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Old Posted May 26, 2015, 5:39 PM
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Fronting on Tennyson I would tend to agree, ground floor retail should be required. We do not need retail in every project citywide, but we should require it in the right places, and this is one of those.
     
     
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Old Posted May 26, 2015, 6:21 PM
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I guess I'm struggling to keep up with the times.

I'm still bemused by the affair with micro-units. While I didn't bother to get out my slide-ruler to run any numbers, I've always understood that the pricier part of apartment construction was baths and kitchens, then doors, windows and electrical. Basic floor and wall space comes pretty cheap.

There's another Burl Rolett article dated March 9 about another ~50 unit apartment planned right across the street from Elitch Lanes (RIP) by Riverpoint Partners.
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The apartments will be a little larger than typical units in the area, Davis said. “The smaller floor plans are attractive to millennials and people who want to move quite often,” he said. “People turn over a studio unit more. Maybe with the two- and three-bedrooms, you have a little more longevity; people may stay longer, which helps with turnover cost on the operations side.”
I though, Yeah, the turnover costs for those units must be very high - comparatively. They're probably mostly just glorified hotel rooms. Which got me to wondering....

What is the average size of a hotel room? Where upon I found the most delightful piece at "Loyalty Traveler" by Ric Garrido
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The average hotel room size in the US is about 325 square feet according to Bjorn Hanson in a Kitty Bean Yancey article three years ago in USAToday.Jun 10, 2009.

I have stayed in hundreds of hotel rooms. Last week I stayed in a 325 square feet room at the Westin Westminster in Colorado.
Ric goes on to describe, including pictures, various hotel rooms from Amsterdam to Singapore to Sidney.

In any case Tennyson Street is surely changing. Nothing like the good ole days back in the mid to late 1990's. /sigh
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Old Posted May 26, 2015, 7:01 PM
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Dang it.. still.. add some retail.
Have you all been to Tennyson recently? It's exploding with growth and there is plenty of ground floor retail to go around.
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Old Posted May 26, 2015, 7:02 PM
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Equally super-cereal question: Why don't you care enough?
I'm guessing there was some sarcasm in his question. Because ya know everything in Denver is stick built...so why not build a stick built 40 some odd story tower.
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Old Posted May 26, 2015, 7:19 PM
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I'm guessing there was some sarcasm in his question. Because ya know everything in Denver is stick built...so why not build a stick built 40 some odd story tower.
That awkward moment when everyone is taking everyone else's sarcasm super cereal...
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Old Posted May 26, 2015, 7:20 PM
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I'm guessing there was some sarcasm in his question. Because ya know everything in Denver is stick built...so why not build a stick built 40 some odd story tower.

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Old Posted May 26, 2015, 7:34 PM
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Equally super-cereal question: Why don't you care enough?
Thanks for your very articulate explanation.

Which reminds me....

I recently read in the Birmingham Business Journal about how there local economy is being negatively impacted by the recession in the coal and steel industries. Coal has been negatively impacted by the utilities ongoing changeover over to NatGas from coal. Additionally they have been affected by the slowdown in China and the rising value of the dollar. The higher dollar has made their exports less competitive compared with Canada and Australia. The domestic price for coal is now one-third of what it was a few years ago.

China, along with the U.S., has significant impact on the global economy. China finally decided they had enough empty towers and have stopped a lot of the construction.
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I was in Beijing last week and dystopian doesn't begin to describe it. I've ragged on Phoenix for so long that it was nice surprise to discover a city that makes Phoenix look wonderful. Beijing has significant historical and economic assets, but the felt experience is very dreary - thousand upon thousands of new 35-story condo towers sitting empty. Cranes everywhere but not moving over their stalled projects. Horrendous traffic snarls. Countless apartment buildings from the 1980s and 90s that look worse than anything you see in American public housing projects. Pollution at levels that would be a scandal in any 1st-world nation.

China is trying to leapfrog into the 21st century any way it can. This points out why zoning, environmental regulations, and planning are important.
China had ramped up their steel industry exponentially over the years. They now have waaay too much steel. They're reluctant to cut back steel production too much because it provides good jobs for their people. Chinese steel is now flooding the global market place.

