JERSEY CITY | Projects and Construction thread

[C.]

So the 3 on the left are Urby Harborside. The one in the middle is the existing Harborside 5 at 185 Hudson. The one on the left is Harborside 4... 1.2 million sqft of office space.

I'm already calculated the floor count for Harborside 4. The problem is it's a very large site. They could build a short stubby building at 20 floors and use the full 1.2 million sqft. Here's to hoping they only develop 1/3rd the site and leave the rest for a park. The first pic HINTS at that - it doesn't look like it's going to be short and stubby. Looks to have a slightly larger floorplate than the Urby buildings. The curves hints at something Libeskind or Foster would design.

[C.]

And site plan: http://harborsidejc.com/pdf/siteplan.pdf

[citybooster]

Oops, in my excitement I was really daydreaming or something but how could I miss that it was URBY all developed out and included Harborside 5. So this HAS to be a dramatic revision of Harborside 4... the one in the current plans looks nice but this curved beauty...wow! THAT is the eye catcher and the mystery here... maybe they're really planning something huge here to be part of the draw and something like that would be iconic for Jersey City, put an individual stamp on it. CIA, I'm sure you'll be on it any new info that you get an inkling of! It does look at least in the 700-800 ft range.

As for the Harborside Terminal rendering, it's going to look so good.... can't wait until they really start up on the exteriors and gets built out and becomes a must visit destination on our waterfront.

[C.]

Here is the current rendering of Harborside 4 from SJP Properties
http://www.sjpproperties.com/

[C.]

There is a lot of new projects that don't have a thread in the Highrises and Supertall Proposals forum. I'm thinking of getting all of the Jersey City ones above 12 floors added.

https://jerseydigs.com/jersey-city-d...ottage-street/

[citybooster]

Thanks CIA.. great idea! Very excited about this project as it will really revitalize the Square with the passageway and aligned shops and restaurants even if it's only the 25 stories, will be a very vital cog right next to the Loews development. One thing kinda flummoxed me about 2973 Kennedy Boulevard... great project as it is with 20 stories according to Jersey Digs will have only 79 residences...will it be condo because you see something this size and think 200-300 units at least. A smaller number seems to indicate larger apartments and likely condo over rental.

And thanks Hamilton for confirming indeed that a PATH passageway/retail will be part of any redevelopment of the CH Martin site.

[C.]

Originally Posted by citybooster

Thanks CIA.. great idea! Very excited about this project as it will really revitalize the Square with the passageway and aligned shops and restaurants even if it's only the 25 stories, will be a very vital cog right next to the Loews development. One thing kinda flummoxed me about 2973 Kennedy Boulevard... great project as it is with 20 stories according to Jersey Digs will have only 79 residences...will it be condo because you see something this size and think 200-300 units at least. A smaller number seems to indicate larger apartments and likely condo over rental.

And thanks Hamilton for confirming indeed that a PATH passageway/retail will be part of any redevelopment of the CH Martin site.

Good question - I have no idea. We really need more non-luxury condos here in Jersey City. The site is small, so 4 units a floor isn't too surprising. I imagine they'll be 2-bedroom units.

Anyone remember when this building was first announced? I was very excited. I still rate it right up there with Journal Squared in its importance for the area's redevelopment. It's going to set the tone for future mid-rises in Journal Square. The maximum height could have easily been 8, maybe 12 floors. Instead, JFK is going to have densities rivaling anywhere else in the county including New York City. The street will be very animated, and more retail options will follow.

The city has plans for a streetcar running on JFK. They're going to score really high if they ever pursue funding from FTA's New Starts grant program.
(1)40 percent of the population already takes transit to work
(2)the densities are already very high
(3) and the development potential from a streetcar would easily rate us #1 in justification for funding. So we'll see what happens.

Traffic is unbearable now. It's stupid to drive through the area, especially during peak hours. Transit upgrades must follow.

[Hamilton]

Hi citybooster, two things to consider are that the site is small so the floor areas are small, and that the first floor will have retail, and several of the floors above the retail will be office. All of that cuts down on the unit count.

By the way, interesting side note- according to the Census's American Community Survey, more than 75% of the renters that live in the census tract that includes Journal Square live in car-free households. Too many of these cars in these traffic jams are people coming in from the burbs and elsewhere in JC and mucking everything up.

[citybooster]

Thanks CIA and Hamilton for the comments.... love the streetcar idea! Hope you're right CIA and it does get front of the line consideration. I hadn't thought about the office contigent to 2973 Kennedy Blvd plus as said the relatively small area of the building would cut down some on the density...especially should they go condo.

And with that survey it's just nuts anyone would defend building a lot more parking into the mid size and large scale towers especially being right by a number of public transportation options... bus, train and hopefully streetcars. Building up the transit infrastructure as the density of the population around Journal Square dramatically rises over the next 5-10 years is imperative but please, enough with the large scale parking garages! Who cares what the NIMBYs say... and credibility and intellectual consistency can't be a hallmark of their considerations for their neighborhood.. who in their right minds wants stifling congestion.. unbearable traffic in the neighborhoods they say they want to so much conserve?

[Hamilton]

232-238 Sip Ave was approved unanimously by the Planning Board at 14 stories, 129 units.

