NEW YORK | Hudson Yards Phase 2 | 1,376 - 1,189 - 1,180 FT | 80/80/74 FLOORS

[NYguy]

The three towers proposed here will each be higher than the observation deck at 30 Hudson, for some visual context.



https://youtu.be/JjM1HZ2Gp94?si=nMk78oUWKFnd9oFu


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[NYguy]

Some early looks...

[Altoic]

Beautiful!

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Altoic

Beautiful!

I like the towers. I still think there's too much open space, but nothing to be done about that.

The podium could maybe use a little work, but at least it's not what I feared it would be looking at other Wynn casinos.

Also, I notice the "Wynn" branding at the top. I'm assuming that's what the signage special permit is for. I'm loving the treatment around the High Line though.

[Zapatan]

Is this a real design or just a concept? It looks amazing.

Where did you find those images?



We are becoming Shenzhen.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

Is this a real design or just a concept? It looks amazing.

Where did you find those images?



We are becoming Shenzhen.

They're all over. Some from the NY Post, just resized.


The more I look at it, the more I like the podium...

[NewYorkCity76]

Awesome!! The towers look huge there!!!!

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by NewYorkCity76

Awesome!! The towers look huge there!!!!

It looks like Calatrava is still on the residential tower, and Gehry still on the office. From what we can see so far, the residential tower seems the nicest. But one thing I'm not sure about, the Wynn tower and the residential are supposed to be nearly identical in height. But this rendering looks more in line with what was in the graphic - the Wynn tower being closer in height to the office building. I wonder if it was possible, as one article suggested, that the Wynn tower didn't take into account the height of the podium in the DEIS.

As for the podium, it's looking nicer and nicer. You would never think there was a casino in there. It doesn't have the cheap, gaudy look of most casino complexes.

[DCReid]

"I still think there's too much open space". Really? I don't think you want fat short boxy towers with less open space. I'm glad they are going tall and less bulky compared with the fairly boxy and swat office towers for phase 1.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by DCReid

"I still think there's too much open space". Really? I don't think you want fat short boxy towers with less open space. I'm glad they are going tall and less bulky compared with the fairly boxy and swat office towers for phase 1.

Yes, really. There's plenty of open space built in the first phase, just across the street. It may be surprising to some, but these 3 towers (including podium) would be built with a FAR of 11. That's because there is plenty of open space. That was the tradeoff for the large towers. It doesn't have the typical density of Manhattan, which is another reason why some people think it doesn't feel like New York.

[TKD]

Originally Posted by NYguy

It looks like Calatrava is still on the residential tower, and Gehry still on the office. From what we can see so far, the residential tower seems the nicest. But one thing I'm not sure about, the Wynn tower and the residential are supposed to be nearly identical in height. But this rendering looks more in line with what was in the graphic - the Wynn tower being closer in height to the office building. I wonder if it was possible, as one article suggested, that the Wynn tower didn't take into account the height of the podium in the DEIS.

As for the podium, it's looking nicer and nicer. You would never think there was a casino in there. It doesn't have the cheap, gaudy look of most casino complexes.

I can't think of any Gehry building that looks anything like the small portions of the office tower that are visible, I dont think thats Gehry.

[skeena222]

So New York gets 2 casinos;

1. Freedom Plaza, a destination for powerful international elites who want a place to wine and dine. Also, the first real answer the east side has had to the absolute blitz of development the west side has been going through.

2. Wynn NYC @ Hudson Yards, the big glitz and glam sendoff for Hudson Yards and perhaps the trend of development on the west side more permanently. There will be more, but it won't come as quickly and as easily after this.

[MAC123]

Originally Posted by skeena222

So New York gets 2 casinos;

1. Freedom Plaza, a destination for powerful international elites who want a place to wine and dine. Also, the first real answer the east side has had to the absolute blitz of development the west side has been going through.

2. Wynn NYC @ Hudson Yards, the big glitz and glam sendoff for Hudson Yards and perhaps the trend of development on the west side more permanently. There will be more, but it won't come as quickly and as easily after this.

We can start with the fact those are both proposals, and far from the only 2.
"and perhaps the trend of development on the west side more permanently." Not even close. It's not even the biggest development on the west side anymore.

[skeena222]

Originally Posted by MAC123

We can start with the fact those are both proposals, and far from the only 2.
"and perhaps the trend of development on the west side more permanently." Not even close. It's not even the biggest development on the west side anymore.

Could you point me to a bigger development? Is it the PABT towers or are those going to be smaller?

[NewYorkCity76]

Originally Posted by NYguy

It looks like Calatrava is still on the residential tower, and Gehry still on the office. From what we can see so far, the residential tower seems the nicest. But one thing I'm not sure about, the Wynn tower and the residential are supposed to be nearly identical in height. But this rendering looks more in line with what was in the graphic - the Wynn tower being closer in height to the office building. I wonder if it was possible, as one article suggested, that the Wynn tower didn't take into account the height of the podium in the DEIS.