Even though the cost of coke, an important component in making both iron ore and steel has dropped by half in the last 18 months, domestic steel producers are still having trouble competing with imports. Additionally demand has dropped because oil & gas drilling used a lot of steel piping, etc.

So if the imported steel that goes into all those fancy new high rises causes the building to tilt in a few years... you'll know why. So far as any guarantees, just try collecting on those.

Also worth noting is that the dollar's high value will be impacting domestic exporters who had grown nicely in recent years.

There is a lot of wobbliness in the global economy although no apparent distress as yet.

There are trade-offs of course with cheaper materials costs and lower gas prices. My guess is that global nervousness is driving a lot of capital into the states. You might recall that three of the first Union Station buildings were sold to foreign all-cash buyers.

seventwenty... Just stuff I assume you wanted to know.
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Old Posted May 26, 2015, 8:04 PM
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You guys wanna know how big 1144 15th is going to look u/c? Here you go! Too bad this puppy has 33 more floors to go
Help me out; so does that make that building about 59 stories?

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The only reason why I care is because 1401's concrete parking garage is taking freaking forever, and steel is pretty much instant gratification.
I'm still partial to concrete. It's rock solid. I mean it has to be, right?

seventwenty... Yeah, that's a delightful photo of the old Stapleton Airport. Thanks.

lumos... Love the photos, especially Amersham.
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Old Posted May 26, 2015, 8:06 PM
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Have you all been to Tennyson recently? It's exploding with growth and there is plenty of ground floor retail to go around.
Isn't that the point? There is never enough retail, and allowing things to be built without it means lost opportunities down the road. What happens in five years when there is no space left for new and exciting things?
     
     
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Awesome pictures. Information on the new Central Denver Recreation Center at Colfax & Josephine along with renderings. It's treatment of the corner of Colfax & Josephine is not so good.

http://www.congressparkneighbors.org/2015/05/14/update-on-central-denver-rec-center/#more-2463
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Old Posted May 26, 2015, 9:28 PM
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Help me out; so does that make that building about 59 stories?
The building I took a photo of is going to be 73-stories tall. The core is up to 40-stories which is going to be the final occupied floor height of 1144 15th Street. Comparing it to the elevations of other buildings nearby, it's right at about 600 feet in that picture.
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Isn't that the point? There is never enough retail, and allowing things to be built without it means lost opportunities down the road. What happens in five years when there is no space left for new and exciting things?
We've had this argument many times before. Not every project requires retail. I'm sure the developer did their own ROI to see if retail would be viable. Unfortunately, I am not the developer so I can't tell you why they chose not to do retail in this project. They did in their other project on 38th. There are plenty of other opportunities on Tennyson. For the most part, Tennyson is doing very well, but there are infill opportunities all over where retail can be added in the future.
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The building I took a photo of is going to be 73-stories tall. The core is up to 40-stories which is going to be the final occupied floor height of 1144 15th Street. Comparing it to the elevations of other buildings nearby, it's right at about 600 feet in that picture.
I dont think it's gonna break ground.
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Ryan's air superiority is facing its greatest threat.
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Ryan's air superiority is facing its greatest threat.
Ryan, like many great powers before him, has grown complacent and distracted in the face of wealth and women. Alas, the tree of forum power must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of inebriated skyscraper nerds.
     
     
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Ryan is producing art whilst I am merely recording events. I think he is secure in his position.
     
     
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Old Posted May 27, 2015, 3:42 AM
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Fronting on Tennyson I would tend to agree, ground floor retail should be required. We do not need retail in every project citywide, but we should require it in the right places, and this is one of those.
There is a retail component to this project. Granted it is not the entire ground floor but it looks to be around 50% of ground floor facing Tennyson From the developer's website:
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The design features main floor retail space fronting on the corner of 39th and Tennyson with 78 Class A apartments on the all five floors
Source:http://www.allanteproperties.com/tennyson-place.html
     
     
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Cause you are an idiot.

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Old Posted May 27, 2015, 4:56 AM
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I own a retail store and looked into opening a site on Tennyson recently. Starting around $35/sft before 3NET. Ouch... that's pricey. The only people making money at those rates are commercial property owners. If you ever wonder why there isn't a better selection of retail options, you can blame basic overhead costs that have skyrocketed.
     
     
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