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Old Posted Jul 3, 2024, 12:07 AM
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Getting in/out of large events has always been a hassle - I have many memories of mile long lines of packed bus after packed bus going by from Canada Days (or Bluesfest) long ago only to squish onto one and be packed in there until your destination.

They also didn't run all of the suburban buses for special events either - 9x buses, so you would be transferring from a Hurdman, Lincoln Fields or Baseline transit hub anyway (heading West / South at least).
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2024, 1:40 AM
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Well that's your loss.

You're the first person I've seen describe a one-transfer trip for Canada Day as a hassle, and across Reddit and Twitter I think that says a lot!

(Nevermind the fact that westbound buses were still running direct to the suburbs...)
Two transfers where I live. It used to be one transfer, which was satisfactory. But two transfers is now the gold standard for OC, especially when Line 2 opens.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2024, 2:54 AM
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If you thinking getting in and out of the evening events wasn't a hassle you weren't there. Sure there are huge crowds so nothing will be perfect but it's absolutely crazy they funnelled everyone to one route regardless of their destination. Meanwhile breaking the rule of crowds it also narrowed at some points causing dangerous pinch points. People pushed apart the fence at one point and wandered south through the gap.
They didn't funnel everybody onto one route. Post-fireworks there were westbound buses staged on Albert St. for routes 57, 61, 63, 74, 75, etc. while EB travellers caught Line 1 at Lyon station. Even if everyone was forced onto Line 1 I don't think that'd be an issue with proper crowd control, corralling and communication. That's the case in MTL with the grand prix and other events at Jean Drapeau where 100K+ people line up to use a single metro station to get off the island to Berri-UQAM to make their transfers. The difference is that in MTL, they use effective barriers and dozens of transit cops giving loud, concise directions to the crowd to make sure everything goes smoothly.

My gripe is with the fact that the dumbass feds who run Canada Day still think it's un-viable to use Pimisi, the most obvious option for Lebreton access. Instead, with their poor communication and half-assed signage, you have half the people trying to use Pimisi, the other half using Lyon, and people confused about why they can't walk across the Booth St bridge. It's the classic Canadian habit of overthinking something that shouldn't be so complicated.

And now Bluesfest is set to begin, where, like every year, Pimisi will be used without any issues.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2024, 2:59 AM
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The good old days when the Transitway buses went to every major suburb on Canada Day. Now it looks like one big hassle. I used to go downtown every year. Not any more.
It's puzzling that you think that the days when it was a free for all of folks pushing their way onto a haphazardly-parked bus was less of a hassle than having much higher capacity trains serving much higher capacity platforms in stations with controlled access and better crowd control opportunities. Sure, Canada Day was chaotic this year (as it is every year) but that has more to do with inept Heritage Canada officials devising a poor plan and executing it even more poorly than it does with the transit system they have at their disposal.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2024, 3:13 AM
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They didn't funnel everybody onto one route. Post-fireworks there were westbound buses staged on Albert St. for routes 57, 61, 63, 74, 75, etc. while EB travellers caught Line 1 at Lyon station. Even if everyone was forced onto Line 1 I don't think that'd be an issue with proper crowd control, corralling and communication. That's the case in MTL with the grand prix and other events at Jean Drapeau where 100K+ people line up to use a single metro station to get off the island to Berri-UQAM to make their transfers. The difference is that in MTL, they use effective barriers and dozens of transit cops giving loud, concise directions to the crowd to make sure everything goes smoothly.

My gripe is with the fact that the dumbass feds who run Canada Day still think it's un-viable to use Pimisi, the most obvious option for Lebreton access. Instead, with their poor communication and half-assed signage, you have half the people trying to use Pimisi, the other half using Lyon, and people confused about why they can't walk across the Booth St bridge. It's the classic Canadian habit of overthinking something that shouldn't be so complicated.

And now Bluesfest is set to begin, where, like every year, Pimisi will be used without any issues.
Everyone was forced to walk to Centretown West. There was only one exit on foot from Le Breton. They can't allow arrivals at Pimisi becaues they close access to the site when it reaches "capacity" The crowds are overwhelming and there wouldn't be room for keeping them on Booth. They also insist on multiple access for ambulances. Which makes sense from one perspective but a crush load of people is a larger barrier than anything else to getting help in.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2024, 3:22 AM
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Everyone was forced to walk to Centretown West. There was only one exit on foot from Le Breton. They can't allow arrivals at Pimisi becaues they close access to the site when it reaches "capacity" The crowds are overwhelming and there wouldn't be room for keeping them on Booth. They also insist on multiple access for ambulances. Which makes sense from one perspective but a crush load of people is a larger barrier than anything else to getting help in.
You could allow arrivals at Pimisi by using the station accesses on the Booth bridge as "entrance only" and forcing all passengers disembarking at Pimisi to use the stairs down from the platform level leading to the MUP that connects to Albert. From there you could direct people to Commissioner's as was the case yesterday. Or you could even let people exit from the Booth accesses but corral them south on Booth first before allowing them to make a U-turn at head towards Lebreton Flats park to create more of a buffer zone between the station and the choke point of people trying to go through security to access the controlled site. The latter is what they do at Jean Drapeau for F1 as you walk about 50m away from the circuit access point upon exiting Jean Drapeau metro station before being allowed to turn around.

