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Old Posted Oct 14, 2014, 10:08 PM
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Hail-O has now pulled out of North America (closing it's 2 Canadian bases - in Toronto and Montreal), according to the CBC:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hail...real-1.2798283

In one of the earlier articles above (from last week, I think), there was mention that Hail-O was actively trying to get into the Ottawa market, and has been for the last year at least. They were trying to figure something out with the local cab companies. I could see them pulling out of Ottawa since we don't have a cab-centric city, but it's a bit surprising that they'd pull out of N.A. completely...
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Hail-O has now pulled out of North America (closing it's 2 Canadian bases - in Toronto and Montreal), according to the CBC:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hail...real-1.2798283

In one of the earlier articles above (from last week, I think), there was mention that Hail-O was actively trying to get into the Ottawa market, and has been for the last year at least. They were trying to figure something out with the local cab companies. I could see them pulling out of Ottawa since we don't have a cab-centric city, but it's a bit surprising that they'd pull out of N.A. completely...
Hail-O started an Ottawa twitter account just a couple weeks ago. It wouldn't surprise me to see them come back in a few years when more markets have loosened up.
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2014, 11:43 AM
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Could UberBLACK be coming to Ottawa? Not imminently: Uber

Carys Mills, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: October 14, 2014, Last Updated: October 14, 2014 11:36 PM EDT

Uber, the app company that’s shaking up Ottawa’s taxi industry, is now taking information from a different type of drivers.

The company brought UberX to Ottawa this month, allowing regular drivers to drive with its system if they pass police checks and vehicle requirements.

But Uber is now collecting information online from drivers in Ottawa who want to drive for UberBlack, the company’s “hallmark product” that is more expensive and uses commercially licensed limo drivers with commercial insurance.

UberBlack is operating in Toronto and Halifax. But don’t expect it in Ottawa any time soon.

“(We) are always exploring opportunities, however plans to launch UberBLACK in Ottawa are not imminent,” Uber spokeswoman Lauren Altmin said in an email Tuesday.

UberX, which the company describes as a ride-sharing product, has created a dispute between the city and Uber. The company doesn’t follow traditional taxi regulations required by the city, saying it’s a technology company. But the city disagrees and has given two drivers $650 tickets so far.

Also on Tuesday, app company Hailo announced it would shut down its North American operations, citing competitors that don’t follow stringent city taxi rules, including hiring licensed taxi drivers.

But Hailo Canada head of marketing Chris McLellan said the company was looking for solutions in Toronto and was still operating there for now.

Last week, Hailo said it was looking to expand to Ottawa and had recently met with city officials. But McLellan said those plans were now on hold.

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Old Posted Nov 9, 2014, 10:43 PM
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Tom Spears, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: November 9, 2014, Last Updated: November 9, 2014 5:29 PM EST


Seven major taxi companies have started a national advertising campaign that takes on their new competitor Uber and its plans to operate in Canadian cities.

The campaign uses a website and newspaper ads to “start a conversation with Canadians,” said Hanif Patni of Coventry Connection, which operates Blueline taxis in Ottawa.

He said the campaign is aimed at Ottawa, Montreal, Toronto, Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver, all cities chosen for expansion by the Uber, and American company that offers “ride-sharing” for a fee. Its service is called UberX.

The print ads, in the form of an open letter to the public, don’t mention Uber by name. Instead they tell readers that by using a regulated taxi system they’re getting trained drivers, insurance coverage and a meter showing the fare.

But the group’s website (taxitruths.ca) names and attacks Uber specifically, claiming its drivers are poorly paid and under-insured.

Most people “do not understand how our business is structured, why we’re regulated, and what the difference is between a regulated service and non-regulated,” Patni said.

He argues that the higher price of established taxi services reflects safety costs that benefit the passenger, in particular the insurance cost of as high as $10,000 for two drivers who share a cab, plus the vehicle insurance.

