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Old Posted Apr 27, 2022, 3:07 AM
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Is this available for viewing after. ? Always good to see how consultants bite their tongues amongst NIMBY's .

https://twitter.com/DeanTester/status/1519117542874398722
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That was an absolutely disgusting read.
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As a local resident- pretty embarrassing. I had to drop off the meeting before the public comments started, but the proposal seems eminently reasonable to me.
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I'm also curious if it's possible to watch a recording of the council meeting after the fact. Having lived in Nunavut for a few years, services and facilities such as Larga Baffin are desperately needed. The comment in particular during the meeting complaining about "being here first" when voicing opposition to an Inuit organization was extremely tone deaf.
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I'm also curious if it's possible to watch a recording of the council meeting after the fact. Having lived in Nunavut for a few years, services and facilities such as Larga Baffin are desperately needed. The comment in particular during the meeting complaining about "being here first" when voicing opposition to an Inuit organization was extremely tone deaf.
That and the water pressure comment.

Blatantly racist behaviour from both residents and the Councillor, who wants to become Mayor to boot.
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I feel kind of bad I've been reading this thread title as Large Baffin since its creation. I only noticed it was Larga yesterday when Dean pointed out his misspelling.
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I submitted some comments in support of the project through DevApps and cc'd it to Diane Deans. Not sure if it will do any good but hopefully many others have voiced their support. First time submitting anything through DevApps - it's unfortunate that the only options seem to be about concerns - would be nice if there was an option to voice your support rather than complain about traffic, noise, etc.
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Is this available for viewing after. ? Always good to see how consultants bite their tongues amongst NIMBY's .

https://twitter.com/DeanTester/status/1519117542874398722
Didn't see a recording of the meeting, but here is the "we are here first" clip
https://twitter.com/DeanTester/status/1519139010324664322
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Didn't see a recording of the meeting, but here is the "we are here first" clip
https://twitter.com/DeanTester/status/1519139010324664322
Did they start the meeting by acknowledging that the land on which they were gathered on is traditional and unceded territory?
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The reddit community is generally not NIMBY dominated.
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I received the following email response from Deans/her office after submitting comments through DevApps:

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Good afternoon,

Thank you for taking the time to express your support for the proposed Larga Baffin development.

I agree with you that the services that Larga Baffin provides are needed. Living in Ottawa, we are fortunate to have access to high quality health care services. All Canadians should be equally entitled to this access.

Three years ago I was diagnosed with cancer and underwent chemotherapy at the Ottawa Hospital. This was a traumatic event in my life, but I drew strength from the community who were incredibly supportive. I can’t even imagine having to travel far away from my home, family and community to receive lifesaving treatment.

It is my role, as the member of Council for Gloucester-Southgate Ward, to scrutinize every planning application in my constituency. In this case, there are legitimate planning concerns that need to be addressed as part of this process and I will be advocating for changes to the Larga Baffin proposal.

However, it appears that my position on this file has been misconstrued. Let me be clear, while I oppose the application in its current form, I am not in opposition of Larga Baffin locating on this site.

The meeting that was held last night was the first opportunity that impacted residents have had to raise their concerns regarding this development in a public forum. I firmly support and encourage public engagement in the planning process. Having said that, there were comments made at the meeting that supported racist and NIMBYist rhetoric, and I reject these remarks.

Again, I appreciate you sharing your support for this application. As the file moves forward, I will continue to work with the applicant, city staff, and the community to ensure that all legitimate planning issues are addressed. My goal is to achieve a positive outcome for both the community and Larga Baffin in recognition that this will be a long-term relationship.

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Heaven forbid this woman lose value off of a home she likely bought in the 80s for 150k
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Larga Baffin proposal creates community tension as need increases for Inuit health care
Planning committee to consider zoning for medical boarding home on Hunt Club

Sara Frizzell · CBC News
Posted: Jun 23, 2022 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 4 hours ago


A proposal to create the first purpose-built medical boarding home in Ottawa for Inuit met a force of local opposition, and with the city's planning committee set to vote on the development, arguments over land-use planning will run headlong into concerns that some in the community don't value Inuit health care.

A new building for Larga Baffin, a boarding home for Inuit attending medical appointments in Ottawa, is slated for Hunt Club Road and Sieveright Avenue. The current location on Richmond Road is regularly overcapacity, with staff booking additional patients in local hotel rooms.

The planning firm described the project as akin to the Ronald McDonald House, with guests sometimes coming for short stays to see a specialist, while others stay several months to receive treatment for more involved procedures.

An application for an amendment for the new facility to increase the building's height by an additional four metres in some places and two storeys in others is set to go before planning committee on Thursday.

City staff will recommend that the changes to the official plan go ahead, but note in their report that 350 comments were collected in the consultation process — 100 in favour of the proposal and 250 against.

In a summary of the comments received, staff noted there was "great concern" about increased crime and drug use, along with worries about loitering and decreasing property values as a result of the facility.

"Residents believe the facility caters to an audience outside Ottawa and does not benefit the community directly," the report said.

Coun. Diane Deans, who represents the ward where the building will go, said she's opposed to it "in its current form."

In April, Deans held a public meeting that nearly 300 people attended virtually with many against the project raising concerns from increased traffic to "unlawful activities" to Nunavut's high smoking rates and as a result the need for more parkland to accommodate tenants.

