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Wigglez · #**3981** Posted **Jan 10, 2021, 9:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by GreyGarden

It also seems like downtown development in Winnipeg typically attracts a really negative response from lots of Winnipeggers. I could see wanting to avoid all of the negative press and attention from the public and proceed without any big announcement. Its also possible that those opinions are just the loudest and aren't representative at all.

In my experience these people have a very loud self defeating voice

"Downtown is terrible why don't they fix it"
followed by
"Why bother trying to fix downtown its terrible"

They're best ignored.

NewIreland · #**3982** Posted **Jan 10, 2021, 9:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by GreyGarden

It also seems like downtown development in Winnipeg typically attracts a really negative response from lots of Winnipeggers. I could see wanting to avoid all of the negative press and attention from the public and proceed without any big announcement. Its also possible that those opinions are just the loudest and aren't representative at all.

Understatement of the decade.

blueandgoldguy · #**3983** Posted **Jan 10, 2021, 10:09 PM**

Isn't the Sutton Place Hotel just mothballed for the time-being, not cancelled? Would they not resume construction once travel has reached normal or near-normal levels in a year or two?

Wigglez · #**3984** Posted **Jan 10, 2021, 10:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

Isn't the Sutton Place Hotel just mothballed for the time-being, not cancelled? Would they not resume construction once travel has reached normal or near-normal levels in a year or two?

Sutton Place is still a WIP - what they define as WIP seems loose tho...

The Hyatt at 138 portage avenue east is DOA

CoryB · #**3985** Posted **Jan 11, 2021, 2:53 PM**

Unless some insider knows something, I am not sure why True North would be involved with the announcement of the new RWB residence. Sure to make the deal for the Wawanessna site they may have been involved as a technical consultant basically leading the whole design on behalf of RWB. I would go even further and guess that True North is basically bank rolling the project to get the current RWB residence site. That said True North isn't the "lead" on the project, RWB would be that and it would be on them to make any announcement. Not sure them building a new student residence is as big news as people here think, especially when it is all private money making it happen.

trueviking · #**3986** Posted **Jan 11, 2021, 7:47 PM**

true, but True North doesn't often miss an opportunity to find a headline. Unless they just gave money to the ballet and they are handling on their own.

CoryB · #**3987** Posted **Jan 11, 2021, 8:05 PM**

My gut feel on the RWB Residence is True North is effectively the lead on the project and RWB is the client providing input. That said it is still for the RWB to say talk to the media about it. It would be surprising to see them build a new Residence and likely have True North involved and not have some big hype about it.

I am actually still surprised that True North didn't strike some sort of deal to move the RWB studio and residence to a few floors in one of the other projects so they could have that site too. It isn't like the Studio generates a high volume of traffic that needs a street level presence.

trueviking · #**3988** Posted **Jan 11, 2021, 8:15 PM**

you're probably right.

Biff · #**3989** Posted **Jan 12, 2021, 2:34 PM**

I noticed, passing by rather quickly, that the Scott Block structural steel is up to the 3rd or 4th floor already. Still waiting on a render to see the facade.

***noted there are images in the Exchange thread***

buzzg · #**3990** Posted **Jan 12, 2021, 5:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by GreyGarden

It also seems like downtown development in Winnipeg typically attracts a really negative response from lots of Winnipeggers. I could see wanting to avoid all of the negative press and attention from the public and proceed without any big announcement. Its also possible that those opinions are just the loudest and aren't representative at all.

There was a big group of people who called TN twoers 1 & 2 "gentrification" and that it was forcing less fortunante people out of their neighbourhood. Which is of course an absurd claim because that land was a parking lot for 70+ years.

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Originally Posted by trueviking

true, but True North doesn't often miss an opportunity to find a headline. Unless they just gave money to the ballet and they are handling on their own.

