200,230,260 Steamline St | ?m | 6 x 10-30f | Proposed

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by AndyMEng

It's only a matter of time before this entire area becomes a new village portion of town, mixing with the Trainyards shopping centre.

It's not going to ever have a "village" feel if developers just propose something straight out of 1968 or 1983, and the city rubber-stamps it.

[Lakeofthewood]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Eventually everything will get redeveloped. We can demand that it be redeveloped better, or we can continue to approve crap, and then wring our hands about how our urban planning and architecture is crap.

We have to start somewhere. This is a where.

Exactly. We can keep letting the City approve developments that don't meet their own guidelines, or we can start demanding better from them.

[rocketphish]

The City of Ottawa has received a new Site Plan application for the development of the first of three phases of a seven-building high-rise development. The first phase of the proposal consists of two buildings, 15 and 22 storeys high, with a total of 414 units.

Roadway Modifications may be required.

The site is municipally addressed as 200, 230, 260 Steamline Street, as shown on the attached location map. The property is an irregular shape, approximately 35,800 square metres in size. It is a corner lot with 88 metres of frontage on Sanford Fleming Avenue and 307 metres of frontage on the future Steamline Street.

The site was previously used for light-industrial and commercial purposes. Most recently, the long building on the site was a distribution centre and large truck training school, with offices, but has since been demolished.

The proposal includes three phases of development, for an ultimate buildout of seven high-rise residential buildings containing approximately 1,884 units total. The units per phase are as follows:

Phase 1 – 414 units total

• 100 Steamline: 157 units
• 200 Steamline: 257 units

Phase 2 – 865 units total

• 300 Steamline: 265 units
• 400 Steamline: 330 units
• 500 Steamline: 270 units

Phase 3 – 605 units total

• 600 Steamline: 275 units
• 700 Steamline: 330 units

This application includes some details of the future phases; however, is mainly concerning the first phase of development. The site and landscape plans show one entrance into this phase from Steamline Street, and a single drop-off loop from Sandford Flemming Avenue. A small surface parking area is shown next to the ramp leading to a large, two-storey, underground parking area. This phase will include 556 resident parking spaces and 41 visitor parking spaces.

The exterior treatment of the buildings proposed in this phase are largely made out of glass with portions of the building shown in white opaque cladding. Glass enclosed balconies appear to be included for the majority of the units. Both high-rises, 22 and 15 storeys tall, have a six storey podium.


Development application:
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/...appId=__AYYR8P


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Siteplan:




Renderings:

[kevinbottawa]

The renderings showing the buildings from the ground floor aren't bad, but still these buildings make the Trainyards even more of a wasted opportunity. The retail part of the Trainyards is bad. The two government buildings across from Walmart aren't great. And this proposal is underwhelming. They could've fit a mini-downtown or town centre at the Trainyards and make the area around the train station into a real hub.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by kevinbottawa

The renderings showing the buildings from the ground floor aren't bad, but still these buildings make the Trainyards even more of a wasted opportunity. The retail part of the Trainyards is bad. The two government buildings across from Walmart aren't great. And this proposal is underwhelming. They could've fit a mini-downtown or town centre at the Trainyards and make the area around the train station into a real hub.

The retail offerings are excellent... the execution is bad. It's nigh unwalkable. The pedestrian and transit connections are lackluster. Regardless, it's the place I do the most shopping. I like the new government buildings...They are simple and I get a Bauhaus vibe from them, especially the new one. I agree it's a wasted opportunity on the whole.The train station remains insular and an extenuation of the bad decision making that put it there.

[Lakeofthewood]

Time to put the pressure on VIA to get an underground or overhead crossing of their tracks ASAP. I had hoped it would be done congruent with Stage 1 opening but that doesn't appear to be the case

[Arcologist]

I agree that the Trainyards as a whole has been a wasted opportunity. We've ended up with just another car-dependent, big box, difficult-to-navigate mess.

However, I do like the idea of adding residential into the area.

Given that there are very few existing residents in the immediate area (if any), I would push for even greater height on some of the buildings. Instead of 30, go 40!

[OTSkyline]

Not bad, they aren't jewels but aren't ugly either. I would say they're actually pretty decent. And these large lots are begging for redevelopment, they are in a pretty prime location, close to Riverside Drive, the 417 and Industrial + Trainyards.

I agree though, now more than ever they really need to do a tunnel or crossing for these residents (and workers of the towers across the street) to get to the VIA LRT stop. What's the point of having that station if it doesn't serve the area?

[downtown_eddie_brown]

Originally Posted by OTSkyline

I agree though, now more than ever they really need to do a tunnel or crossing for these residents (and workers of the towers across the street) to get to the VIA LRT stop. What's the point of having that station if it doesn't serve the area?

Its pretty egregious how the entire eastern stretch of the LRT is built to completely avoid the east-end (Beechwood/Vanier/Overbrook) instead of serve it. This is partially an infrastructural legacy of Vanier's roads never being properly integrated with Ottawa's, but the lack of vision to fix this situation makes current decision-makers complicit as well.

The east-end LRT stations have purposes completely separated from servicing residents who live near them. Offhand:

Hurdman: Southeast transitway terminus, built to get Billings/Alta Vista residents onto the LRT.

Tremblay: Destination stop for the train station.

St Laurent: Considering how the mall is basically a fortress built against pedestrians, it makes sense that this is being turned into a transit hub to get suburban connections onto local routes into Beacon Hill/Waterridge/Montfort Hospital for work.

