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Old Posted Jun 12, 2022, 3:16 PM
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I tried to update the title of the thread, but there's a word count limit:

Eastgate Square Mall Redevelopment | ?m | 10 x 6 fl, 15 fl, 16 fl, 2 x 18 fl, 4 x 20 fl, 24 fl, 2 x 25 fl, 37 fl & 42 fl | Proposed

Since it won't all fit into the title, I figured this would suffice:

Eastgate Square Mall Redevelopment | ?m | 6 fl to 42 fl | Planning

I'm open to any suggestions.
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2022, 8:12 PM
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I tried to update the title of the thread, but there's a word count limit:

Eastgate Square Mall Redevelopment | ?m | 10 x 6 fl, 15 fl, 16 fl, 2 x 18 fl, 4 x 20 fl, 24 fl, 2 x 25 fl, 37 fl & 42 fl | Proposed

Since it won't all fit into the title, I figured this would suffice:

Eastgate Square Mall Redevelopment | ?m | 6 fl to 42 fl | Planning

I'm open to any suggestions.
I think that works. I looked at how Urban Toronto does it, and I think a range makes more sense than just having the tallest building listed in the title.
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5100+ units. Now that's some density!
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Honestly, that level of density feels like it would work for a subway line. It feels like it could overload LRT.

I wonder if it will also feed the GO trains to downtown?
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Honestly, that level of density feels like it would work for a subway line. It feels like it could overload LRT.

I wonder if it will also feed the GO trains to downtown?
Overloading LRT would be a good problem to have. They'd have to purchase more trains and run them more frequently
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Overloading LRT would be a good problem to have. They'd have to purchase more trains and run them more frequently

Off topic, but I'd say its pretty easy to make the case the LRT should have been a subway or light metro.
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Off topic, but I'd say its pretty easy to make the case the LRT should have been a subway or light metro.
Hamilton is too small to have a subway and it would be seen as cost prohibitive.

The LRT will be quick if given priority signalling. I've ridden the ion in Kitchener-Waterloo recently (May) and never felt it was too slow, for example.
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Hamilton is too small to have a subway and it would be seen as cost prohibitive.

The LRT will be quick if given priority signalling. I've ridden the ion in Kitchener-Waterloo recently (May) and never felt it was too slow, for example.
I felt it was slow when it was going 15km/h for some reason on grade separated rails...
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Hamilton is too small to have a subway and it would be seen as cost prohibitive.

The LRT will be quick if given priority signalling. I've ridden the ion in Kitchener-Waterloo recently (May) and never felt it was too slow, for example.
I want to agree that the ION isn’t slow, but it is. I’m a student in Waterloo and ride it quite regularly. While the non-street running sections are fast, the line turns into a streetcar in uptown and downtown with lots of sharp turns and a couple loops, which unfortunately keeps it as fast as a good bus route.

I’ll admit that saying a subway in Hamilton makes sense is a stretch. Firstly, I think it comes down to the density of the lower city both past and present. Despite years of outflow, Hamilton’s prewar lower city is large and nearly as dense as old Toronto. It begs the question, what does a fully repopulated and infilled lower Hamilton look like?

Furthermore, KW is a sprawling postwar city. And yet, their LRT works as it is built upon a feeder bus network, not necessarily walk-up density to drive ridership. If we are serious about BLAST, then we are going to have high capacity feeder routes pouring onto the B-line. However, B-line assumes the precedent of HSRs poor service. Our future feeder routes will be of nearly equal capacity to our trunk line, particularly the A, T & S lines. So, we will have a corridor built for primarily serving lower Hamilton being burgeoned by a disproportionately high capacity feeder network, unlike the relationships seen between feeders and trunks on GRT and the TTC.

It becomes clear that it is hard to get an LRT to fulfill the walk-up needs of the lower city and the transfer needs of the rest of the city. Let’s not forget most of the LRT money isn’t for the LRT itself though; it’s for the utilities underneath to support growth. If we are already spending billions to rip up King, we might as well put our transit underneath/above it too. The marginal cost may not be too great, and it should have at least been studied by metrolinx. Let’s not forget that there is a historical precedent for higher order transit in Hamilton, whether it be the 1950s subway plan or the 1970s ICTS that only ran to the mountain.
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Honestly, that level of density feels like it would work for a subway line. It feels like it could overload LRT.

I wonder if it will also feed the GO trains to downtown?
With as much parking as is proposed? Not a chance. I'd bet maybe 25% of the people in this development will ride the LRT once a week or more.

I know people that buy out in these types of areas with car dominated areas and car dominated developments. They scoff at taking the streetcar.
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Honestly, that level of density feels like it would work for a subway line. It feels like it could overload LRT.

I wonder if it will also feed the GO trains to downtown?
There's the Confederation Go station 1.8km from this Eastgate 5100+ unit redevelopment. Too far to walk to catch the train if you're hoping to ride it into the GTA, but too short to sit back and let people drive from their homes in this development to the Go parking lot. Hamilton's LRT doesn't connect to either Hunter or West Harbour. This development demonstrates the opportunity to connect LRT to Lakeshore West after all, by moving the East terminus of the LRT from Eastgate up to Confederation by adding one stop.
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There's the Confederation Go station 1.8km from this Eastgate 5100+ unit redevelopment. Too far to walk to catch the train if you're hoping to ride it into the GTA, but too short to sit back and let people drive from their homes in this development to the Go parking lot. Hamilton's LRT doesn't connect to either Hunter or West Harbour. This development demonstrates the opportunity to connect LRT to Lakeshore West after all, by moving the East terminus of the LRT from Eastgate up to Confederation by adding one stop.
They could even add 2 stops, perchance. One at Barton and another at Confederation GO. Those parking lots at Centennial and Barton will get developed and the #2 line could add as a feeder to the LRT.
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Yeah I really don't think this'll come anywhere near "overloading" the LRT. A lot of the people living in these condos will probably be commuting to somewhere that isn't near the LRT line. If anything it'll probably create more ridership for the Confederation GO station up the street which might hurry along the implementation of the HSR S Line. If I were the HSR, I'd be planning for this to happen in the next 5 years at least as a BRT-lite service similar to the current A Line Express. The 44 Rymal bus route has picked up quite a bit of ridership in the last few years itself.
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The S Line is planned to be an LRT line at some point in the next 25-30 years so if they were to add a stub line from Eastgate to Conferderation, they could at least make it part of the S Line later. Would be a lot more useful than the stub on James North would have been and much easier to construct.
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Confederation GO Station area could be next place to live, work, play.
News Nov 26, 2019


This old article ties in with it predicting what is now in the major works.
https://www.hamiltonnews.com/news-st...ive-work-play/
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Confederation GO Station area could be next place to live, work, play.
News Nov 26, 2019


This old article ties in with it predicting what is now in the major works.
https://www.hamiltonnews.com/news-st...ive-work-play/
Collins touched on Burlington's stations, but it's taken decades for notable quantities of residential units to be built near them, and the only commercial development I can think of is the Walmart west of Burlington GO (debateable whether commuters flock there, at least more than to any of the other larger retailers along Brant or Fairview)

The advantage the Confederation site has is its near established retail that's ripe for re-imagining and land that can be intensified for more living space, which is already happening regardless of the station.

High time that station gets built though.

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Confederation GO has been stuck in limbo forever with no clear start date. It's very frustrating for me, as it would be the closest station to me.
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