From what I hear (friend at Bentall) TN is definitely leading the project on the back end, but it is an RWB project. Part of the deal (on top of whatever money was exchanged) was that TN provide residences until the new building is done. There are currently 2 floors of 225 Carlton that are entirely RWB's.

esquire · #**3991** Posted **Jan 12, 2021, 6:40 PM**

Are the details regarding exactly what RWB will be building public knowledge yet? I am curious as to whether they are going to build only a residence or if there will be anything else such as additional studio space, offices, etc.

This could be a real feather in RWB school's cap, having new residence spaces to offer students.

Biff · #**3992** Posted **Jan 12, 2021, 6:51 PM**

It is the same team that built TNS 1&2 and is building Wawanesa. True North, Architecture 49, PCL. They are working on behalf of the RWB. I made some inquiries but all were met with it was hush/hush until the RWB announces it. Seems strange, but what are you gonna do.

esquire · #**3993** Posted **Jan 12, 2021, 6:56 PM**

Thanks, Biff. While we're on that topic, are TNS 3 & 4 officially "on hold" for now? There is no activity happening at all on those sites?

Biff · #**3994** Posted **Jan 12, 2021, 7:30 PM**

^^^I have heard no "official" confirmation. The site is definitely shut down. Obviously money must be tight with hotel owners having no income, but you would think you would have to press forward to reap your ROI when things get going again. These could have been nearing completion in early 2022, right when travelers would likely start traveling again.

drew · #**3995** Posted **Jan 12, 2021, 7:40 PM**

^ you gotta think True North must be kinda pissed about the delays on this.

They want all of these facilities in place to allow them to start to get in consideration for hosting events like the draft, etc.

esquire · #**3996** Posted **Jan 12, 2021, 7:47 PM**

If Northland can't/won't get it done, I wonder if TN can step in and take over?

1ajs · #**3997** Posted **Jan 12, 2021, 8:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by CoryB

My gut feel on the RWB Residence is True North is effectively the lead on the project and RWB is the client providing input. That said it is still for the RWB to say talk to the media about it. It would be surprising to see them build a new Residence and likely have True North involved and not have some big hype about it.

I am actually still surprised that True North didn't strike some sort of deal to move the RWB studio and residence to a few floors in one of the other projects so they could have that site too. It isn't like the Studio generates a high volume of traffic that needs a street level presence.

the richardsons are invovled in this as well and they tend to do things low key so let it be. and rwb has allot of foot traffic in the area and prolly was the driving force for secondcup to exist on graham before hydro moved in

CoryB · #**3998** Posted **Jan 12, 2021, 10:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by 1ajs

rwb has allot of foot traffic in the area and prolly was the driving force for secondcup to exist on graham before hydro moved in

Sorry, I meant more the RWB doesn't depend on street level foot traffic walking past them. The more generate customer/client contacts through other means and likely could have been fine as say 2 residential and 2-3 studio/office floors in one of the True North Square towers.

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Originally Posted by buzzg

There are currently 2 floors of 225 Carlton that are entirely RWB's.

I am actually a little surprised this wasn't the permanent arrangement. Basically True North et all pays for the residence space in the tower that the RWB then owns and student fees cover the upkeep/condo type fees going forward. That the arrangement is temporary puts the question out there what happens with those floors once RWB moves out in a few years.

esquire · #**3999** Posted **Jan 12, 2021, 10:09 PM**

^ I suppose that they hope the downtown residential market is in better shape by then? I'm sure with covid, demand for that kind of space is a bit lower than it might normally be.... this is a good way for them to use excess space.

1ajs · #**4000** Posted **Jan 13, 2021, 1:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by CoryB

Sorry, I meant more the RWB doesn't depend on street level foot traffic walking past them. The more generate customer/client contacts through other means and likely could have been fine as say 2 residential and 2-3 studio/office floors in one of the True North Square towers.

I am actually a little surprised this wasn't the permanent arrangement. Basically True North et all pays for the residence space in the tower that the RWB then owns and student fees cover the upkeep/condo type fees going forward. That the arrangement is temporary puts the question out there what happens with those floors once RWB moves out in a few years.

main floor of rwb has atheater in it.