Cyrville: This one still confuses me every time I pass it. I think they're building a little condo hub around this station, but there's so little residential surrounding it that in its current state I think its intended as a kiss-and-ride fro the 417 and Aviation Parkway.

Blair: The little station that couldn't. The original idea was that limiting CSIS parking and giving them a Transitway station would encourage transit use to a major employment center. Instead, the parking lot's full and local residents are leasing their driveways at $200/mo.

The entire layout of east-end Ottawa from an infrastructural perspective makes a lot more sense if you realize it's been built to serve suburban commuters getting downtown, instead of local residents.

[Arcologist]

Originally Posted by downtown_eddie_brown

Its pretty egregious how the entire eastern stretch of the LRT is built to completely avoid the east-end (Beechwood/Vanier/Overbrook) instead of serve it. This is partially an infrastructural legacy of Vanier's roads never being properly integrated with Ottawa's, but the lack of vision to fix this situation makes current decision-makers complicit as well.

The east-end LRT stations have purposes completely separated from servicing residents who live near them. Offhand:

Hurdman: Southeast transitway terminus, built to get Billings/Alta Vista residents onto the LRT.

Tremblay: Destination stop for the train station.

St Laurent: Considering how the mall is basically a fortress built against pedestrians, it makes sense that this is being turned into a transit hub to get suburban connections onto local routes into Beacon Hill/Waterridge/Montfort Hospital for work.

Cyrville: This one still confuses me every time I pass it. I think they're building a little condo hub around this station, but there's so little residential surrounding it that in its current state I think its intended as a kiss-and-ride fro the 417 and Aviation Parkway.

Blair: The little station that couldn't. The original idea was that limiting CSIS parking and giving them a Transitway station would encourage transit use to a major employment center. Instead, the parking lot's full and local residents are leasing their driveways at $200/mo.

The entire layout of east-end Ottawa from an infrastructural perspective makes a lot more sense if you realize it's been built to serve suburban commuters getting downtown, instead of local residents.

A Rideau LRT/subway line would bring it all together nicely!

Run it from the Rideau Centre, underneath Rideau and Montreal Rds, then south to Blair.

[downtown_eddie_brown]

Originally Posted by Arcologist

A Rideau LRT/subway line would bring it all together nicely!

Run it from the Rideau Centre, underneath Rideau and Montreal Rds, then south to Blair.

I agree, but if it was that simple, they would have proposed it by now.

The hopeful spark in me says that the heavy equipment elevator that's been parked on Chamberlain just west of Bank for the last year is for some kind of secret secondary Bank or Kent tunnel they're just not telling anyone about

[phil235]

Originally Posted by downtown_eddie_brown

I agree, but if it was that simple, they would have proposed it by now.

The hopeful spark in me says that the heavy equipment elevator that's been parked on Chamberlain just west of Bank for the last year is for some kind of secret secondary Bank or Kent tunnel they're just not telling anyone about

Well, the good news is that it is a tunnel. The bad news is that it will be filled with sewage.

https://ottawa.ca/en/combined-sewage...ge-tunnel-csst

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by OTSkyline

Not bad, they aren't jewels but aren't ugly either. I would say they're actually pretty decent. And these large lots are begging for redevelopment, they are in a pretty prime location, close to Riverside Drive, the 417 and Industrial + Trainyards.

I agree though, now more than ever they really need to do a tunnel or crossing for these residents (and workers of the towers across the street) to get to the VIA LRT stop. What's the point of having that station if it doesn't serve the area?

That's Ottawa planning for you. The cheapest option always wins.

[rocketphish]

Looks like the demolition of the warehouses on this site is almost complete.

[Marcus CLS]

The terminal building north of Steamline Street is now about 75% demolished.

[OTSkyline]

Anyone know what's going on at Trainyards on Terminal Ave in front of those two new office buildings?

Looks like the old building with loading bays was demolished and they seem to be clearing the site.

I thought I remembered a few different proposals to add retail or mid-rises in that area but don't recall seeing something final or approved...

[daud]

Originally Posted by OTSkyline

Anyone know what's going on at Trainyards on Terminal Ave in front of those two new office buildings?

Looks like the old building with loading bays was demolished and they seem to be clearing the site.

I thought I remembered a few different proposals to add retail or mid-rises in that area but don't recall seeing something final or approved...

I think it is this one?

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...8&postcount=23

[OTSkyline]

No, it's the Parcel next to it, on Terminal Ave across from the office at 395 Terminal Ave.

The large building with loading bays has been demolished and it looks like machinery is clearing/cleaning the plot, but I don't know what for...

[eltodesukane]

Train Yards residential development

The proposal includes three phases of development, for an ultimate buildout of seven high-rise residential buildings containing approximately 1,884 units total.
The first phase of the proposal consists of two buildings, 15 and 22 storeys high, with a total of 414 units.
The units per phase are as follows:

Phase 1 – 414 units total
100 Steamline: 157 units
200 Steamline: 257 units

Phase 2 – 865 units total
300 Steamline: 265 units
400 Steamline: 330 units
500 Steamline: 270 units

Phase 3 – 605 units total
600 Steamline: 275 units
700 Steamline: 330 units

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...8&postcount=23

http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Im...12-18-0004.PDF

[Multi-modal]

I wish they wouldn't curve Steamline like that - very suburban approach. They should keep it straight and connect to the Walmart internal road, then connect another north-south road to Terminal Avenue.