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Old Posted May 12, 2016, 2:04 PM
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That's because they haven't filled up inside-the-greenbelt yet. Once that is filled up sprawl will jump. Overall from 2006-2011 the GGH grew by 595k: 112k in Toronto proper, 387k in the 905, and 95k outside of that. That's roughly 18% of growth from intensification and 82% from sprawl. That is an improvement, but if the objective is to reduce sprawl that it's a pretty big fail.
Growth in the 905 cannot entirely be attributed to sprawl as intensification is going on in many of those municipalities as well.
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Actually... yes.
I want suburban sprawl residents to pay the true costs of their lifestyle, which the nature of sprawl "externalizes" to other people and to society at large.
This is one of my favourite things I've ever read on SSP Ottawa.
It's a viewpoint I share, and something I discuss with people on a very frequent basis.
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Those numbers are incorrect. 40% of all growth in the GGH is intensification; there's been plenty of inensification in the 905 as well. Markham & Mississauga now have the majority of their growth through intensification.

Another huge factor--and this happened in Ottawa too--is that new subdivisions are denser with smaller lots and more semi'detached units instead of all detached. Newer sprawl crams a lot more units per hectare than older sprawl. So not only has sprawl's share of growth declined, the amount of land it needs had also declined. The double whammy of it is such that the GTA's urban footprint expansion rate is half of what it was 20 years ago.
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Meanshile in Ottawa in 2014-2015 development charges rose

Inside Greenbelt Single/semi: $16891->$22468 or up 33%
Inside Greenbelt Apartment 2+ bedrooms: $8557->$13226 or up 54%

Outside Greenbelt Single: $25315->$30752 or up 21%

While property taxes hike was capped at Watson's infamous 2% city-wide.
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What should happen is that new development must be within a certain distance of a rapid transit line. If not, then they must contribute towards extending rapid transit.
And must, in all its design and planning aspects, be supportive of a multi-modal way of life, not an auto-dependent one.
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Growth in the 905 cannot entirely be attributed to sprawl as intensification is going on in many of those municipalities as well.
Also, how does that 18% that was intensification between 2006 and 2011 compare to previous five-year cohorts?
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That's correct in what he is saying. If the proposed plan goes through, basically you will have to go at least 130 to 170 km outside of downtown Toronto to purchase a new single family home (or a reasonably priced resale). The closest areas not covered by GGH growth plans are Hastings County to the east, Muskoka to the north and Oxford and Perth Counties to the west.
The new target of 80 persons and jobs per hectare isn't that high.... at 2.4 ppu it's 33 units per hectare which is about the same as Ottawa requires right now for new suburbs (34 uph). And municipalities outside the Greenbelt can apply for lower density target.
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Old Posted May 13, 2016, 12:20 AM
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Also, how does that 18% that was intensification between 2006 and 2011 compare to previous five-year cohorts?
From 2001 to 2006, the City of Toronto barely grew at all, while the 905 exploded in population (with little or no intensification then) so it was likely over 95% sprawl in that era. The same was true in Ottawa - I believe during that time, the former City of Ottawa (pre-2001) actually declined in population slightly.
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We've had a lot of conversations about how the Province completely ignores us, or blatantly underfunds Ottawa. Someone posted this on RMTransit Discord today, from March 2022.

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I think its the "official" part, a visit sanctioned (or by invitation) by the Province
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I think its the "official" part, a visit sanctioned (or by invitation) by the Province
Still sounds pretty bad considering Ottawa has been neglected by the Province for decades (worse now than under the previous Government). Official visit to Queen's Park or the Legislature would have been less triggering.

Maybe it was just an awkward sentence, or maybe they actually forgot Ottawa is in Ontario.
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Ontario government's Greenbelt land swap influenced by well-connected developers, AG finds

Developers could see an $8B increase to value of land now open for housing development, report finds

Ryan Patrick Jones · CBC News · Posted: Aug 09, 2023

The Ontario government's process for choosing protected Greenbelt land to open up for housing development was heavily influenced by a small group of well-connected developers who now stand to make billions of dollars, the province's auditor general says.

In a widely-anticipated 95-page report released Wednesday, Auditor General Bonnie Lysyk offered a damning assessment of how the province selected sites last year for removal from the Greenbelt — a vast 810,000-hectare area of farmland, forest and wetland stretching from Niagara Falls to Peterborough that was meant to be off limits to development.

