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Originally Posted by Klazu
I am not sure why you are jumping to attack a person rather than making your counter-argument on the matter itself? When I was in school, we were told that attacking the persona rather than the matter at hand, is always a sign of weakness in one's ability to reason with proper argumentation.
To be sure that I am not confused, though, I did also check the dictionary for the meaning of the word you tried putting in my mouth. To my confusion, the definition doesn't include working hard in school and working hard for what you have being part of the definition, so I am not sure what you are trying to say?
Coming from Europe where there is a wealth of history everywhere, I embrace history and what it can tell us. Some of it is bad but all of it is fascinating. I think learning about the history can really help us avoid bad things in the future as there is no changing the past. To that argument, I find removing history by removing statues etc can hide the dangerous things that have happened and make the society more prone to repeat past mistakes.
I was planning on visiting Egypt this year, but of course had to change my plans. Whenever I finally get there, I won't start pulling down statues of long gone pharaohs on something that happened long time ago. Instead, I will try to learn about their time and what drove them to do such things, to be able to better reason when dangerous examples start manifesting in current times. |
Exactly, people can't differentiate between the pursuit of justice in the current times and wanton destruction of private/private property, history and landmark.
When I was in Belgium beginning of the year, the day guide talked about the evil deeds of the "great" King Leopold and how he decimated Congo, which made Belgium wealthy in the first place, and that happened in front of the palaces and statues commissioned by Leopold. People should recognize a dark part of one's history despite having the remnants of it sitting around, which is highly commendable.
As for here, if people hate the British colonization of this land and take the blame on Captain Vancouver, then they should not be a hypocrite and have themselves removed from this City and country, as they are also benefiting from the colonization of this land. If you want to take that further, then the First Nations People should also leave since technically they also colonized the land when they came from Asia. Only native animals should remain, or should they since many also came from somewhere else? Recognizing the wrongs of the past is one thing, but destroying anything you don't agree on just because of hate is nothing but an act bordering anarchy.
With that said, it is important to note also that racism against people of colour, particularly recently and more profoundly the Asian population of this city is real. In recent years, this mostly stems from an innocent blame on rich property speculators that quickly escalated to target all Asians in the City, largely due to envy and jealousy. Many in this forum are also guilty of that. More recently, the Coronavirus pandemic brought even more racists out of the woodwork to openly attack those who belong in the demographic. Shameful indeed.
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