As for the podium, it's looking nicer and nicer. You would never think there was a casino in there. It doesn't have the cheap, gaudy look of most casino complexes.

Yeah, it could be possible that the Wynn tower being closer in height to the office tower was international (if they really are following the graphic massing, then maybe they made a typo of the height?).

I'm curious how the alternative version would look

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by TKD

I can't think of any Gehry building that looks anything like the small portions of the office tower that are visible, I dont think thats Gehry.

It doesn't look like anything any other architect has designed in New York either. I'd say there's a good chance it's Gehry, because he was already working on the office tower, with Calatrava doing some residential. Gehry also has experience with designing a tall building in the city with a school at the base. Both could be off the project though, nothing is certain.

Originally Posted by NewYorkCity76

Yeah, it could be possible that the Wynn tower being closer in height to the office tower was international (if they really are following the graphic massing, then maybe they made a typo of the height?).

I'm curious how the alternative version would look

The alternative version is only for the purposes of the environmental impact study. If this isn't approved, they will simply revert to the original plan with phased development. (The two center towers would come at a later time).



Another look at the Casino from the 33rd Street entrance. Related is seeking city approval to bring 33rd Street up to Grade with 11th Avenue. The result is that it will be a "dead end" street, terminating in the parking entrance. However, the western end of the original 33rd will be maintained beneath.

I like the sleekness and curves in the design.

[TKD]

Originally Posted by NYguy

It doesn't look like anything any other architect has designed in New York either. I'd say there's a good chance it's Gehry, because he was already working on the office tower, with Calatrava doing some residential. Gehry also has experience with designing a tall building in the city with a school at the base. Both could be off the project though, nothing is certain.

Maybe not built, but there are plenty of visionary or cancelled/unchosen proposals that were designed for NY projects that also dont "look like anything any other architect has designed in NY". Gehry has a specific architecture and his original proposal on the site exemplified that as well as all of his other skyscraper proposals and 8 Spruce. Whatever is visible of the office tower in the renders is not Gehry.

Also, plenty of architects/firms have designed towers ontop of a school base/podium. Mind you there were multiple architects working on Phase II over the period of its creation within the KPF masterplan, just because Calatrava and Gehry were working on it at some point in time doesnt necessarily mean they continued to work on it, especially after it went stale.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by TKD

Maybe not built, but there are plenty of visionary or cancelled/unchosen proposals that were designed for NY projects that also dont "look like anything any other architect has designed in NY". Gehry has a specific architecture and his original proposal on the site exemplified that as well as all of his other skyscraper proposals and 8 Spruce. Whatever is visible of the office tower in the renders is not Gehry.

Also, plenty of architects/firms have designed towers ontop of a school base/podium. Mind you there were multiple architects working on Phase II over the period of its creation within the KPF masterplan, just because Calatrava and Gehry were working on it at some point in time doesnt necessarily mean they continued to work on it, especially after it went stale.

^ Not saying none of that isn't true. But Related has previously named the architects who would be working on the second phase. It's not a huge jump to suggest who might be building which tower. Not saying that it's guaranteed, but in the world of possibilities, you go with what's consistent until given information otherwise. Of course, any number of firms could be designing the towers, including the Wynn resort. Nothing is ever set in stone.

[NYguy]

At any rate, it doesn't matter who is designing these towers, as long as they look as gorgeous as they do in the renderings.


https://www.playny.com/proposed-wynn...fits-to-state/

Related and Wynn called the proposed casino project “a catalyst for the development of the entire western half of Hudson Yards.”

The rumored $12 billion proposal – built on a platform above the railyard between West 30th and West 33rd streets and 11th and 12th avenues – will create a number of jobs, including 35,000 for construction and 5,000 permanent spots in the resort. In addition, the project will feature publicly accessible open space, affordable housing and a school.

Wynn and Related promise that even more details will emerge once they submit an official application to the Gaming Facility Location Board, a date for which has yet to be set. Those details include “a substantial community benefits program, security program and traffic mitigation plan.”

...Of course, the area will also boast a “world-class gaming resort” complete with luxurious hotel rooms and suites as well as restaurants, bars and lounges. Plus, Wynn New York City will feature a space and a concierge team committed to showing guests everything New York has to offer.

In addition, the project will include a residential building with affordable housing, a Class AA commercial office space, a public school with 750 seats, a community facility and a day care center.

All told, according to the release, the Wynn New York City project represents “the single largest investment ever to be made in the local communities of Chelsea, Hudson Yards, Hell’s Kitchen and the entire West Side,” all designed “to enhance the neighborhood and maximize benefit to residents and the surrounding community.”

“Moving forward with the second phase of development presents an incredible opportunity to double the impact and provide generational benefits to the State, City, and especially our West Side neighbors. We look forward to completing our vision for Hudson Yards in partnership with Wynn Resorts and revealing full project plans as part of our application to New York State.”

Probably the best design (we can really on see two of the towers) would be the residential building.

[ChiND]

This looks incredible. I hope that Ross/Wynn prevail. I also hope that this project will include Wynn’s signature water features.