Uber has its own website (https://www.uber.com) and is trying to get 15,000 signatures online asking Vancouver to allow the service. (The total was a little over 12,300 Sunday afternoon.) It argues that using its service is a form of freedom from over-regulation:

“Riders love Uber because the taxi industry doesn’t come close to offering the same convenience and reliability.
“Drivers love Uber because it provides higher earnings, unparalleled flexibility (be your own boss!) and increased safety on the road thanks to our cashless technology.
“Cities love Uber because it connects residents and visitors to a ride when they need one, serves neighbourhoods that taxis continuously neglect, reduces DUI incidents and fatalities, and decreases congestion and pollution by taking unnecessary vehicle traffic off the road.”

Uber has rolled out service in Toronto, Ottawa, and more recently Montreal.

Ottawa has been using undercover inspectors to catch Uber drivers, and in Montreal Mayor Denis Coderre has declared the system illegal.

The Ottawa drivers face fines of $650 each after undercover city employees booked rides through Uber’s app, Susan Jones, the City of Ottawa’s general manager of emergency and protective services, said in a recent interview. “Enforcement is underway as we speak and will continue to be.”

Mayor Jim Watson has said the Uber drivers need to abide by taxi regulations.

The company says it wants to expand to Calgary, Vancouver and Edmonton next. It currently operates in 45 countries and 150 cities.

Uber operates by smartphone. A customer opens an account and records a credit-card number which is charged whenever the customer gets a ride.

Drivers are private vehicle operators using their own cars, and aren’t licensed as cabbies.

“With Uber … their drivers do not have the primary insurance required to move passengers. It’s as simple as that. The business model is very different,” Patni said Sunday.

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Ontario Liberal Party, this sort of thing is why I can't vote for you, much as I'd like to:

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Ontario Liberal Party, this sort of thing is why I can't vote for you, much as I'd like to:

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-...anti-uber-bill
Then I'm sure you'll be even more disappointed to find out that Lisa MacLeod of the PCs was planning on introducing a bill that's basically the exact same thing. And now MacLeod and Fraser are fighting over whose idea it is. Yep, the two main parties in this province are fighting over who can be a better taxi-industry coddler.
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Then I'm sure you'll be even more disappointed to find out that Lisa MacLeod of the PCs was planning on introducing a bill that's basically the exact same thing. And now MacLeod and Fraser are fighting over whose idea it is. Yep, the two main parties in this province are fighting over who can be a better taxi-industry coddler.
Not disappointed at all, since I wrote off the Ontario Republicans a long time ago.
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2014, 8:07 PM
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MPPs fight the future in the taxi industry

David Reevely, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: December 6, 2014, Last Updated: December 6, 2014 8:06 AM EST


Two Ottawa MPPs now have bills at Queen’s Park that would help cities crack down on bandit taxis. They insist their bills aren’t about fighting insurgent car-hiring company Uber, though it’s hard to believe them.

When Ottawa South Liberal John Fraser presented his bill on Wednesday, he swore it was about protecting passenger safety. It’s right there in the name, isn’t it? It’s the Protecting Passenger Safety Act, so it must be. Not about Uber.

“Unifor welcomes Uber bill” read a prompt statement from the union local representing Ottawa taxi drivers. They think it’s a bill about Uber. Uber sure thinks it’s a bill about Uber.

Nepean-Carleton Progressive Conservative Lisa MacLeod followed on Thursday with a bill that does almost the same thing, the Bandit Cab Safety and Enforcement Act. Both bills crank up the maximum fines on drivers of unlicensed taxis (Fraser’s to $30,000, MacLeod’s to $100,000), allow city enforcers to impound cars, impose driver’s licence suspensions.

“Unsafe bandit taxi cabs predate ride sharing programs like Uber who are using new technology,” reads MacLeod’s explanation of her bill. “Legitimate taxi and ride sharing programs uphold the safety measures within municipal bylaws and the Highway Traffic Act. Municipalities must be able to enforce their own bylaws.”

So, like Fraser, she’s not aiming at Uber. But if she hits it, well, these things happen.

Uber, as a company, operates in a dark-grey area of a city bylaw that regulates both taxi companies and the drivers who work for them. Strictly speaking, Uber provides a smartphone app that connects freelance drivers with willing riders for a small fee, so it’s not a traditional dispatching service in the way the law contemplates.

The drivers pretty plainly run afoul of rules that restrict who can chauffeur passengers for money. With Uber the company, it’s not crystal clear.

