Stadiums & Arenas of Canada, Part 3 - Page 206

esquire · #**4101** Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 2:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by isaidso

Of course it's bad. It 100% eliminates the option that this stadium can ever expand as the fan base grows. It's mind boggling how many stadia in this county are built with absolutely zero thought to future needs. BMO Field, Universite Laval are just 2 examples of many. Looks like this will be yet another one but at least here it's outside forces at play.

It looks like there's still room to grow, even if it's somewhat marginal. Maybe bump capacity to 10K or something like that. I would imagine that if it were ever a need to get much bigger than that, they'd have had to look at building something completely new anyway since that site never looked capable of handling something huge like 30K+.

But I do take your point about Canadian stadiums often being built in a way that precludes significant expansion.

Acajack · #**4102** Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 2:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by wave46

It depends, I guess.

I think there's something to be said for timeless names, whereas changing the name of a place every few years to whatever corporate sponsor du jour erodes the value of that. This is particularly notable in marginal markets where the corporate sponsor changes every few years.

Rogers and Scotiabank also suffer from having multiple different venues in the same country, so unless there's a unique identifier (ex. Scotiabank Saddledome) nobody remembers it. It is Rogers Arena? Rogers Centre? Rogers Place? I mean, I guess I get the corporate ethos behind obliterating names like Skydome, but I still don't like it much.

It also depends on the length of time something was named what it was. Skydome and the ACC were named for 20+ years, whereas the Centre Molson was only that for 6 years.

Yeah. SkyDome is a "legacy" name that's hard to kill off, and ACC just rolls off the tongue nicely.

The new(ish) Habs' arena never had a legacy name when it was built, and as you say Molson didn't have much time to get entrenched. Getting people to use a new corporate name for the old Forum, though, would have been next to impossible.

And I just checked and Wrigley Field is named for the founder of the chewing gum company, and not really the company or the product specifically.

WhipperSnapper · #**4103** Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 7:25 PM**

I try to call things by their most recent name with emphasis on try.

thmx · #**4104** Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 8:20 PM**

Some more renderings of Vrancor Group's vision for FirstOntario Centre in Hamilton...

Vrancor's vision of the new FirstOntario Centre by R L, on Flickr

esquire · #**4105** Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 8:39 PM**

Looks pretty good to me. Was Copps Coliseum designed with the intention of accommodating development on each side of the arena?

SteelTown · #**4106** Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 9:03 PM**

Both new side additions are office space. Copps does have a set back from the street so Vrancor could easily fit office space.

I really like how they'll incorporate Jackson Square roof with the arena, since 90% of the time its dead space.

Djeffery · #**4107** Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 9:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by isaidso

Of course it's bad. It 100% eliminates the option that this stadium can ever expand as the fan base grows. It's mind boggling how many stadia in this county are built with absolutely zero thought to future needs. BMO Field, Universite Laval are just 2 examples of many. Looks like this will be yet another one but at least here it's outside forces at play.

Are you talking about a different BMO Field than the one in Toronto that has already been expanded by almost 50%?

GernB · #**4108** Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 9:36 PM**

^^And which will be expanded again for the 2026 World Cup?

Djeffery · #**4109** Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 9:54 PM**

Regarding the discussion about what you call a sports venue, it depends, for me. Sometimes I say Rogers Centre, sometimes The Dome. I do say "Scotiabank" (without saying Arena) but it's not confusing because I would almost never be talking about Calgary. I love it when I read a forum (usually on Facebook) when talking about one corporate name being replaced by another and someone says "it will always be x to me". Like, we aren't talking about Maple Leaf Gardens becoming whatever.

In London, the John Labatt Centre was changed to Budweiser Gardens after the original naming rights contract ended. People were in an uproar because "how could the city abandon our history and sell out to a corporation. It will always be the JLC to me". Except that Labatts paid for the original name and decided to call it John Labatt Centre as an homage to the company founder. And then they re-signed the naming rights and decided on Budweiser Gardens would be better advertising. And I like the name better and the signage on the building looks nicer. The morning radio guys back in 2002 or so when John Labatt Centre name was announced were trying to get the popular shortform to be "The John", the thought being "Joe Louis Arena in Detroit is called The Joe". Thankfully that never took off.

