CHICAGO | St. Regis Chicago (Vista) | 1,191 FT | 101 FLOORS

[sentinel]

This is really unfortunately, but will have to be resolved one way or another. A delay of this nature is pretty unprecedented, and ultimately, McHugh is going to have to fork over a lot in terms of liquidated damages, especially since the glazing sub is (most likely) under their contract with the developer. Bad news bears indeed.

[Zapatan]

Well that sucks, I was wondering what was up with the glass

I hope this thing won't end up like Waterview Tower or Pentimonium in Dubai. How is it so difficult to manufacture suitable glass anyway? Why didn't they test earlier?

[Notyrview]

Like someone else said, don't pay the final bill, this is bullshit

[PittsburghPA]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

Well that sucks, I was wondering what was up with the glass

I hope this thing won't end up like Waterview Tower or Pentimonium in Dubai. How is it so difficult to manufacture suitable glass anyway? Why didn't they test earlier?

The developer and McHugh decided to use an inexpensive window wall system (inexpensive even for window wall standards) as opposed to a much more costly but more reliable curtain wall system. Window wall is used successfully in roughly 90% of Chicago projects without issue but typically there is an experienced project management company that sees the glass process through from start to finish. Including ordering parts, overseeing manufacturing specs, ensuring successful mock ups, and installation. All on time and on budget.

In this instance McHugh decided to let the glass manufacturer manage the project instead of a 3rd party. In my opinion I believe that is the issue. And no I do not work in construction so I have no skin in the game.

[Notyrview]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

Well that sucks, I was wondering what was up with the glass

I hope this thing won't end up like Waterview Tower or Pentimonium in Dubai. How is it so difficult to manufacture suitable glass anyway? Why didn't they test earlier?

Lol quit saying that. this isn't going to end up like waterview, it's 2/3 complete.

[left of center]

Annoying to hear about the glass. I wonder how much longer the delay could go on for. We could literally have a a topped out empty concrete shell of a supertall for weeks or months. Would look quite surreal... that is, more so that it already does for still being bare concrete this far along its construction.

[Notyrview]

It's definitely looking like a good chance that this tops out mostly naked

[left of center]

Originally Posted by Notyrview

It's definitely looking like a good chance that this tops out mostly naked

How embarrassing.

[Notyrview]

my biggest concern is magellan losing a lot of money and then delaying bKL tower. But they shouldn't have done this on the cheap. Tough lesson i'd say.

[harryc]

Originally Posted by left of center

How embarrassing.

That all depends on how you're built.

[Notyrview]

Yeah Vista is built like a Glamazon

[bnk]

No windows going into deep winter would be a serious problem

Especially when it gets below freezing and the plumbing water factor.

I imagine if they don’t have the windows up in place by then they will likey come up with some kind of solution to keep the interior warm and dry.

No sense not mentioning it because well we’ve seen no progress thus far and no real answers so how are going to fix it.

So yes that would be worst-case Scenario.

[Kumdogmillionaire]

Originally Posted by bnk

No windows going into deep winter would be a serious problem

Especially when it gets below freezing and the plumbing water factor.

I imagine if they don’t have the windows up in place by then I’ll come up with some kind of solution to keep the interior warm and dry.

No sense not mentioning it because well we’ve seen no progress thus far and no real answers so how are going to fix it.

So yes that would be worst-case Scenario.

Why on earth do you think they would have water in the pipes?

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by PittsburghPA

The developer and McHugh decided to use an inexpensive window wall system (inexpensive even for window wall standards) as opposed to a much more costly but more reliable curtain wall system. Window wall is used successfully in roughly 90% of Chicago projects without issue but typically there is an experienced project management company that sees the glass process through from start to finish. Including ordering parts, overseeing manufacturing specs, ensuring successful mock ups, and installation. All on time and on budget.

In this instance McHugh decided to let the glass manufacturer manage the project instead of a 3rd party. In my opinion I believe that is the issue. And no I do not work in construction so I have no skin in the game.

So basically poor decisions and general incompetence led to this... that's very upsetting.

Lol quit saying that. this isn't going to end up like waterview, it's 2/3 complete.