In any case using Lyon wasn't the worst thing in the world, it just looks bad when you have people expecting to use Lyon because that's the info that was shared prior to Canada Day, only to see plenty of people disembarking at Pimisi on the day of and hearing people were able to use the station with no issues while everyone else went to Lyon.
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They didn't funnel everybody onto one route. Post-fireworks there were westbound buses staged on Albert St. for routes 57, 61, 63, 74, 75, etc. while EB travellers caught Line 1 at Lyon station. Even if everyone was forced onto Line 1 I don't think that'd be an issue with proper crowd control, corralling and communication. That's the case in MTL with the grand prix and other events at Jean Drapeau where 100K+ people line up to use a single metro station to get off the island to Berri-UQAM to make their transfers. The difference is that in MTL, they use effective barriers and dozens of transit cops giving loud, concise directions to the crowd to make sure everything goes smoothly.

My gripe is with the fact that the dumbass feds who run Canada Day still think it's un-viable to use Pimisi, the most obvious option for Lebreton access. Instead, with their poor communication and half-assed signage, you have half the people trying to use Pimisi, the other half using Lyon, and people confused about why they can't walk across the Booth St bridge. It's the classic Canadian habit of overthinking something that shouldn't be so complicated.

And now Bluesfest is set to begin, where, like every year, Pimisi will be used without any issues.
To your last point... in 2022 they had Booth st. blocked off about 25 meters away from Pimisi. With the full cattle pen effect going on from Wellington. Nobody knew. Why would you block Booth st with no proper signage at that juncture, as opposed to the intersection of Wellington.

I happened to be at the front of the pack as I happened to watch the fireworks from the intersection at Wellington. We had this small group of lovely guiney suited gentlemen tell a crowd of a couple thousand people we had to turn back.

Thankfully I had a couple rowdy lads with me and we said we are turning this fence over and or are are scrapping and that's it. We are going to end up in a crowd crush. It's not even up for debate bro. There are a thousand people all shuffling forward behind us with no clue that 'people?, professionals??' elected to shutter the bridge right in front of the station.

So we flipped those fences over and walked through. That was it. Me and the randos didn't even want into Pimisi. We went to the Prescott. Nobody had any clue that year they were getting cute with the bridge.

Me n the two drunkos are heroes.

The amount of fencing around Lebreton in the name of crowd control is insane. I'll never go back. This year I chilled at the chess spot and around the market and went to NP for the fireworks. Shout out to Seoul Dog and the pop up food tents!
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2024, 1:53 PM
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You could allow arrivals at Pimisi by using the station accesses on the Booth bridge as "entrance only" and forcing all passengers disembarking at Pimisi to use the stairs down from the platform level leading to the MUP that connects to Albert. From there you could direct people to Commissioner's as was the case yesterday. Or you could even let people exit from the Booth accesses but corral them south on Booth first before allowing them to make a U-turn at head towards Lebreton Flats park to create more of a buffer zone between the station and the choke point of people trying to go through security to access the controlled site. The latter is what they do at Jean Drapeau for F1 as you walk about 50m away from the circuit access point upon exiting Jean Drapeau metro station before being allowed to turn around.

In any case using Lyon wasn't the worst thing in the world, it just looks bad when you have people expecting to use Lyon because that's the info that was shared prior to Canada Day, only to see plenty of people disembarking at Pimisi on the day of and hearing people were able to use the station with no issues while everyone else went to Lyon.
I think F1 is different in that everyone is eventually getting in. For the Fireworks there might be as many people turned away watching from whatever entrance area you allow as there are people admitted. This means they can't predict how large a staging area they need and of course the Canadian attitiude to everything is assume the worst and maintain control.

I think an alternative fireworks viewing area. Perhaps the greenspace near Bayview would allow the late fireworks only arrivees an althernative location to congregate.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2024, 2:23 PM
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All major roads in and around Lebreton should have been opened to pedestrians. Both towards Gatineau and towards Ottawa.

