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Old Posted Sep 25, 2021, 7:30 PM
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30th St. Station should aspire to be more like Union Station in D.C. Hopefully, the renovations will do it.
Oh please no! As someone who had to use both 30 th street and Union Station on a regular basis I'd say the opposite is true. Union station should aspire to be a lot more like 30th or Grand Central. I mean, it's great that it has a fancy shopping mall crammed into it, but it leaves no room for the actual train station and waiting/ boarding is an absolute mess. 30th street is an absolute pleasure to use as an actual train station.

Suburban station on the other hand...
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Oh please no! As someone who had to use both 30 th street and Union Station on a regular basis I'd say the opposite is true. Union station should aspire to be a lot more like 30th or Grand Central. I mean, it's great that it has a fancy shopping mall crammed into it, but it leaves no room for the actual train station and waiting/ boarding is an absolute mess. 30th street is an absolute pleasure to use as an actual train station.
From the reactions I read online, the Amtrak nerds community would agree with you.
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Old Posted Sep 25, 2021, 11:51 PM
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30th is, in my stark opinion, the best Amtrak terminal.

Very specific with that wording.
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Oh please no! As someone who had to use both 30 th street and Union Station on a regular basis I'd say the opposite is true. Union station should aspire to be a lot more like 30th or Grand Central. I mean, it's great that it has a fancy shopping mall crammed into it, but it leaves no room for the actual train station and waiting/ boarding is an absolute mess. 30th street is an absolute pleasure to use as an actual train station.

Suburban station on the other hand...
It was in the context of aesthetics not functionality. But yeah easier to board and get off 30th station. Amtrak union station is aware through its riders and they are working on a solution. See article with proposed expansion plan dependent on funding:

https://www.archpaper.com/2019/01/amtrak-union-square-washington-dc-update/
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Admittedly I haven't spent a ton of time at 30th Street Station recently (I think the last time I was there was last June/July to pick up a rental car) but I didn't even think it needed a thorough renovation of any kind. I guess the areas outside of the main hallway/waiting area need some work?

Ultimately I can't complain, though.
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Admittedly I haven't spent a ton of time at 30th Street Station recently (I think the last time I was there was last June/July to pick up a rental car) but I didn't even think it needed a thorough renovation of any kind. I guess the areas outside of the main hallway/waiting area need some work?

Ultimately I can't complain, though.
The main hall is mostly in a state of decent repair. The other areas of the station could use some work.
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Ultimately my questions are:

Is part of the scope of this project the surrounding grounds? Those definitely need a major rework.

Is part of the scope of this project the connection between the MFL and the main building?

Is part of the scope of this project righting the injustice of the removal of the Solari Flippy Board???
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Admittedly I haven't spent a ton of time at 30th Street Station recently (I think the last time I was there was last June/July to pick up a rental car) but I didn't even think it needed a thorough renovation of any kind. I guess the areas outside of the main hallway/waiting area need some work?

Ultimately I can't complain, though.
it needs a ton of work inside and amtrak's office space is a mess.
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Admittedly I haven't spent a ton of time at 30th Street Station recently (I think the last time I was there was last June/July to pick up a rental car) but I didn't even think it needed a thorough renovation of any kind. I guess the areas outside of the main hallway/waiting area need some work?

Ultimately I can't complain, though.
About 6 years ago, the exterior of 30th Street Station was refurbished (brick pointing etc..) landscaping, louge areas, signage, lighting etc.. So I am assuming the interior? I worked there for many years (conductor & ticket agent for Amtrak) and if I remember right, the interior was renovated in the 90's. The interior was cleaned and painted, ceiling in the concouse was restored which was full of soot from the diesel locomotives underneath. The smoke comes up through the stairways to the tracks. I believe the benches (oak wood?) are original and were restored, bathrooms renovated, updated the shopping area and new signage. That's been about 20 years or so... so I guess it's due for another renovation. I can see that the stone tile floors in the main concourse needs replacing, many of the tiles are cracked.

As a former employee, I've been to many Amtrak train stations, 30th Street is the awesome beauty. I loved to see the look on the first time passengers faces when they arrive in Philadelphia coming up from below off the trains with their mouths agape, they do a slow 360 degree turn as their anxiety subsides. The layout is simple and straight forward, this has a calming affect for passengers. You can see what track you need to go from a distance because of minimal clutter and the wide open space. Signage is clear and large. The information desk is dead center along with exits and taxis on either end. New York Penn Station was a maze of confusion, It's low ceilings, crammed with herds of people like their going through cattle shoots. It gives a "oh no where am I going!" affect. Union Station in D.C. is beautiful but does need design improvement. Baltimore is tiny, nothing worth comparing, same for Newark and Trenton. Boston and Chicago are so, so...I could go on and on but you get the picture. The stations in between are no where near the size and splendor of 30th Street station.

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Ultimately my questions are:

Is part of the scope of this project the surrounding grounds? Those definitely need a major rework.
Yes

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Is part of the scope of this project the connection between the MFL and the main building?
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Is part of the scope of this project righting the injustice of the removal of the Solari Flippy Board???
No. Get over the flippy board..
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No. Get over the flippy board..
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The advertisements hanging from the ceiling in the station are the biggest detriment to the interior of 30th Street Station. Why we tolerate such aesthetic vandalism is beyond comprehension. Can you imagine if Union Station or Grand Central 30x50 advertisements hanging from the ceiling of the main hall?
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The advertisements hanging from the ceiling in the station are the biggest detriment to the interior of 30th Street Station. Why we tolerate such aesthetic vandalism is beyond comprehension. Can you imagine if Union Station or Grand Central 30x50 advertisements hanging from the ceiling of the main hall?
Because this is Philadelphia.

What do these advertisements pay for again? Upkeep? Is that much money made from them?

But I agree. I think 30th Street is tied as the most beautiful train situation in the country (tie is Grand Central).
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I hadn't been in 30th Street Station for over 18 months...the place is still as beautiful as ever.

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One of my happy places.

When I arrive via train I sigh and smile at the top of the escalator vs. Penn Station in New York I hold my breath and quickly look for the the 7th Avenue exit arrow, lol.
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One of my happy places.

When I arrive via train I sigh and smile at the top of the escalator vs. Penn Station in New York I hold my breath and quickly look for the the 7th Avenue exit arrow, lol.
RIGHT? Isn't coming up on the escalators breathtaking?
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and, despite initial reports to the contrary, the place has not lost one scintilla of character even after ditching the flip board.
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