While obviously that would be worst case scenario, they can still cap the building early if the financial setback prevents reaching full heights. I'm not saying it'll happen at all, just that I hope it won't. Chicago has a bad history of starting mega projects and not finishing them. (Spire, Waterview etc.)

[Bonsai Tree]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

So basically poor decisions and general incompetence led to this... that's very upsetting.



While obviously that would be worst case scenario, they can still cap the building early if the financial setback prevents reaching full heights. I'm not saying it'll happen at all, just that I hope it won't. Chicago has a bad history of starting mega projects and not finishing them. (Spire, Waterview etc.)

This is simply irrational. Weren't we just talking about how the 71st and 72nd floors were under contract (I know its not a done deal). That enough should push Magellan to get this building done. Vista is going to top out, it doesn't matter what happens with the glass. It's as simple as that. Please stop having pre-recession ptsd.

[Kumdogmillionaire]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

So basically poor decisions and general incompetence led to this... that's very upsetting.



While obviously that would be worst case scenario, they can still cap the building early if the financial setback prevents reaching full heights. I'm not saying it'll happen at all, just that I hope it won't. Chicago has a bad history of starting mega projects and not finishing them. (Spire, Waterview etc.)

Oh stop... "bad history"... everyone got screwed over by the recession and those two projects were among the dead. To imply that a city with hundreds of massive buildings has a "bad history" is just bad revisionist history. The building has financing already and 80-85% of the concrete for the project has already been used. I'm not concerned about it being finished at all. It taking longer because of glass is a bummer, but using Waterview and Spire sites as your examples of precedence is comically hypberbolic at best, and intentionally misleading at worst.

[bnk]

Originally Posted by Kumdogmillionaire

Why on earth do you think they would have water in the pipes?

Well water will have to flow at some point unless you are looking at late spring 2019 to test the systems. Yes I know they use high pressured CO2 first to test for leaks in soldered seals and what not. But if there is a chance for freeze no water can be run to not worry about busted pipes.

My Father was a Union Plumber and I have two other Union brothers that are plumbers.

I'm not an idiot. I am only suggesting the worst case situation. I already said if the windows were not in place they could find a warm wrapping to deal with the internal works, but all trades go in rotation. Plumbers are almost always the first to rough in right before HVAC goons do their damage.


Its not like we can just wait out the winter and let plumbers go in last. Plumbers are one of the first to go in and to their rough in. I'm not talking about installing shower or faucet heads here, I'm talking about rough ins, drains, vents, and runs.

I have More experience than you have any idea about, clearly. You likely do not understand a word I said unless you were a plumber yourself.


Now off to bed with you child. You are needlessly keeping me from my needed sleep...


Thanks to you in advance.

[Notyrview]

Originally Posted by bnk

Well water will have to flow at some point unless you are looking at late spring 2019 to test the systems. Yes I know they use high pressured CO2 first to test for leaks in soldered seals and what not. But if there is a chance for freeze no water can be run to not worry about busted pipes.

My Father was a Union Plumber and I have two other Union brothers that are plumbers.

I'm not an idiot. I am only suggesting the worst case situation. I already said if the windows were not in place they could find a warm wrapping to deal with the internal works, but all trades go in rotation. Plumbers are almost always the first to rough in right before HVAC goons do their damage.


Its not like we can just wait out the winter and let plumbers go in last. Plumbers are one of the first to go in and to their rough in. I'm not talking about installing shower or faucet heads here, I'm talking about rough ins, drains, vents, and runs.

I have More experience than you have any idea about, clearly. You likely do not understand a word I said unless you were a plumber yourself.


Now off to bed with you child. You are needlessly keeping me from my needed sleep...


Thanks to you in advance.

Lololololllolol is this even real?

[bnk]

Originally Posted by Notyrview

Lololololllolol is this even real?

What do you think? Do you think I just made this up and it is fake? Are you a plumber yourself?

I didn't think so. Just showing how little you know by lolling it. I cant wait for your expertise rebuttal.

Good night to you too.

[Notyrview]

Originally Posted by bnk

What do you think is fake? Are you a plumber yourself?

I didn't think so.

Good night to you too.

Lololol yes oh Great Plumber Overlord preach!