There's a new proposal going before the Zoning Board for 400 Newark Ave (the building in white behind the tree is 380 Newark Ave, which is currently under construction):



It will need some variances from the Zoning Board. The proposal calls for 25 units in 7 stories (6 full stories plus a setback penthouse). 380 Newark was already granted similar variances, and goes up to 7 stories.

http://www.hpnajc.org/News/4791560

[C.]

Something is heating up in Newport

700 Washington Boulevard
construction of a mixed-use residential building to contain 338 residential units, 16490 sq. ft. of commercial space and associated amenities,

700 Washington Boulevard & 40 -14th Street
Maintain the existing Site Plan approval for this site knows as Site 8 of the North east
Quadrant, approved 11/2010 for 790 DU, 794 parking spaces, 15,000 sq.ft. commercial
space, waterfront walkway and surrounding roads. Extend the Final approval as
permitted by the NJMLUL and add temporary parking and bicycle storage for the new 338 DU building proposed at Block 7302, lot 3.09.

[citybooster]

Good Lord, would love to tell the "Van Vorst Snob NIMBY Association" to put it where the sun don't shine, their bleatings are so obnoxious. We're not talking about a 30 story tower here but five stories and pretty understated...my real complaint is if the developers will try to push $2,000 as market price for these units, should be half that at most. And please I hate the city comes to its senses because there is no problem here whatsoever at least with the concept.

[Hamilton]

Yeah, when I see these complaints about a "Hoboken-like atmosphere" that translates to me as "young people who aren't lucky enough to own million-dollar brownstones like me."

Whenever people talk about what classes of (law-abiding) people do and don't deserve to live in their neighborhood, that's really off-putting to me. And then they force the city to break the law and subvert the approval process in order to keep "those people" out. It seems very ugly on its face.

Hopefully they will keep moving the ball further but in the not too distant future they can re-imagine those big box lots and build residential on there.

Yeah. I think they should start with the Staples lot, but I think that (and Newport Mall) are owned by Simon, not LeFrak, and I'm not sure if they'd be interested in developing residential/mixed use. However the Target is owned by LeFrak. **EDIT: Actually the area between Washington and Marin does allow residential development, I was wrong about that**

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by Hamilton

Whenever people talk about what classes of (law-abiding) people do and don't deserve to live in their neighborhood, that's really off-putting to me. And then they force the city to break the law and subvert the approval process in order to keep "those people" out. It seems very ugly on its face.
.

NIMBYism by nature is selfishness. Its not about the city, the growth, the opportunities for a better urban area. It's all about me, me, me!

That's what they are concerned with. They could care less about others.

It's off putting, immoral, and hypocritical. They at one point had the opportunity to thrive in "X" city, why shouldn't others?

NIMBYS are not visionary, they are regressive. They do not think big. If it wasn't for visionaries, we'd still be here:



What we need is more housing. They are concerned with prices, yet lack of housing is causing that. Pissed off about some road construction, yet roads are needed to keep up with the traffic. They think they are doing good, but in their selfish "me" bubble, they do not see the bigger picture. They are on plan A,B,C, while the visionaries are on X,Y,Z.

[C.]

One Journal Square is in national news for all the wrong reasons. Fucking Kushner.

[chris08876]

Damn media really. EB-5 is a great program and needs to continue and accelerated IMO!

Sensationalising nothing for ratings. Foreign investment in the U.S. benefits our cities. We need more of it, and if it means citizenship for those who invest, I'd rather have those people any day of the week here.

[citybooster]

Originally Posted by CIA

One Journal Square is in national news for all the wrong reasons. Fucking Kushner.

I'm wish CIA here... KUSHNER 1????????? Seriously?????????? The smarmy way they are hawking Chinese investment, tying it in so close to Trump... it's appalling. I thought Jared was the grownup in the room and the more I read about him strutting around like a political big shot the more I'm infuriated. The Chinese are nervous according to the article that despite the possibility of great rewards from investing that Trump will somehow be brought down and they will wind up with egg on their face and are hesitant to invest. The Kushner contigent was crowing about the stable funding of the project... then go ahead and start it, build one at a time if it's more sensible economically... just do it or get out!!! Mayor Fulop pushed out that union pension investing company that was lollygagging with that property and Kushner seemed a knight in shining armor... but he got bit by the politics bug and now that side of the Kushner development empire seems in total disarray. Maybe it's time Fulop get the Kushners out...I seriously hope something gets done in a hurry to ensure that the Kushners build or they sell to developers that actually can get the job done. Because it's been ten years now of broken promises and dashed hopes and as Journal Squared is being realized there is no reason why this project should be in such a situational limbo. None whatsoever.

[citybooster]

I feel bad in a way for Jared... but right now best thing for him would be to leave Washington and politics and get the family company back on firm ground because right now, it's a disaster. He has a better shot saving his family legacy than accomplishing anything meaningful working under daddy in law President(for now) Trump.

[C.]

Just when you think things can't possibly get any worse for Kushner Co. and One Journal Square, the thread gets mysteriously locked. ROFLMAO!!

[C.]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/n...velopment.html

More news!!!


The office component has all but been eliminated to increase the number of residential units.

The changes would have to go before the planning board, but Kushner Co. disputes this fact.

Kushner Co. is planning two unrelated office buildings in Jersey City.

Kushner Co. was seeking additional subsidies from the city for Kushner 1, but the city was concerned about oversubsidize due to the change in plans.

IF built, Kushner 1 will be built in phases instead of all at once.

This is dead, in it's current form anyway.