One neighbour, who identified herself only as Madalaine on the Zoom call, was concerned the building would affect water pressure for the homes that border the proposed property.

"We are here first," she told the meeting.

Other residents concerned about increased traffic said the location wasn't right for Inuit because it was already on a busy road.

Harry Flaherty, board chair of Larga Baffin Ltd., said at the meeting this facility is necessary as it is the only means available for Inuit from Nunavut to access medical services.

"My goal is to ensure that this facility, in its final form, is compatible with the existing residential neighbourhoods and that community concerns are addressed," Deans said in the staff report to planning committee.

Deans declined an interview, but in an email to CBC, said she acknowledges the merit of the facility, but its importance isn't relevant to the land use concerns she is passing along to planning committee.

"We are proud to host these types of facilities in our city and in our communities," she said.

Katherine Takpannie's mother is one of those Nunavut residents. She's currently admitted to an Ottawa hospital, but has stayed at Larga Baffin when getting her knees replaced and while seeking treatment for a brain tumour.

Takpannie, an artist who lives in Ottawa, was alerted to the meeting when comments from it were live-tweeted and shared widely within the Inuit community.

"I can feel my nervous system and I can feel my blood rising," Takpannie said just recalling the meeting. "There were a lot of misguided and racist comments."

For Takpannie the not-in-my-backyard pushback is another discriminatory barrier limiting Inuit access to adequate health care.

Takpannie recently gained access to her mother's medical records and found comments where her mother was "confused as a drunk" though she's been sober 25 years and helping other Inuit in her job with the government of Nunavut.

"If you are Indigenous it's all very subtle … microaggressions, but they're not micro and they're very aggressive," she said.

She also pointed to several studies, including one from Tunngasugit Inuit, which called on the city to do more to combat the fact that Inuit who get treatment in Ottawa have significantly worse health outcomes.

When Manitok Thompson, an Inuit advocate who also works as a pastor at Larga Baffin, heard about the plans she started dreaming.

Thinking of mothers in the city for cancer treatment with their young kids, she wanted a playground and a library and a sewing room for those families.

"It's a different world altogether. And for you to be comfortable somewhere would help a lot … that will ease the loneliness and the homesickness."

Thompson said she was shocked to hear some of the comments made at the meeting and called racism "old-fashioned."

"We're just another human being. Some of us have problems. Some of us don't. But we are not one blob of a problem," she said. "We're not here to make anybody uncomfortable. We're just here because we're in pain."

The number one concern from residents is traffic, according to Bill McCurdy, whose firm Creva Group Ltd. does project management work for Larga Baffin.

"We're actually minimizing traffic impacts and certainly providing a nice buffer between the residential neighbourhoods," McCurdy said.

By the fact that they are coming from Nunavut, all Larga Baffin's clients fly into Ottawa. They are then shuttled to their appointments in Larga vehicles.

Currently the land has warehouses, a garage and car dealership on it, which he said likely generate more traffic than Larga will.

McCurdy said Larga Baffin, which is currently on Richmond Road, has a good relationship with its neighbours.

There were "growing pains," when they moved into the building that had been a retirement home, but the issues were rectified. Concerns about residents smoking on the sidewalk were addressed when a smoking area was built on the property.

Though the particulars of the site plan will be determined after the zoning is confirmed, the new building is set to have 220 rooms, with 350 beds, a kitchen and community space for tenants as well as a landscaped outdoor area.

If the zoning application is approved the building is expected to be completed in the next three to five years.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/larga-baffin-rezoning-hunt-club-1.6491673
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2022, 12:24 PM
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"Residents believe the facility caters to an audience outside Ottawa and does not benefit the community directly,"
Very capitalist take on things. "What's in it for me". "Not my problem you're poor/live in an underserved community/sick/disabled...)
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I loved the shoutout to the NIMBY term and the quote from a nearby resident "We are here first".

Surely you weren't the first one to establish in the area Karen, there were others before you. Should your move to the area have been blocked because there were others before you? haha
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There is no transit close to the location. It is a significant walk to the closest bus stop.
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There is no transit close to the location. It is a significant walk to the closest bus stop.
This is just not true. The site has frontage on Hunt Club. Route 98 is available at Hunt Club and Cahill- 100m away.

EDIT: I will also add that there is a potential for a pedestrian connection through the site to facilitate an easier walk to transit for other residents in Upper Hunt Club. The current walking route is via Monet Crt: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/45.35553...34cd622!2m2!1d-75.636953!2d45.357841!3e2
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2022, 4:27 PM
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There is no transit close to the location. It is a significant walk to the closest bus stop.
Bus shuttles are provided to the hospitals through the facility. Public transit not required (employees aside).
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2022, 7:25 PM
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The NIMBYs here are a disgrace. They really are horrible people. "We were here first", what a disgusting statement.

Not what Canada is about, and shouldn't be moving forward. The indigenous deserve better treatment and this would be one step towards that. They deserve this and they should get it. And hey, if there's downtime in patients there, maybe it can be utilized for emergency responses? I would gladly appreciate that if I lived in the area. Even if it didnt, it should still be welcomed. It is a need, and this better get built. I don't like the design of the building but that means nothing to how many people this could benefit.
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