I can understand closing the parkway behind the stage, as the fireworks staging is there. And closing the grounds to easy access, with the metal detectors and giant snaking line of dense crowds, you know, for easy pickings for potential terrorists (which still sucks compared to Canada Day 20 years ago). But closing well-known streets with MILES AND MILES of fencing is insane.

WHY is there any fencing at all east of the concert grounds? AT ALL?

Pimisi was wide open to anyone accessing from the underside, which was a nice touch compared to last year. But still, assinine to close Booth.

Turn off the friggin escalators and have people on the platforms and at the top of the stairs for crowd control, if that's what you're worried about.

After Market Days in Chicago (pride parade) about 500,000 people used the stations along the neighborhood. They're like 3' wide platforms, and the entire street, down the street, the stairs, and the platforms were PACKED with people, with no issues at all. Why can't we figure it out.

Also, a fence corral for a kilometer along wellington with no chance of escape is WAY less safe than just having a normal streetscape. What the hell are you supposed to do if there's a mass shooting event outside of the ridiculous metal detectors to get onto the concert grounds? There's triple the people outside of the venue wandering around confused, compared to those actually inside. What the hell kind of crowd safety is that supposed to be??

Like most years, I got off the train at Bayview, and walked along the tiny hallway north of the otrain tracks, between a very long fence towards the parkway/fireworks staging, and the fence for the O-Train. Along with about 5-10k other people. Its fun because the fireworks are like 100m away and it seems like you're right inside them! (bring ear protection). But again its a trap like no other, and all exits are fenced off completely, except access at Bayview and at Pimisi.

Pimisi was better than last year, with access to Commissioners along the bottom. Lots of super mad people last year who walked for seemingly miles to get to the concert grounds along Pimisi bike path, only to be turned around by a pour sap in a security guard uniform in the bowels of Under-Booth which wasn't open yet.
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After the events though, at 10pm Booth St and Pimisi were both closed which was unfortunate. Police or security were telling people to just walk back downtown and use Lyon station.
So if the Senators locate an arena in that area, is that what transit users can expect in winter? Hike it to Lyon?

Are they going to tell those going south to hike it to Dows Lake?
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So if the Senators locate an arena in that area, is that what transit users can expect in winter? Hike it to Lyon?

Are they going to tell those going south to hike it to Dows Lake?
No, Heritage Canada wont be in charge so it will work like any other big event like bluesfest, the station will be open, crowds will naturally split between Pimisi and Bayview and it will be fine.
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All major roads in and around Lebreton should have been opened to pedestrians. Both towards Gatineau and towards Ottawa.

I can understand closing the parkway behind the stage, as the fireworks staging is there. And closing the grounds to easy access, with the metal detectors and giant snaking line of dense crowds, you know, for easy pickings for potential terrorists (which still sucks compared to Canada Day 20 years ago). But closing well-known streets with MILES AND MILES of fencing is insane.

WHY is there any fencing at all east of the concert grounds? AT ALL?

Pimisi was wide open to anyone accessing from the underside, which was a nice touch compared to last year. But still, assinine to close Booth.

Turn off the friggin escalators and have people on the platforms and at the top of the stairs for crowd control, if that's what you're worried about.

After Market Days in Chicago (pride parade) about 500,000 people used the stations along the neighborhood. They're like 3' wide platforms, and the entire street, down the street, the stairs, and the platforms were PACKED with people, with no issues at all. Why can't we figure it out.

Also, a fence corral for a kilometer along wellington with no chance of escape is WAY less safe than just having a normal streetscape. What the hell are you supposed to do if there's a mass shooting event outside of the ridiculous metal detectors to get onto the concert grounds? There's triple the people outside of the venue wandering around confused, compared to those actually inside. What the hell kind of crowd safety is that supposed to be??

Like most years, I got off the train at Bayview, and walked along the tiny hallway north of the otrain tracks, between a very long fence towards the parkway/fireworks staging, and the fence for the O-Train. Along with about 5-10k other people. Its fun because the fireworks are like 100m away and it seems like you're right inside them! (bring ear protection). But again its a trap like no other, and all exits are fenced off completely, except access at Bayview and at Pimisi.

Pimisi was better than last year, with access to Commissioners along the bottom. Lots of super mad people last year who walked for seemingly miles to get to the concert grounds along Pimisi bike path, only to be turned around by a pour sap in a security guard uniform in the bowels of Under-Booth which wasn't open yet.
The amount of resources they waste to make Canada Day worse for everyone is insane. Makes me want to file an Access to Information request to see what's going on there.

