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Old Posted Mar 5, 2018, 11:33 PM
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Barton near Victoria is changing fast
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2018, 2:52 AM
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The day that barton and canon st can be seen with the same level of respect that locke and ottawa st are, will be the day that hamilton can be considered "turned around" imo..
Locke from Hunter to Herkimer = 0.5km
Barton from James to Elgin = 0.55m
Cannon from Bay to Hughson = 0.55m

Ottawa from Main to Barton = 1.0km
Barton from James to Victoria = 1.1km
Cannon from Bay to Ferguson = 1.1km

Locke from Aberdeen to Barton = 2.1km
Ottawa from Lawrence to Burlington = 3.2km
Cannon from Bay to Ottawa = 4.7km
Cannon from Queen to Kenilworth = 6.0km
Barton from James to Centennial = 9.1km
Barton from Locke to Fifty = 21.2km

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And they sure have their work cut out for them in that regard.
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2018, 2:11 PM
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neighbourhood groups that originally got the city to shrink building heights downtown are continuing to push back and aiming for even lower heights after the city basically catered the entire plan around them. We'll look like Brantford by the time city hall is done appeasing the NIMBYs

Friends of the Gore FB page is the latest example.....
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neighbourhood groups that originally got the city to shrink building heights downtown are continuing to push back and aiming for even lower heights after the city basically catered the entire plan around them. We'll look like Brantford by the time city hall is done appeasing the NIMBYs

Friends of the Gore FB page is the latest example.....
I just quickly reviewed the city's PDFs on towers and height restrictions. For me, it all boils down to this: why have restrictions at all?

Regardless, what do you recommend we do? Write to the councillors and mayor to express dismay at the absurd development-stunting restrictions?
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2018, 7:30 PM
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I just quickly reviewed the city's PDFs on towers and height restrictions. For me, it all boils down to this: why have restrictions at all?

Regardless, what do you recommend we do? Write to the councillors and mayor to express dismay at the absurd development-stunting restrictions?
Definitely write to them in general. Write to the city planning department when there is an over-30 building in public consultation phase. Vote out those who are supporting the DSP for its height restrictions.
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2018, 11:27 PM
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Via City of Hamilton:

Thank you for your comments on the Draft Downtown Hamilton Secondary Plan, Zoning By-law, and Tall Buildings Study and Guidelines that were released in October, 2017. After receiving a number of comments relating to the draft documents, staff are working to make final revisions to the Plan.

When you can review the revised documents
The revised documents will be presented to Planning Committee on April 17, 2018.

The documents will be available for public review on Monday March 19, 2018.
Prefer to review in person? All documents will be available for viewing at City Hall, 71 Main Street West, Hamilton, 5th Floor after March 19, 2018.

Next opportunity to comment
If you wish to make submissions, forward them to Ida Bedioui, Planning Co-ordinator for inclusion in the Agenda for the April 17, 2018 Public Meeting:

The documents will be available for public review on Monday March 19, 2018.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2018, 12:40 AM
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Yes, it's important to email the mayor/councillors, Jason Thorne and whatever email they provide when the next set of drafts comes out.

Based on what I've been told, the new draft still keeps the height restrictions downtown, but now it shrinks the available land for tall buildings. Instead of roughly consisting of Hunter/Wellington/Cannon/Bay, they're shrinking it with low rise only around the periphery of that small core area...for example north of Wilson etc. The neighbourhood NIMBYs are running the asylum
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2018, 7:58 AM
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Luckily, the city is going to have to try and justify this with the Places to Grow Act and I don't see this nonsense standing up to scrutiny if it goes to provincial review.

If by some chance it gets passed then the city might as well just hang the closed for business sign out. No legitimate developer is going to even look at this city. This is the same crap that killed development in this city for 30 years.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2018, 1:31 PM
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well, before we get to that point, this needs to pass at city hall.
It's imperative that business folks, business owners, residents etc. send their thoughts to council, and send their correspondence on the record for that council meeting where this is brought to the table.
you know all the activists who want to wall off the downtown from new development will be camped out at city hall all day during that meeting. Whether you can make it or not, it's vital to get correspondence in.
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Places to Grow Act is all we can hope for. They pulled it with Burlington lets hope they do it for Hamilton too. Which downtown is supposed to be a mega-cluster, of high-rises, density, and transit within the urban beltway.
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Ugh. And people wonder why I'm not a fan of the low rise new police building on the south side of Wilson.
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Bus shelters return to Hamilton GO Centre, now the express-line style.



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That's nice and all, but it has been 10 years since the City received its QuickWins infrastructure funding from Metrolinx, and almost 5 since council approved spending on A & B line passenger amenities... and the stops with the heaviest passenger volumes are still neglected.
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2018, 7:50 PM
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That's nice and all, but it has been 10 years since the City received its QuickWins infrastructure funding from Metrolinx, and almost 5 since council approved spending on A & B line passenger amenities... and the stops with the heaviest passenger volumes are still neglected.
Completely agree. Things that should take our city a year take 5-10, particularly on transit.
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Revised downtown Hamilton plan proposes new rules for height, density and heritage
The proposed guidelines including height allowances will go to planning committee next month

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...plan-1.4582914

A new downtown development strategy sees the core built up with more high-rise buildings but uses the escarpment as a test of when high is too high.

