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Old Posted Oct 18, 2017, 7:55 PM
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...or they could partner with the City to include a park n ride at this location.
But the city is wanting to eliminate park and rides inside the greenbelt, not build new ones, because "transit is so good there that they aren't necessary" and they don't want people to drive through the greenbelt to a park and ride (though Lincoln Fields isn't that great a place for a park and ride for people outside the greenbelt).
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Drove by Lincoln Fields yesterday after a long time, it's probably the most depressing and bleak looking shopping center in the city. It's strange because it has a lot of traffic, it always seems busy. This place needs a facelift sooner rather than later.
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First site plans for Lincoln Fields Shopping Centre revealed

Vito Pilieci, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: January 25, 2019


The owner of the Lincoln Fields Shopping Centre has filed plans with the city to demolish the aging mall and replace it with a two-storey shop and Metro grocery store.

RioCan REIT, which also owns the Westgate Shopping Centre, filed its site plan proposal with the city on Thursday.

The two-storey building, which is being built to house a handful of retailers that remain in the mall, is being proposed for a spot that would border Carling Avenue. RioCan plans to build the new single-storey Metro in the middle of the sprawling property.

RioCan is calling the new development a “preliminary phase” of construction with a “much more comprehensive redevelopment of the site which is to follow,” according to documents filed with the city.

The real estate developer isn’t tipping its hand in regards to its larger designs for the 16-acre site. However, the documents acknowledge the City of Ottawa’s plans for the Lincoln Fields area, which include the conversion of the bus rapid transit lanes into light rail as part of LRT Phase 2.

Residents living near the shopping centre have been curious about the developer’s plans for the site ever since the mall lost its key tenant, Walmart, in January 2016. The 120,000 square feet it occupied continues to sit empty. Many of the stores in the mall have also been abandoned.

Lincoln Fields first opened its doors in May 1972 and was billed as the city’s “third-enclosed shopping centre.” It housed Ottawa’s first Woolco store, an Ogilvy’s department store outlet and, until 1984, a Loblaws.

The shopping mall underwent a facelift in 1985 with the addition of a skylight court and rebranding as Lincoln Heights Galleria.

It now has a large Metro grocery store and a Rexall store. The Rexall, Metro and a Moore’s clothing store will remain on site in the new buildings, according to the company’s submissions to the city.

A Wendy’s restaurant, which sat in the parking lot near Carling Avenue, was incinerated in a fire that police believe was deliberately set in November.

News about the plans for Lincoln Fields comes just days after Kitchissippi and River ward residents got their first look at detailed plans for the first phase of the redevelopment of Westgate Shopping Centre on Tuesday night.

An open house at the Alexander Community Centre attracted about 100 people, who saw plans that included a 24-storey mixed-use building erected at the corner of Carling Avenue and Merivale Road, where Monkey Joe’s restaurant currently sits. The design plan calls for 216 residential units — all apartments rather than condominiums — and 20,000 square feet of retail space. The first phase will include 192 underground parking spots, and 32 surface spots, as well as parking for nearly 200 bicycles.

Plans for a second phase of development at that property include four more mixed-use buildings — two at 36 storeys and two at 22 storeys — and may take 15 to 20 years to complete.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...-lincoln-fields-shopping-centre-revealed
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In the fullness of time, RioCan REIT intends to develop the entire property at 2525 Carling Avenue into a transit-oriented mixed-use development featuring a range of land uses.

To prepare the property for future development, RioCan proposes to demolish the principal shopping centre building at the centre of the property. While the majority of tenant spaces will be removed in the short term, the proposal includes relocating three existing tenants to two new buildings, a one-storey Metro grocery store of approximately 2630 sq m of gross floor area (GFA), and a two-storey commercial building with a Rexall pharmacy at grade and a Moore's clothing store on the second floor, measuring approximately 1,562.7 sq m of GFA.