I do remember back when the talk was going on about what the name was going to be, someone said they had the scoop, that they did a whois internet naming search on several names and were sure the arena was going to be Rogers Centre, because the name had just been registered. So I guess we know that Rogers had designs on some type of naming rights a few years before buying the SkyDome. I was just searching for when Rogers put the name on the arena in Vancouver and noticed their 10 year deal ends this year. I wonder if that has been renewed yet?

GlassCity · #**4110** Posted **Feb 2, 2020, 3:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Yeah. SkyDome is a "legacy" name that's hard to kill off, and ACC just rolls off the tongue nicely.

The new(ish) Habs' arena never had a legacy name when it was built, and as you say Molson didn't have much time to get entrenched. Getting people to use a new corporate name for the old Forum, though, would have been next to impossible.

And I just checked and Wrigley Field is named for the founder of the chewing gum company, and not really the company or the product specifically.

People started saying Rogers Arena vs GM Place real quick here.

esquire · #**4111** Posted **Feb 2, 2020, 5:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by GlassCity

People started saying Rogers Arena vs GM Place real quick here.

It was the same thing here when Winnipeg Stadium was renamed CanadInns Stadium. I was a little surprised by how quickly people caught on to the new name considering the old name had nearly 50 years of history behind it.

JHikka · #**4112** Posted **Feb 13, 2020, 9:38 PM**

Rumours circulating that CMNT will be hosting Costa Rica in a friendly at Westhills Stadium in March.

craner · #**4113** Posted **Feb 14, 2020, 6:28 AM**

Where is Westhills ?

Corndogger · #**4114** Posted **Feb 14, 2020, 6:58 AM**

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Originally Posted by craner

Where is Westhills ?

Based on a quick search it looks like in Langford, B.C. Capacity is 6K.

J.OT13 · #**4115** Posted **Feb 15, 2020, 3:24 PM**

Gatineau's new arena will be delivered later than scheduled. The community ice pads are set to open in November 2020, with the LHJMQ arena to open in March 2021.

This is in a way a good news story for the Hull Olympiques because it gives them an official final season in the storied Robert Guertin arena.

https://www.ledroit.com/actualites/g...b0ee58822c8989

thurmas · #**4116** Posted **Feb 15, 2020, 11:29 PM**

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/ml...y-shareholder/

Bronfman group close to buying a piece of the Rays. This could mean momentum gets started to build the new downtown Expos stadium and will be interesting if they and the new Alouettes owners discuss a possible stadium design that includes the Alouettes?

Djeffery · #**4117** Posted **Feb 15, 2020, 11:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

Gatineau's new arena will be delivered later than scheduled. The community ice pads are set to open in November 2020, with the LHJMQ arena to open in March 2021.

This is in a way a good news story for the Hull Olympiques because it gives them an official final season in the storied Robert Guertin arena.

https://www.ledroit.com/actualites/g...b0ee58822c8989

How long is it delayed? I wouldn't think the team is happy to be losing part of a season in a new arena in favour of some marketing gimmick about a "farewell season" to the old place. I mean, the Leafs left Maple Leaf Gardens with 7 weeks left in the season. The Habs moved to the then Molson Centre with only 3 or 4 weeks left in the season.

Djeffery · #**4118** Posted **Feb 16, 2020, 12:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by thurmas

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/ml...y-shareholder/

Bronfman group close to buying a piece of the Rays. This could mean momentum gets started to build the new downtown Expos stadium and will be interesting if they and the new Alouettes owners discuss a possible stadium design that includes the Alouettes?

And the Rays owner denies that anything is happening lol. I think Montreal is screwing themselves out of a full team by tossing this idea around. They probably would have got one of the rumoured 2 expansion teams baseball is going to do in the next few years. Although who knows, maybe this is all the baseball Montreal really wants anyway.

Acajack · #**4119** Posted **Feb 16, 2020, 2:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by Djeffery

How long is it delayed? I wouldn't think the team is happy to be losing part of a season in a new arena in favour of some marketing gimmick about a "farewell season" to the old place. I mean, the Leafs left Maple Leaf Gardens with 7 weeks left in the season. The Habs moved to the then Molson Centre with only 3 or 4 weeks left in the season.

March 21 2021

Djeffery · #**4120** Posted **Feb 16, 2020, 3:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

March 21 2021

I wasn't clear, my mistake. I meant when was it supposed to open (how long is it delayed for?)