Regardless of its exact legal state, though, Uber undermines the purpose of Ottawa’s taxi bylaw. Which is to limit competition among approved drivers so as to guarantee them a reasonable living while meeting city-mandated standards for driver qualifications, vehicles and prices.

As anyone who’s taken a few cabs in the last few years knows, that standard is low. Mainly, the supply-management system in the taxi industry has meant those lucky enough to own taxi plates make a lot of money off the people who actually drive. The system doesn’t work right, but it’s impervious to challenge because the city isn’t issuing more plates.

Anybody who wants to innovate has to work within a system that suppresses innovation.

Uber hasn’t had to care about Ottawa’s system. It operates in 250 cities and just this week raised $1.2 billion in financing, with investments that value the company at $40 billion. That’s more than 10 times the City of Ottawa’s annual budget. It can, if it wants, treat fines like a cost of doing business and keep serving willing customers. As long as those fines are $500, that is. Not $100,000.

Reporters asked Premier Kathleen Wynne about the twin taxi bills this week. One of the premier’s more endearing qualities is she gets really excited about interesting policy problems and you can tell this one grabs her.

“I think this is a fascinating discussion,” she said. “I think we need to talk about it: How does this fit in with our understanding of the regulated taxi industry? I think nobody actually has the answer at this point …. I think it’s great that this issue is coming from all sides of the house.”

The premier is mistaken. The issue she’s talking about isn’t coming from anywhere. What’s coming from both sides of the house is a determination to make sure that issue doesn’t have to be discussed.

Nobody has a proposal for legalizing Uber and its drivers and bringing them under workable regulations, for acknowledging that people who install Uber’s app and summon its drivers aren’t victims but adults making a choice.

Because these are private members’ bills, dissenters are easier to find. Tory MPP Monte McNaughton, for instance, one of MacLeod’s leadership rivals and one of his party’s more fervent free-marketers.

“I just don’t believe that Queen’s Park should be protecting monopolies and defending monopolies,” McNaughton said in an interview. “Companies change, the way companies need to do business needs to change, and with Uber in particular, other companies need to adapt.”

Not if his colleagues can help it.

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Uber in Ottawa

I wonder if Uber is paying these fines...
http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/03/19/...vers-pay-fines

'Some Ottawa Uber drivers pay fines 7

BY JON WILLING, OTTAWA SUN
FIRST POSTED: THURSDAY, MARCH 19, 2015 03:29 PM EDT | UPDATED: THURSDAY, MARCH 19, 2015 04:17 PM EDT

Some Uber drivers have fessed up to breaking the rules, according to the city.

The city says Trevor Martin and Ephrem Weldehana paid their tickets. Fayaz Al-Wadaan pleaded guilty in court on Tuesday, the city says.

The total value of the tickets for all three drivers was $2,365.

The court has adjourned other Uber cases to March 26.

The drivers were charged with not having the proper taxi permits.

If you’re accepting a fare to drive passengers, you need to pay fees and have the necessary paperwork from the city.

Uber, whose technology enables people to book rides through a smartphone application, doesn’t require its drivers to have taxi licences.

Uber continues to pay the fines for drivers, the company said Thursday.

“In these isolated instances of enforcement, Uber has continued to support its drivers fully, financially and otherwise,” spokesman Xavier Van Chau said in an e-mail.

“As you know, we believe it would be more productive to work together with city officials to develop a new regulatory framework for ride-sharing.”'
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I wonder if Uber is paying these fines...
http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/03/19/...vers-pay-fines

'Some Ottawa Uber drivers pay fines 7

BY JON WILLING, OTTAWA SUN
FIRST POSTED: THURSDAY, MARCH 19, 2015 03:29 PM EDT | UPDATED: THURSDAY, MARCH 19, 2015 04:17 PM EDT

Some Uber drivers have fessed up to breaking the rules, according to the city.

The city says Trevor Martin and Ephrem Weldehana paid their tickets. Fayaz Al-Wadaan pleaded guilty in court on Tuesday, the city says.

The total value of the tickets for all three drivers was $2,365.

The court has adjourned other Uber cases to March 26.

The drivers were charged with not having the proper taxi permits.