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The rationale in the report is that the excess parking is relating to construction staging and buffering parking from store locations (esp Metro) during construction. Maybe they can lease some out to the city for a park and ride once construction is completed, if the redevelopment planning process is still underway. Or maybe it could be used as a staging area during LRT construction.
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Disappointed with this proposal. If they could have at least placed the two new buildings at the western half of the site in order to leave room for high density development closer to the station.
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Heron Gate West by the looks of it
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The placement of the Metro is bizarre. Why not place it along the western edge along Croydon, just north of Wendy’s?
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The placement of the Metro is bizarre. Why not place it along the western edge along Croydon, just north of Wendy’s?
Because it's closer to the LRT station. It being there would be more attractive to someone taking the train instead of having to walk across the parking lot. Can just hop off the train while coming home from downtown, and pick up one or two things, hope back on and continue home (especially if you live within walking distance to a station).
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Because it's closer to the LRT station. It being there would be more attractive to someone taking the train instead of having to walk across the parking lot. Can just hop off the train while coming home from downtown, and pick up one or two things, hope back on and continue home (especially if you live within walking distance to a station).
Except it's not. The only way to get to this property from the station is by walking on Carling, so if that was the plan it would be right up against Carling. This is the closest spot only as the crow flies and there's the ramps for the parkway and the parking garage for the apartment buildings in the way.
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Except it's not. The only way to get to this property from the station is by walking on Carling, so if that was the plan it would be right up against Carling. This is the closest spot only as the crow flies and there's the ramps for the parkway and the parking garage for the apartment buildings in the way.
There is a hole in the fence and a desire line on the ground everyone's using so we are good.

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My thoughts exactly. Disappointing proposal on the whole.
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Because it's closer to the LRT station. It being there would be more attractive to someone taking the train instead of having to walk across the parking lot. Can just hop off the train while coming home from downtown, and pick up one or two things, hope back on and continue home (especially if you live within walking distance to a station).
Not unless they're planning a pedestrian bridge across the parkway...
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The placement of the Metro is bizarre. Why not place it along the western edge along Croydon, just north of Wendy’s?
My guess is they wanted to make it within walking distance of the existing 3 apartment buildings to the north-east. It will also have a good parking lot beside it that won't be affected by construction for those coming from a bit further afield. My guess is they will then surround the grocery store with residential towers, further increasing its captive audience.

The western edge would be much further from most of the existing residential density. Parking could also be a bit of a concern. As for the Wendy's, this plan may have been made before it burnt down.
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Makes sense. Hadn't thought of that.
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Residents fear Lincoln Fields revitalization will be just another suburban mall

Joanne Laucius, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: June 28, 2019



Plans are taking shape for the future of Lincoln Fields: demolishing the aging shopping mall, building a new Metro grocery store in the near future and hundreds of rental units in residential towers somewhere down the road.

Neighbourhood groups say they have no problem with intensification, but they want redevelopment done in step with the city’s plans to revitalize Carling Avenue and a new LRT station that will turn the neighbourhood into a transit hub.

“We want it to be pedestrian and transit-friendly,” said Jonathan Morris, president of the Britannia Village Community Association. “This is about a third of the size of LeBreton Flats and it’s also on the LRT. We should give it some serious thought.”

There’s no dispute that Lincoln Fields is a dying shopping centre sitting on 16.2 acres of increasingly prime real estate. The mall first opened its doors in 1972. A Loblaws store departed in 1984. Walmart arrived in 1994, occupying 120,000 square feet, and departed in 2016. That space remains empty. A Wendy’s restaurant located just outside the mall was demolished following a fire in November.

The city’s plans for the Lincoln Fields area include converting bus rapid transit lanes into light rail. The Lincoln Fields station is scheduled to open in 2025.

“We’re all excited about the redevelopment. It would be better than what is there now. But we don’t want it to be another Centrum, just a bunch of big box stores,” said Annie Boucher, president of the Lincoln Heights Parkway Community Association. “What’s missing is the city’s vision for how this huge hub will connect to the LRT.”

Two weeks ago, representatives from owner RioCan and Metro met with representatives from six community associations and outlined plans for the shopping centre. A new Metro and Rexall will be built on the site to replace stores in the mall. Wendy’s will also rebuild and Pizza Pizza will remain in its current location, said Terri Andrianopoulos, RioCan vice-president of marketing and communications.

Demolition is expected to start in November, although the city has not yet received a demolition application for the mall, said Derrick Moodie, the city’s manager of development review.

Alex Cullen, president of the Belltown Neighbours Community Association, said residents wanted to see “main street frontage” where stores were street-oriented, not separated from the street by parking lots.

Although the number of parking spots will be reduced, there will still be room for hundreds of cars. The two parking lots near former Walmart will lose 103 parking spots, leaving 487. The parking lot in front of the new Metro will have 270 spots, an increase of 30, while the lot near the old Wendy’s will lose 44 spots, leaving 276.

RioCan’s draft master plan shows the two new retail buildings could fit into a larger mixed-use development with high rise apartment buildings and ground-floor retail space, but that’s intended only to illustrate possibilities, Andrianopoulos said.

