58 York Boulevard | 95m | 28 fl | Proposed

[TheHonestMaple]

Wow. Things are certainly about to kick off in this area....

[TheRitsman]

Originally Posted by urban_planner

I don't think I saw this posted elsewhere. I came across this on the development mapping.

FILE_NUM PSR-23-010
FILE_TYPE Preliminary Site Plan Review
ADDRESS 58 YORK BLVD
FILE_YEAR 2023
DESCRIPTION To construct a 28 storey mixed-use building with a 4 storey podium. A maximum height of 95 metres is proposed.

Really glad to see that. If there's a single spot in the city that could use density without issues it would be right here. Glad another parking lot is proposed to be redeveloped again right beside all the things that need help, FOC, Jackson Square, and walking distance to a future LRT stop. Perfect spot for redevelopment.

[TheHonestMaple]

I guess the title can be changed to:

58 York Blvd | 95.0 m | 28 fl | Proposed

[johnnyhamont]

Anyone know who the developer here is?

[Hawrylyshyn]

[downtown_eddie_brown]

Nice pictures, anyway. Was there any more discussion around the Sally Anne moving, or are they waiting for a developer to back up the money truck?

[matt602]

Oooh I like this one a lot. Lots of other parking lots in that area that could use a similar project.

[TheHonestMaple]

Originally Posted by downtown_eddie_brown

Nice pictures, anyway. Was there any more discussion around the Sally Anne moving, or are they waiting for a developer to back up the money truck?

No word on that yet. Couldn't come sooner though. That area is looking grim at the moment.

[craftbeerdad]

They'll just move it into Ward 3, as Nrinder's doing her best to making housing affordable everywhere in Ward 3!

I'm a pretty open minded person, but the amount of people who smoke crack or whatever in the open is approaching cigarette level acceptability. Ah well, Hamilton's nailing the tourist vibes!

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by craftbeerdad

They'll just move it into Ward 3

It really is the easiest solution. Another facility/home for people with special needs in this ward? Sure! We have plenty already... one more won't hurt a bit. (EDIT: I'm not directing sarcasm at you... it's based on the political/social perspectives in this town)

I suppose the north end of Ward 2 could be considered as well. But then CN may have a beef with that idea.

[downtown_eddie_brown]

ideally we'd have a national homelessness strategy that wasn't f*cking poison to their surroundings (housing first, ie services go to people instead of people to services), but absent that, downtown cores have had 70+ years of being services hubs, its time to relocate to share the load a bit. Unfortunately, the current trend is the load being shared to the nearest, cheapest area to the existing service hub; The City really should be moving it as far from the LRT as possible while still being central, like up on Concession.

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by downtown_eddie_brown

ideally we'd have a national homelessness strategy that wasn't f*cking poison to their surroundings (housing first, ie services go to people instead of people to services), but absent that, downtown cores have had 70+ years of being services hubs, its time to relocate to share the load a bit. Unfortunately, the current trend is the load being shared to the nearest, cheapest area to the existing service hub; The City really should be moving it as far from the LRT as possible while still being central, like up on Concession.

I suspect that if the root demographics of "homelessness" and "substance dependency" could be tracked, it would be about the same for all areas.

But let's not dare disperse facilities evenly across our geography.

This really should be a provincial (and probably national) responsibility but it's one thing that will likely never be uploaded from municipal hands.

[TheHonestMaple]

Definitely should be a federal responsibility, but the current governing party has absolutely no interest in helping these people - by bringing back law and order and providing treatment. Instead they literally want to give drug addicts more drugs. No wonder most of our downtowns resemble a zombie apocalypse.

[downtown_eddie_brown]

Originally Posted by TheHonestMaple

Definitely should be a federal responsibility, but the current governing party has absolutely no interest in helping these people - by bringing back law and order and providing treatment. Instead they literally want to give drug addicts more drugs. No wonder most of our downtowns resemble a zombie apocalypse.

criminalizing drugs does nothing to diminish drug use. addicts need access to same-day voluntary treatment and rehab, which is much cheaper to taxpayers than prisons, and actually works.

[TheHonestMaple]

Originally Posted by downtown_eddie_brown

criminalizing drugs does nothing to diminish drug use. addicts need access to same-day voluntary treatment and rehab, which is much cheaper to taxpayers than prisons, and actually works.

Voluntary treatment simply doesn't work. Unfortunately these people are so far gone that they would rather die to get their next fix than literally anything else. The only solution is involuntary treatment. This has worked well in Portugal. Unfortunately we allow ideological activists to run the policy over here, rather than level headed people.

I hope at the very least that this development puts pressure on The Good Shepherd to close and relocate. This location is not suitable any longer.

[downtown_eddie_brown]

Originally Posted by TheHonestMaple

This has worked well in Portugal.

Portugal decriminalized possession of small amounts of all drugs and massively expanded mental health and addiction rehab facilities. It's definitely the model to follow. Good article about the Portuguese model, https://thetyee.ca/News/2023/07/26/N...From-Portugal/

[TheHonestMaple]

Originally Posted by downtown_eddie_brown

Portugal decriminalized possession of small amounts of all drugs and massively expanded mental health and addiction rehab facilities. It's definitely the model to follow. Good article about the Portuguese model, https://thetyee.ca/News/2023/07/26/N...From-Portugal/

totally agree. They have special drug addiction tribunals where addicts are given a choice between jail time or forced medical treatment. That's what we need here. Letting sick people walk around the streets in a state of psychosis should not be an option.

[downtown_eddie_brown]

Originally Posted by TheHonestMaple

totally agree. They have special drug addiction tribunals where addicts are given a choice between jail time or forced medical treatment. That's what we need here. Letting sick people walk around the streets in a state of psychosis should not be an option.

Not sure about that. From the article,

Johns says his time in Portugal has also helped dispel some myths he’s heard about the Portugal model, like how there’s mandatory treatment or how people can go to jail if they refuse treatment.

“The Portuguese officials were very clear with me: not a single person has gone to jail by not going to treatment,” he says.

A police officer can assign someone to a “dissuasion committee” with a member of the judiciary, a health-care worker and social worker. They help connect you with resources so it’s more about creating connections and ensuring patients are aware of what resources are available to them, he says.

[TheHonestMaple]

Originally Posted by downtown_eddie_brown

Not sure about that. From the article,

Correct, a dissuasion committee - of which the offender has zero say on. They have to go. We don't have any such program here. We just allow drug addicts to carry on doing the self destructive thing they do. It's sad. Forced intervention is the only option.

[downtown_eddie_brown]

Originally Posted by TheHonestMaple

Correct, a dissuasion committee - of which the offender has zero say on. They have to go. We don't have any such program here. We just allow drug addicts to carry on doing the self destructive thing they do. It's sad. Forced intervention is the only option.

It's not "forced"; addicts are just given a path and resources to recovery. Much more humane, and treats addicts as people.

Portugal has a much more self-driven process where patients decide what they want, Johns says.

Forced treatment doesn’t work, he says.