Literally miles of fences that serve no purpose and don't solve anything. Have fun feeling like cattle on this joyous day!

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I was saying as I was walking along these fences, that someone is making a killing, and HOW do I open my own fence rental company?!?

This must have been all the available fence panels in Ottawa, plus 20 surrounding municipalities.

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The amount of resources they waste to make Canada Day worse for everyone is insane. Makes me want to file an Access to Information request to see what's going on there.

Literally miles of fences that serve no purpose and don't solve anything.
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I witnessed so many flared tempers and irate families with crying kids towards the late afternoon. Forcing families with young children to do the long walk from Lyon station in the hot sun was just too much for most, and the confusing directions through illogically corralled routes just added to the frustrations.
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Literally from the two arrows leaving the park at the upper left, none of the closures or arrows are needed after that, to the east.

Just indicate train stations, and tell people Lyon and Bayview are also accepting passengers due to congestion.

All the other roads should be fully open to pedestrians and closed to vehicles. No need for anything else. Maybe wayfinding maps on site for tourist families.

If the only 'secure' area with inspected bodies is Lebreton Flats Park, let that be the only fenced-in area. What's the reason for the additional crowd control along the entire route? Claridge Condo people not wanting pedestrians? Simple, put up a local fence.

Poopers in the Preston Neighbourhoods, like during past Bluesfests? Simple, a half dozen portapotties at the base of the booth street bridge. Or whatever Bluesfest had come up with to cover the animals who leave Bluesfest.

So much cheaper than 30km of fence rental.



I'd like a full inquiry and access to the Consultant's report on the site planning, including information on changes requested by Heritage and the decision making process (or lack thereof) that led down this inescapable rabbit hole (literally and figuratively)
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Can Canada Day in Ottawa Be Improved?

Canada Day planning for LeBreton seems to me to be flawed.

Here is the Heritage Canada set-up (from their Canada Day Webpage):



OK, a first look says that a lot of the area is off-limits to the public. That tells me that there is very limited ‘close-up’ public viewing of the Fireworks from the west, south, and east. At best, standing along Albert, or on the north side of the Ottawa River would seem to give the best views. (I recall getting covered in dye spots from standing right under the fireworks at Andrew Haydon Park. Ah, the care-free good-olde days.)

A bit more detailed look gives this:



This makes me wonder how much thought was put into the site design.

Most theaters have a widening field for spectators as you get further from the stage. Not here. The stage was put at the wide end of the field. With the lighting block in the middle of the field (in black, above), the stage views are limited to the red areas, above. This seems very odd.

Having the stage in the west-south-west also means that the setting sun will be in the eyes of the spectators.

Look at where the fireworks are being set off. Yes, they are up in the air, but the stage effectively blocks the view of anything low. People can bunch up close to the stage, for a view of the concert, OR see the full fireworks – but not both.

And, as noted by MANY, access to the site is very restricted.

Since we are looking at the Canada Day celebration happening at LeBreton for at least the next 6 years, what about spending a bit of money to make them great?

Here are some of my ideas:

Use the NCC land south of Wellington Street, west of Booth Street, for the main concert area. Yup, it has been sitting unused, as a rocky expanse for decades. There doesn’t need to be a grass surface. Sweep the rocks, drill in some tall posts with ‘sail’-type parasols, and put the stage along the aqueduct edge. Chip some of the steps into ramps, if necessary, and fill holes with concrete. This will give a huge spectator area. I doubt that the NCC has anything better to do with the land before 2035. Ottawa Bluesfest, CityFolk, Ottawa Jazz Festival, and other outdoor concerts could also use the set-up.

Having the stage face (mostly) north also gets rid of the setting sun problem. And people could simply turn to their right to watch the Canada Day fireworks.

The area between Wellington and Vimy Place, could be repurposed for attractions that used to be at Major’s Hill (formerly Colonel’s Hill). Hasn’t anyone else missed the Giant Tiger train, the Chicken Farmers BBQ, and the little stage down the hill that always had the comedy and high-diver shows? (Although, I would really prefer that Major’s Hill (formerly Colonel’s Hill) be revived as a Canada Day attraction location, adding in the new Kiweki Point facility.)

As for access; I suggest that it become MUCH less restrictive. That doesn’t mean that it needs to becomes much less safe.

Although Booth Street would allow pedestrians on the south-bound side, the north-bound side would remain for emergency vehicles. The same would apply to the section that crosses the Ottawa River. Pedestrians should have access to the western lanes. Wellington and Kichi Zibi Mikan would be much less crowded with pedestrians, so would also be available to emergency vehicles.