“This will be determined by the city’s secondary plan process. We will work with the city to explore additional opportunities for growth, but we will not finalize our future intensification plans until their review process is complete.”

The city’s planning policy staff is undertaking the process of creating a secondary plan. The current draft boundary is from about Richmond Road/Maplewood Avenue at the west, Ancaster Avenue to the east, Regina Street to the north and the southern edge of Woodroffe High School to the south, Moodie said.

The study will identify appropriate built form, building heights and density and orientation, specifically frontages along the main roads, and general land uses. “We will examine infill development, differentiating between stable areas and candidates for significant intensification. The study also includes analysis of the transportation network to identify opportunities to enhance the pedestrian environment, safe cycling, and connections to the O-Train station,” said Moodie. He expects consultations will begin this fall, with the plan to be adopted on the same timeline as the new official plan in 2021.

Residents consider the site to be a barrier to be crossed, said Kathy Vandegrift, vice-president of the Queensway Terrace North Community Association and chairwoman of its planning committee. The shopping centre’s parking lot is a “wasteland,” she said.

“We’re all eager to see revitalization,” Vandegrift said. “The tension now is in the shape of that and how it relate to the neighbourhood around it. It’s a missed opportunity if we don’t do this well.”

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...ation-will-be-just-another-suburban-mall
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I agree with the residents that this redevelopment should be done right, with preference to pedestrians and cyclists over cars, and good access to the LRT station at Lincoln Fields. They have a large property where they could realistically do well-designed urban landscape. Although the developer may only own the mall property, a design plan for the entire triangle between Richmond and Carling that include the northern side of Richmond and Lincoln Fields should be included.

They should focus on Richmond Road and Carling being commercial mainstreets where they build 4-6 storey buildings with retail along the street, and build them close to the street. It could be worthwhile designing a middle street (Croydon or one parallel to it) as a secondary commercial street to allow for retail. They should design the sidewalks to be a bit wider than usual for pleasant strolling, and include a bike lane on both Carling and Richmond Road. Richmond Road itself should be reduced to no more than 4 car lanes wide (excluding the bike lane and sidewalk).

They should not allow surface parking lots or multi-storey garages - parking should be underground. They should demolish this building and consider demolishing the parkades (and maybe the smaller building on Richmond) so they can build more buildings in the area. The parking can be replaced (albeit with a reduced quantity) under a new building or two. I would love to see the Parkway and the ramps tightened up so as to provide more land for development - we'll have to see what will be possible with the new Lincoln Fields station and what roadway can be eliminated. As a cyclist, I'd like to see something done about this at-grade crossing of the MUP.

I'd love to see condos and apartments (with subsidized units include), but also some office buildings). I'd say Aim for 4-6 storeys on Richmond, 6 storeys on Carling, or 4 with setbacks going up to 9. And then a mixture of heights in between, with something around 20-storeys being the maximum height, located towards the centre and the eastern portion. Buildings with setbacks and podiums would be nice. Extra points if they can manage Vancouver-like townhouse podiums.

Redo Carling to make it not as wide, but more pleasant. Trees all over would be nice. I'd include a public square of some sort, likely on the commercial street perpendicular to Richmond-Carling mentioned above. And then a pedestrians/cyclist bridge crossing the Parkway to connect to the LRT Station.

The grocery store they mentioned should be designed with underground parking and to be built so a tower can be constructed above it - no lowrise buildings. It's a shame the ugly Dymon storage building was built like and where it is.

There's a lot of potential, so I hope they get it right. Lately, it seems like all they're doing are building identical highrises and lots of parking around transit station with no thought to pleasant streetscapes and urban street life.
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I agree that Carling has potential for a different approach, but if the city and NCC won’t do anything to make the area less car centric it would be suicidal for a developer to chase the cars away.
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Ok, but is anyone actually looking at this plan?

The pedestrian-friendly, street-oriented development parcels are FRONTING TO THE RESIDENTIAL ZONES along Croydon and Richmond.

The parking lot (arguably near to the transit station) is actually facing towards non-residential areas.

Now, if you wanted a grocery store without a parking lot, sure. I welcome you to try that one out, lol.
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cool concepts of the lincoln feild master plan. It's going to be a major hub if not already, give it 10 years. link in the article for the renderings and drawings

https://www.baywardbulletin.ca/riocan-presents-possible-concepts-for-lincoln-fields-site-over-time/
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