Is it right to have race preferences in politics/policies

[GenWhy?]

"today the site is jointly owned by the Musqueam Indian Band, Squamish Nation and Tsleil-Waututh Nation (MST Nations) and Canada Lands Company (CLC)."

Also useful to know.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by misher

That statement was meant as an example, I have no idea if its true.

misher in a nutshell right here.

[misher]

Originally Posted by Porfiry

What is the extent of the government support? The article states that the city issued permits, but that's normal. Is public taxpayer money being invested in construction and operation? What is the investment by the First Nations?

I assume from this that its BC Housing funded

BC Housing has selected Lu’ma Native Housing Society as the nonprofit housing operator.

I believe the land was jointly owned by the city and First Nations

The site was formerly home to the RCMP Division ‘E’ Headquarters, today the site is jointly owned by the Musqueam Indian Band, Squamish Nation and Tsleil-Waututh Nation (MST Nations) and Canada Lands Company (CLC)

If First Nations footed the whole bill I wouldn't raise any complaint. I'm just against it if its taxpayer money footing a good chunk of it. I'm also suspicious of this being another reward that the NDP hands out to its supporters similar to how it hires unions that donated to them. I found the Lu’Ma Native Housing Society who was hired to run this listed as one of the bargaining units along with the NDP on https://moveuptogether.ca/bulletin/e...laneous-group/ and of course "MoveUP represents support staff at the BC NDP Provincial Office. The BC NDP is a social democratic political party in British Columbia." I lack the knowledge to thoroughly investigate this connection though.

Maybe similar to how the NDP is hiring only the unions that supported them for big projects, there hiring societies that supported them for BC Housing? I have little evidence of this so I'm not making any statements.

[Porfiry]

Originally Posted by misher

If First Nations footed the whole bill I wouldn't raise any complaint. I'm just against it if its taxpayer money footing a good chunk of it.

I appreciate and agree with that, but unless we know the actual contributions this is a pointless discussion.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by misher

I assume from this that its BC Housing funded

I believe the land was jointly owned by the city and First Nations

It isn't. As stated above by several posters, the site is jointly owned by the Musqueam Indian Band, Squamish Nation and Tsleil-Waututh Nation (MST Nations) and Canada Lands Company (CLC). Canada Lands is a federal agency. The city has no role in this particular example of temporary modular housing, other than approving the permit for the building.

The provincial government are providing funds for the building, just as they are for a series of other projects with similar units across BC. Each of them will be run by a different non-profit. In this case they chose Lu’Ma Native Housing Society, which makes sense given the ownership of the land, which will be developed with permanent leasehold and rental housing in future.

[misher]

Originally Posted by Changing City

It isn't. As stated above by several posters, the site is jointly owned by the Musqueam Indian Band, Squamish Nation and Tsleil-Waututh Nation (MST Nations) and Canada Lands Company (CLC). Canada Lands is a federal agency. The city has no role in this particular example of temporary modular housing, other than approving the permit for the building.

The provincial government are providing funds for the building, just as they are for a series of other projects with similar units across BC. Each of them will be run by a different non-profit. In this case they chose Lu’Ma Native Housing Society, which makes sense given the ownership of the land, which will be developed with permanent leasehold and rental housing in future.

Ugh my bad, I always see city/government as the same thing so I was not careful with my words.

Cough cough, while I am not 100% sure of this, it likely helped that the Lu'Ma Native Housing Society is a member of a group that is allied to the NDP.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by misher

Ugh my bad, I always see city/government as the same thing so I was not careful with my words.

Cough cough, while I am not 100% sure of this, it likely helped that the Lu'Ma Native Housing Society is a member of a group that is allied to the NDP.

It's good that you're not 100% sure of it, because once again you appear to have misunderstood what you've linked to, and jumped to a wrong conclusion.

The only connection between the Lu'Ma Native Housing Society and the NDP that the link you provided shows, as far as I can see, is that there are employees of both organisations who are union members in the same union. MoveUP represents more than 12,000 union members at public and private sector companies in Western Canada.

That means there are people who work in the offices of the NDP, and people who work in the offices of Lu'Ma Native Housing Society who are members of the same union. There's no implied connection between the members, or the Boards of either organization, and certainly not of any NDP members of the Legislature.

[misher]

Is this another one? its 98 units too, prioritizes First Nations, and is run by the Lu'Ma but it says by QE park this time.

https://www.darpanmagazine.com/news/...-of-vancouver/

[GenWhy?]

^Pretty sure that's the Heather Street location.

https://development.vancouver.ca/4949heather/index.htm

[jsbertram]

i think it was the 1988 city elections where it was rumoured that groups of asians were brought to the polling stations, after being shown how to mark a ballot with 5 choices at the top and 5 choices at the bottom in the hope of getting more people with asian-sounding names elected to council.

however, some people with non-asian sounding names were un-expectedly elected thanks to being alphabetically at the top or bottom of the ballot, and getting higher than expected vote results. there werent enough ballots from non-asians to get "asian-sounding" candidates elected.

not sure if this has been done by other ethnic groups to get "their person" elected

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

i think it was the 1988 city elections where it was rumoured that groups of asians were brought to the polling stations, after being shown how to mark a ballot with 5 choices at the top and 5 choices at the bottom in the hope of getting more people with asian-sounding names elected to council.

however, some people with non-asian sounding names were un-expectedly elected thanks to being alphabetically at the top or bottom of the ballot, and getting higher than expected vote results. there werent enough ballots from non-asians to get "asian-sounding" candidates elected.

not sure if this has been done by other ethnic groups to get "their person" elected

WTF? Sounds like BS to me. Asians are by and large apolitical today, even more so in 1988.

[logan5]

Weird that ssiguy hasn't chimed in on this thread, since this is an issue he feels so strongly about.