"Our review ... raises serious concerns about the exercises used, the way in which standard information gathering and decision protocols were sidelined and abandoned, and how changes to the Greenbelt were unnecessarily rushed thorough," Lysyk said at a news conference at Queen's Park on Wednesday.

"The process was biased in favour of certain developers and landowners who had timely access to the housing minister's chief of staff."

You can read the full auditor general's report at the bottom of this story.

Lysyk found the selection process was largely controlled by Housing Minister Steve Clark's chief of staff — not non-partisan public servants — and that many of the sites were chosen after specific suggestions from developers.

The process didn't consider the agricultural, environmental and financial impacts of the decision, and involved little input from planning experts or other stakeholders, including the general public and Indigenous communities, according to the report.

The revelations prompted the two main opposition parties — the NDP and the Liberals — to call for the housing minister's resignation.

"Ontarians deserve better than a government that enriches a select number of party donors at the expense of hard-working Ontarians," NDP Leader Marit Stiles said in a news release.

At a news conference later Wednesday, Premier Doug Ford acknowledged shortcomings with the selection process, but said his government would continue to do everything it can to address the province's housing crisis.

"We know there are areas for improvement as we move forward," Ford said. "We were moving fast. We could have had a better process."

Ford said his government would accept and implement 14 of 15 total recommendations Lysyk made in her report. The single recommendation it will not accept is to revisit the land swaps and possibly reverse those decisions, he said.

AG launched report at request of opposition leaders

Ontario's Greenbelt was initially created in 2005 to permanently protect agricultural and environmentally sensitive lands from falling victim to urban sprawl.

The Ford government removed approximately 2,995 hectares of land from the Greenbelt in December — while adding more land elsewhere — to build 50,000 homes. The government said the changes were part of its plan to build 1.5 million new homes in the next decade.

Shortly after the proposal was announced, media reporting, including by CBC Toronto, revealed that several well-established developers with ties to the Progressive Conservative government were among the owners of the land that was removed and that several of the properties were purchased in recent years when they were fully or partially off-limits to development.

Lysyk agreed to look into this decision in January at the request of all three opposition leaders, who questioned whether developers knew about it in advance.

The auditor general's report found that after the Conservatives won the June 2022 election in a landslide, Ford directed Clark in a mandate letter to "complete work to codify processes for swaps, expansions, contractions and policy updates for the Greenbelt."

The housing ministry provided Clark's chief of staff with two options: an overall review of the Greenbelt or the selection of specific sites, Lysyk wrote.

The audit revealed that Clark's chief of staff directed a small team of housing ministry bureaucrats in October 2022 that decided which sites would be removed. The work of the so-called "Greenbelt Project Team" was limited to three weeks and its members were sworn to confidentiality, according to the report.

Lysyk found it was Clark's chief of staff who identified 21 of the 22 sites the team considered. Ultimately, they settled on 15.

Lysyk didn't name Clark's chief of staff in the report, however, she later confirmed to reporters it is his current chief of staff. Ryan Amato is currently working in that role.

Ford and Clark both told Lysyk that they were unaware that the land chosen for removal was controlled by Amato.

12 of 15 parcels of land removed came from developer suggestions

Instead of finding that developers were tipped off in advance, Lysyk found it was the developers themselves who, in many cases, successfully lobbied to have specific sites they owned opened up for housing development.

"Many of these individuals had advocated for the removal in emails and in-person meetings within a few months prior to their removal," according to the report. "For example, one lawyer representing three housing developers emailed the chief of staff on Sept. 27 and 29, 2022, providing site specific details for the land they sought to develop."

According to a timeline of key events, two prominent housing developers approached Clark's chief of staff in September 2022 at a building industry event, and provided him with "packages" containing information on two sites in the Greenbelt — an area in the Duffins Rouge Agricultural Preserve (DRAP) in Pickering and a site in the Township of King that was purchased that very month for $80 million.

As CBC Toronto has reported, Silvio De Gasperis, president of the Tacc Group of companies, owns more than two dozen properties in the DRAP. Michael Rice, CEO of Rice Group, owns the King property. Both De Gasperis and Rice — who were not named in the report — fought the auditor general's summons' to answer questions about the land swap.

Shortly after the September event, one of the developers provided Clark's chief of staff with information related to three other sites.

