Canada's 10 Tallest U/C - Page 204

Black Star · #**4061** Posted **Sep 7, 2017, 3:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by O-tacular

If only a new tower could be built to block those condos.

Haha true. The towers going up around it now from the north and east are at least sheltering my eyes from this mediocre project. What we need just to the west of these is a Epcor wide tower to block them in.

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WhipperSnapper · #**4062** Posted **Sep 7, 2017, 4:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Calgarian

Not sure what they are getting at with the bird friendly measures, definitely never heard of a louver referred to that way before.

Birds must have become a serious concern during the zoning process for them to sell louvers over glass on a mechanical floor.

Calgarian · #**4063** Posted **Sep 7, 2017, 4:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Birds must have become a serious concern during the zoning process for them to sell louvers over glass on a mechanical floor.

Mechanical floors rarely use glass, they aren't always completely louvered as these appear to be, but they are never completely glass as you can't vent through glass.

WhipperSnapper · #**4064** Posted **Sep 7, 2017, 4:57 PM**

My point being that it's probably a sales pitch. It just needs to be convincing. It doesn't need to make a whole lot of sense.

Calgarian · #**4065** Posted **Sep 7, 2017, 5:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

My point being that it's probably a sales pitch. It just needs to be convincing. It doesn't need to make a whole lot of sense.

That I definitely agree with, just blowing smoke up someone's ass for sure! People love the idea of green buildings and environmentally friendly buildings so much they just eat shit like that up.

240glt · #**4066** Posted **Sep 7, 2017, 5:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Calgarian

Mechanical floors rarely use glass, they aren't always completely louvered as these appear to be, but they are never completely glass as you can't vent through glass.

My building does. Frost glazing though. Still looks amazing

I have been in Atlanta and Chicago touring buildings recently, and most of our new office towers actually do have glazing in the mechaincal areas

https://flic.kr/p/YdBRjh

Calgarian · #**4067** Posted **Sep 7, 2017, 6:07 PM**

Guess those aren't bird friendly lol.

WhipperSnapper · #**4068** Posted **Sep 7, 2017, 8:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by 240glt

My building does. Frost glazing though. Still looks amazing

I have been in Atlanta and Chicago touring buildings recently, and most of our new office towers actually do have glazing in the mechaincal areas

https://flic.kr/p/YdBRjh

The One visually has a lot more square footage devoted to "mechanical" than just about any other residential tower. Can you speculate why that would be should that be the case?

240glt · #**4069** Posted **Sep 7, 2017, 8:11 PM**

^ light box effect maybe ? That's generally why my company glazes penthouse mechs. At our property in Calgary the penthouse is glazed, and backlit but the cooling tower is actually mostly inside the building (which is brilliant from an O & M standpoint) so there is a reason for all that glazing at the top of EAP

caltrane74 · #**4070** Posted **Sep 7, 2017, 8:59 PM**

Massey Tower - 208 meters

Calgarian · #**4071** Posted **Sep 7, 2017, 9:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by 240glt

^ light box effect maybe ? That's generally why my company glazes penthouse mechs. At our property in Calgary the penthouse is glazed, and backlit but the cooling tower is actually mostly inside the building (which is brilliant from an O & M standpoint) so there is a reason for all that glazing at the top of EAP

Seems like one of the rare occasions where there is too much space in a mechanical room. Usually they are extremely tight and every cubic inch is utilized. Also, having the room on the top of building generally eliminates the need for louvers as you can just vent out the top, having it on a middle floor requires louvers as venting up would eat up floor space in the form of shafts.

240glt · #**4072** Posted **Sep 7, 2017, 9:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Calgarian

Seems like one of the rare occasions where there is too much space in a mechanical room. Usually they are extremely tight and every cubic inch is utilized. Also, having the room on the top of building generally eliminates the need for louvers as you can just vent out the top, having it on a middle floor requires louvers as venting up would eat up floor space in the form of shafts.

In older buildings yes, you'll usually find tight mechanical rooms with equipment shoehorned in there. Newer buildings are giving mechanical areas much more space. Equipment is getting bigger as well as ventilation requirements change.

But no you still need louvres or a vertical opening of some sort for intake & exhaust, you generally can't pull that from a horizontal opening at the top. When you see horizontal openings it's usually for cooling towers. You see less mid-rise mechanical rooms now because most buildings are compartmentalizing on each floor, so the only ducts you need are exhaust and make-up.

TorontoDrew · #**4073** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 3:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by Calgarian

Guess those aren't bird friendly lol.

I'm not sure what it's like in Calgary but Toronto is a major migratory route for song birds. I highly doubt thus was done as a sales pitch since I don't mist people buying these units to be tree hugging hippies. This was nearly part of the approval package shown to the city as stated iver on UT. New high rise buildings in Toronto need to comply with bird friendly designs to minimise impacts. I can see these new mechanical floors being popular with nesting falcons.

WhipperSnapper · #**4074** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 4:41 AM**

It should have been pretty clear we weren't talking about potential unit buyers.

I'm also not convinced the designer chose louvers specifically to save birds. One. These mechanical floors are pretty high above the kill zones for song birds. Two. Glass with a thick metallic e coating that creates a mirror finish devastating to birds is not popular anymore. Three. It's still a glass building despite these louvered mech floors every 20 storeys. Yes, decorate night lighting is known to confuse the hell out of birds sense of direction during migration season.

TorontoDrew · #**4075** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 5:04 AM**

Laugh out fucking load. Now he's a song bird expert. So funny. What a fool. I suppose he's gone to school on the subject. Jokes. What a fool. The troll just can't help himself. Now he's an expert on migratory birds. I love it. Please WS do go on. Remember you said this building would never happen. I've agreed with 5 other members here to ignore you and your posts but this was just too silly. Seriously wtf lol. And this will be my last response to you for months.

Your posts are irrelevant and I hope other forumers you troll join us.

FrankieFlowerpot · #**4076** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 12:35 PM**

Probably best not to post when you've had a few beers, eh?

WhipperSnapper · #**4077** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 3:19 PM**

I read and inquire about things. It's amazing how much info you pick up that way. It's not always right so, I actually like when someone steps up and says what I have heard is wrong. Of course, you don't provide any of that. You just have jealous tantrums like a four year old. To actually be jealous that I'm a volunteer editor of a skyscraper fan site is crazy!