DeBarth eventually had 11 children.

Thanks for the James DeBarth Shorb post ER.....fascinating family, and my area of interest as well as my old stomping/skateboarding grounds. Many great history stories in the neighborhood. I'll try and put a post together of some of it.



HDL

[Flyingwedge]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I could be wrong, but I don't believe this intriguing photograph has been posted on NLA. ( partially because it's mislabeled in the USC archive)

"View of Sunset Boulevard from the roof of the Chamber of Commerce building, [s.d.]"


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/21455/rec/3

"At center, a large street spans from left to right, annexed by smaller streets or alleys in the foreground, at perpendicular angles.
Farther in the distance, the tallest building in the view can be seen, topped by a small rotunda.; Legible signs from left to right include:
"Beverly Hotel", "S.G. Steppers", "Prince Albert", "Safeway Tire Stores", "Caterpillar Tires", "Elzee Motor Co. Used Cars", "Iris Apartments",
"California Fireproof Storage Company", and "Moss Photographer"."

We see two buildings, the Beverly Hotel & the Iris Apartments, that were seen in Flyingwedge's recent Olive Street post.

Hey, nice work e_r! I'm sure the folks at USCDL would appreciate the correction.

The tall building just to the right of center in your photo is the California Hospital at 1414 S. Hope Street:



00064835 at LAPL


The hospital building (town down in 2000) and the tall building to its left in your photo, Patriotic Hall,
both opened in 1926. I can't identify the tall building to the right of the hospital.

[ScottyB]

Took wife and kids to a play at 24th St Theater for Mother's Day, and across the street was this theater.



me


We wandered in and found a most interesting place, run by the Velaslavasay Panorama Enthusiasts.
I haven't been able to find any early pics of the building, built in 1921 per Cinema Treasures:
Built on the site and opened in 1921 as the Fairyland Theatre. It became the Union Square Theatre by 1929. In 1935 it became a live theatre named the Louise Glaum Little Theatre. By 1938 it had been renamed Continental Theatre and by 1942 it was the Union Theatre. Closed by 1956 when it became a union hall.

It lay empty for several years, until it was purchased by, and re-opened as the Velaslavasay Panorama in June 2005.

Anybody know anything more?

Quite a few interesting old houses on the block, BTW.

[Paul C. Koehler]

Message 13162 of 3/12/13 posted by Tovancar2 at LAUPT. I don't think the ladie is talking with a porter or red cap, she is talking with a service man probaly an officer.

Paul C. Koehler

[Paul C. Koehler]

Posting 13191 of 3/12/13 by Procab of Figuroa looking north. If you look the left northbound land is on the wrong side of the double lines, note also the traffic cones to the left of that lane. This was done during comute time to help traffic flow.

Paul C. Koehler

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by ScottyB

...by 1942 it was the Union Theatre.
Anybody know anything more?

Los Angeles Movie Palaces has an updated page on the Union Theater


The building permit says architect Frank L Stiff designed the "moving picture theater" for Union Square Investment Company in 1910.

Before construction commenced, a preexisting house was relocated from No. 1122 W 24th to 1437 W 36th St where it remains (unfortunately stuccoed).




ladbs


BTW, The 24th Street Theater was built in 1920 as, as you might have guessed, a public garage.

I agree, the homes around there are nice, mostly from last century's aughts.

[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I could be wrong, but I don't believe this intriguing photograph has been posted on NLA. ( partially because it's mislabeled in the USC archive)

"View of Sunset Boulevard from the roof of the Chamber of Commerce building, [s.d.]"


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/21455/rec/3

"At center, a large street spans from left to right, annexed by smaller streets or alleys in the foreground, at perpendicular angles.
Farther in the distance, the tallest building in the view can be seen, topped by a small rotunda.; Legible signs from left to right include:
"Beverly Hotel", "S.G. Steppers", "Prince Albert", "Safeway Tire Stores", "Caterpillar Tires", "Elzee Motor Co. Used Cars", "Iris Apartments",
"California Fireproof Storage Company", and "Moss Photographer"."

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

Hey, nice work e_r! I'm sure the folks at USCDL would appreciate the correction.

The tall building just to the right of center in your photo is the California Hospital at 1414 S. Hope Street.

The hospital building (town down in 2000) and the tall building to its left in your photo, Patriotic Hall,
both opened in 1926. I can't identify the tall building to the right of the hospital.

I think "the tall building to the right of the hospital" is/was the California Medical Building at 1401 S Hope Street, seen here in 1961.


USC Digital Library

The building is still there, now repurposed as Villa De La Esperanza, an assisted living facility.


GSV

Has anyone contacted USC to correct the original caption?

[Flyingwedge]

Thanks, Hoss. I like the low brick wall around the parking lot.

This view of 1401 S. Hope was taken on August 4, 1965:



00073855 at LAPL