"About 92 per cent of the land that was ultimately removed from the Greenbelt was requested to be removed by the developers the chief of staff dined with at [the event]," the report said.

Citing the Municipal Property Assessment Corporation, which is responsible for calculating property values in Ontario, Lysyk estimates the landowners of the 15 sites that were removed could see their value increase by $8.3 billion.

Lysyk said the chief of staff's behaviour may have contravened political activity and conflict of interest rules.

"The Greenbelt exercise calls into question who, if anyone, was supervising the non-elected chief of staff as he personally directed the Greenbelt project team through most of October 2022," Lysyk said.

"In our view, the housing minister ought to have known the key details of such a high profile and politically sensitive government exercise, and ensure that Cabinet and the premier were also made fully aware."

Ford said he only learned of the land swap the day it went to cabinet for approval, while Clark said he learned of it the week prior.

Lysyk's audit also found that removing land from the Greenbelt was not needed to meet the government's housing target, as previously noted by the Ford government's hand-picked Housing Affordability Task Force. According to Lysyk, the government had already allocated the 1.5 million units to municipalities by October 2022 — one month before the government announced its controversial Greenbelt proposal.

The report says the boundary changes removed environmental protections for almost 404 hectares of woodlands and wetlands. On top of that, Ontario's agriculture ministry estimated that 76 per cent of the land removed from the Greenbelt was being used for farming in 2022, and 83 per cent of the land removed is classified as "prime agricultural land" — the highest quality farmland in the province.

Ford says 'ends justify the means'

At Wednesday's news conference, Ford said the government moved so quickly because of the need to increase the province's housing supply to address the ongoing housing affordability crisis and keep up with Ontario's rapidly growing population.

He said housing built on the Greenbelt lands would house 150,000 people and bring community benefits like parks, roads and healthcare infrastructure that would be paid for by the landowners and builders.

Clark didn't directly answer reporters' questions when asked whether he would resign or if his chief of staff would keep his job.

"I appreciate the confidence the premier has in myself and my staff," Clark said. "I'm committed to ensuring the 14 recommendations will move forward and will move forward quickly."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...port-1.6930390
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To quote Queen Beyonce:

'Of course, sometimes sh*t go down. When it's a billion dollars on an elevator.'

Or in this case, $8B in property value gain, give or take. You think the developers will care about their wining and dining and insider information from their government 'friends' who's public careers will go down the toilet when there's an extra EIGHT billy in their pockets? After the short stint at the pen, these people will STILL be incredibly wealthy. Probably mostly at the Cayman Islands by now.

The only real course of action is both legal, and zoning. Return ALL of this land to Greenbelt status, including if something has already been built. Tear it down. Someone will probably accidentally fall out of a window in the process.
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Ontario Housing Minister Steve Clark resigns amid Greenbelt land swap controversy

Opposition parties say move is a 1st step but Greenbelt lands need to be returned

Vanessa Balintec, Lane Harrison · CBC News · Posted: Sep 04, 2023 9:29 AM

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...belt-1.6956402
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Ontario Housing Minister Steve Clark resigns amid Greenbelt land swap controversy

Opposition parties say move is a 1st step but Greenbelt lands need to be returned

Vanessa Balintec, Lane Harrison · CBC News · Posted: Sep 04, 2023 9:29 AM

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...belt-1.6956402
Today, Doug Ford did a complete reversal and said that no Greenbelt lands would be developed, He apologized for having made a mistake.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/ca...190706182.html
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Today, Doug Ford did a complete reversal and said that no Greenbelt lands would be developed, He apologized for having made a mistake.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/ca...190706182.html
It's amazing what the onset of an RCMP investigation can bring about
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Today, Doug Ford did a complete reversal and said that no Greenbelt lands would be developed, He apologized for having made a mistake.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/ca...190706182.html


Just last week, his new Housing Minister was ready to double down. An apology dosen't begin to make up for this corrupt and absolutely pointless chapter of his Premiership.
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What do y'all think? About $400M in legal fees before we're home free? That's about 5%.
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What do y'all think? About $400M in legal fees before we're home free? That's about 5%.
For sure. Forget however money was blown on this whole thing so far, we're gonna get sued!

For a fiscal Conservative, he sure loves to waste money on dumb stuff like this, the Conservative Blue license plates, no longer charging for license plates, cutting the gas tax, killing cap-and-trade.
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