The biggest expense, I imagine, would be to ADD A FULL TRACH SWITCH EAST OF PIMISI (likely in the straight stretch between the curves between Pimisi and Lyon. This allows east-bound trains to load at Pimisi from either platform. These trains would NOT TRAVEL WEST OF PIMISI. In fact, there would be no trains traveling between Pimisi and Bayview stations.

Between Bayview and Tunney’s Pasture stations, there could be two trains running, one on each track, back and forth to move people to the buses at Tunney’s Pasture. Yes, this is a 1-stop trip, but it is a fast way to get people out of the LeBreton area, and there is lots of bus staging space within Tunney’s Pasture. (HINT: expand outside of the station and use roads within the campus for additional stops.) Once the train extends west of Tunney’s Pasture, a full switch should be added just west of Bayview Station so that either platform could also be used for loading west-bound trains. Still no trains would travel between Bayview and Pimisi – the train lines (1 & 3) would be broken into two, with western trains and eastern trains.

With no trains traveling between Pimisi and Bayview, the fences can have gates added so that people can walk across the tracks on the Preston Street extension path. (Maybe the gates could swing ‘in’ to form a barrier, preventing folks from walking along the tracks.) Those heading south, on the Trillium Line, could stay north of the tracks, on the NCC’s MUP that leads to the lower level of Bayview station. Those with mobility aids would also use the MUP to avoid the hill on Albert.

Also for those using mobility aids, a south-eastern exit to the lower (heritage) Booth Street Bridge would allow access to an elevator at Pimisi Station, to avoid the climb up Booth to Pimisi.



So, Yes, there would need to be some money spent, but the alternative is the status quo – which many, including myself, feel is wholly inadequate.
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Use the NCC land south of Wellington Street, west of Booth Street, for the main concert area. Yup, it has been sitting unused, as a rocky expanse for decades. There doesn’t need to be a grass surface. Sweep the rocks, drill in some tall posts with ‘sail’-type parasols, and put the stage along the aqueduct edge. Chip some of the steps into ramps, if necessary, and fill holes with concrete. This will give a huge spectator area. I doubt that the NCC has anything better to do with the land before 2035. Ottawa Bluesfest, CityFolk, Ottawa Jazz Festival, and other outdoor concerts could also use the set-up.

Half of this area is currently in the final stages of a lease agreement for the next phase of Lebreton Flats, probably shovels in the ground within the next two years


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With no trains traveling between Pimisi and Bayview, the fences can have gates added so that people can walk across the tracks on the Preston Street extension path. (Maybe the gates could swing ‘in’ to form a barrier, preventing folks from walking along the tracks.) Those heading south, on the Trillium Line, could stay north of the tracks, on the NCC’s MUP that leads to the lower level of Bayview station. Those with mobility aids would also use the MUP to avoid the hill on Albert.

A pedestrian bridge is planned in the shorter term, would probably be better to just fund this early than open the can of worms that is letting people cross the tracks.
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I might be wrong but aren't the installations shared with Bluesfest and specifically setup for Bluesfest?
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re-aligning the LRT is absolutely not on. Nor is it required. Simply chill out a bit while maintaining safety. Additional areas to watch the fireworks and allow pedestrians to disperse in every direction. A lot of the fences are there to not allow people to rush into the prime viewing areas. They could be opened as the fireworks end. Allowing the chaudiere bridge to the North, Wellington to the West and half of Booth to the South would solve most of the exit problems.

I think the arrival part is tricky as they need more of a buffer area but alternate viewing areas would solve most of that.
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I like these ideas

Can't the stage be located on the east end of the park, delete the backdrop completely, so that the Peace Tower IS the backdrop, thru the stage. Keep lighting rigs and everything the same. Although it might be the hall of cost monument as the backdrop.

Note: The fireworks were set off from the parkway roadbed, about 200m east of whatever the hell the road is called that intersects the Parkway (Slidell/Burnside/Bayview/Onigam). Approximately just west of the bike path underpass on the parkway, a.k.a. due north of Bayview Station.

The biggest missing piece is a continuous pedestrian connection from Preston to Vimy. This could be corrected in the short term for greatness. I can't help but think that an underpass would be better than an overpass...

Another note, the fireworks were weird this year. There was a huge plume of ground-level smoke that was really thick and not associated with the actual sky-exploding fireworks. It was also a little brown. Is there really this much smoke from the ground charges?

Then at the 11 minute mark, the fireworks had an intermission of about 30 seconds, followed by a (mostly) clear finale. People had started walking away when they started up again.

Did something happen on the ground we don't know about? A fire perhaps?

The entire day was timed to the minute, and the fireworks ended after only 12 minutes, not the indicated 15 minutes.
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