Today the city released the final version of its Downtown Hamilton Secondary Plan — which contains the goals, actions, policies and implementation of the direction for downtown Hamilton. It goes to the planning committee next month.

Respecting design and heritage, general land use policies, diversity of housing and building heights are just a few of the various elements to be included in the city's future.

The area for the plan is confined by Cannon Street to the north, Wellington Street to the east, Hunter Street to the South and Queen Street to the west.

Parts of the Beasley, Central, Corktown and Durand neighbourhoods are included in the plan.

The proposal identifies opportunities for various building types and more specifically, the height of buildings with an agenda to maintain natural vistas, but with an allowance for mutli-storey buildings throughout the core.

Today's version has been revised from the plan released in October.

Chief planner and director of planning for the city, Steve Robichaud, says three major changes have been made after a host of consultations with community members like property owners, tenants, residents, business owners and developers.

"We spent a lot of time talking to people and we've been listening," said Robichaud.

Robichaud says generally there was feedback around housing, heritage and building heights.

Building up

The October version had three height categories, now there are six.

No building height within the downtown area shall be greater than the height of the top of the Escarpment as measured between Queen Street and Victoria Avenue.

All development downtown will have to be a minimum of two storeys, except for land identified as pedestrian focus streets, which will have to be a minimum of three storeys.

"In October people saw because they looked on the map, and they said look how much of the downtown is identified for 30 storeys. That wasn't correct because then you had to read that map in conjunction with the policies that said no structure should be taller than the Escarpment and then the zoning provided further clarification as to what that maximum height would be," said Robichaud.

Robichaud says the new plan provides more clarification about what the height permissions are.

He says there was a general policy in the old plan that said that if you did a sun shadow study and a wind study, the sky was the limit for height, but the new plan says that if you're looking to increase height beyond what's permitted on the new height schedule, you will need to go through a full planning process that could involve an official plan amendment and a re-zoning.

Shawn Selway, spokesperson for People's Plan for Downtown Hamilton — a group advocating for a better plan with a focus on affordability and sustainability, says that height isn't the main cause for concern. It's about the need for further guidelines to determine what the building would actually be like.

"In the same way that the city has provided tall building guidelines, which govern the built form of new development that's expected, we think it would be a good idea if we had sustainability and accessibility guidelines, which would also come into play when development applications are being made," said Selway.

Height permissions

The city may authorize increases in the height of a proposed development beyond those permitted in the zoning bylaw, in return for the provision of community benefits. Those benefits can earn a developer what is called height or density bonusing.

The Escapement maximum still applies, as does the requirement for the building to be compatible with the surrounding area.

Community benefits considered appropriate for increased height are limited to rental and affordable housing, community facilities and services, child care facilities, cultural facilities, protection of cultural heritage resources and transit station improvements.

Heritage

When it comes to protecting the city's heritage, the plan now goes further according to Robichaud.

The secondary plan identifies cultural heritage landscapes such as the Gore says Robichaud.

"We're limiting the current permissions in those areas to six storeys, saying you can increase the height provided you submit the necessary heritage studies. You can't demolish the building and you have to submit a cultural heritage study that shows how those heritage buildings are going to be re-used or incorporated into the new development," said Robichaud.

Protecting rental units

Affordable housing is a hot topic in Hamilton — something Selways says should still be the main focus.

"The primary problem that we have at the moment is affordability of housing," said Selway.

"The point is, what exactly is in it for the rest of us who are living here in the city and more broadly for the citizens of Hamilton?"

The new plan says that for every demolition or redevelopment of a building containing rental units, they have to be replaced.

"If you were looking at demolishing a building that had six or more rental units you had to replace those housing units. We've gone further to say, three or more housing units in the zoning bylaw and you have to provide for that housing within that redevelopment," said Robichaud.

A public open house for people to talk with staff and learn about the proposed downtown plan will be held early next month.
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2018, 12:53 AM
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Wow....red tape galore. NIMBYs are in charge folks.... take your investment to another city if you ever have a hope of paying a somewhat normal tax rate.
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Wow....red tape galore. NIMBYs are in charge folks.... take your investment to another city if you ever have a hope of paying a somewhat normal tax rate.
While I would have preferred a 40 storey limit, these guidelines aren't that bad. Remember that the height guidelines are more to be used as a bargaining chip toward community benefits.

Is there anything besides the height element that you disagree with in particular?
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2018, 6:23 AM
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Wow....red tape galore. NIMBYs are in charge folks.... take your investment to another city if you ever have a hope of paying a somewhat normal tax rate.
That's exactly what happened back in the 70's when the city tried to impose similar rules. We had 40 years of nothing as a result and now they are trying to do it again. These morons in the planning department haven't learned from the mistakes of the past. If people want an example of stupid planning rules blocking development just look at York Blvd. They imposed so many requirements on development that developers just walked away and we have what is there today, basically nothing.


On another note what is this stupid fetish with the escarpment and not being able to build higher than it. It is totally irrational and without merit. They are going to be allowed to build as high as the escarpment blocking the view from the lower city but then for some reason they think people are going to be able to see through those buildings to get views of the harbour from the eascarpment.
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