If you’re accepting a fare to drive passengers, you need to pay fees and have the necessary paperwork from the city.

Uber, whose technology enables people to book rides through a smartphone application, doesn’t require its drivers to have taxi licences.

Uber continues to pay the fines for drivers, the company said Thursday.

“In these isolated instances of enforcement, Uber has continued to support its drivers fully, financially and otherwise,” spokesman Xavier Van Chau said in an e-mail.

“As you know, we believe it would be more productive to work together with city officials to develop a new regulatory framework for ride-sharing.”'
Lots of people use carpools right now, especially for intercity travel and getting to/from work. In fact, this practice is being encouraged by the City through park 'n rides?

Of course passengers have to pay the drivers (when have gas, car ownership, and people's time been free).

The only difference seems to be that Uber is a souped up version of Kijiji/Craigslist/paper posters/word of mouth. We might as well consider talking to people as a taxi service, and licence this ancient technology.
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Agreed on all fronts. Though technically receiving money for a carpool is part of the underground economy, but I see nothing wrong with it. Taxi drivers are just trying to protect their broken business model - no different than the music industry 15 years ago.
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Agreed on all fronts. Though technically receiving money for a carpool is part of the underground economy, but I see nothing wrong with it. Taxi drivers are just trying to protect their broken business model - no different than the music industry 15 years ago.
I also agree, although its not okay for the taxi drivers but they can switch to uber services right.
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Lots of people use carpools right now, especially for intercity travel and getting to/from work. In fact, this practice is being encouraged by the City through park 'n rides?

Of course passengers have to pay the drivers (when have gas, car ownership, and people's time been free).

The only difference seems to be that Uber is a souped up version of Kijiji/Craigslist/paper posters/word of mouth. We might as well consider talking to people as a taxi service, and licence this ancient technology.
Uber is a taxi service.
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This is all part of the trend towards cheapness in every product and service. The attraction to save money is overwhelming. But this is all leading towards every job becoming a McJob with the few behind these ideas becoming massively wealthy. I see this trend in the company I work for. The spiral to the bottom is escalating. The people who will replace me when I retire will be paid much less and get fewer benefits.
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This is all part of the trend towards cheapness in every product and service. The attraction to save money is overwhelming. But this is all leading towards every job becoming a McJob with the few behind these ideas becoming massively wealthy. I see this trend in the company I work for. The spiral to the bottom is escalating. The people who will replace me when I retire will be paid much less and get fewer benefits.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong... but doesn't current taxi setup generally funnel money to the "wealthy" owners of the licenses... and leave the individual drivers somewhat wanting??

Uber simply allows the drivers to keep the money for themselves... oui?
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong... but doesn't current taxi setup generally funnel money to the "wealthy" owners of the licenses... and leave the individual drivers somewhat wanting??

Uber simply allows the drivers to keep the money for themselves... oui?
Its more of Uber can gurantee income for time worked ($25/hr), convential Taxi service is per fare and after payout to the liscence holder, company and city.
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Actually, the taxi to Uber shift helps the individual workers.

The cost savings for Uber don't stem from cheaper wages for workers, they stem from reduced regulations. In other words it's our governments paying the price not employees.
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Actually, the taxi to Uber shift helps the individual workers.

The cost savings for Uber don't stem from cheaper wages for workers, they stem from reduced regulations. In other words it's our governments paying the price not employees.
This is mostly incorrect. It is the cost of buying a license from another license holder and the subsequent carrying costs of this debt that are the largest cost, not the relatively small annual fee drivers pay the city. Without this cost Uber drivers can benefit from the principal of the sharing economy and work part-time and use the car the rest of the week to go to work or whatever.

The city is fighting it not so much because they will lose revenue but because an active and well financed lobby group has a huge amount to lose. Same concept as the battle over dairy and poultry quotas.
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This is mostly incorrect. It is the cost of buying a license from another license holder and the subsequent carrying costs of this debt that are the largest cost, not the relatively small annual fee drivers pay the city. Without this cost Uber drivers can benefit from the principal of the sharing economy and work part-time and use the car the rest of the week to go to work or whatever.

The city is fighting it not so much because they will lose revenue but because an active and well financed lobby group has a huge amount to lose. Same concept as the battle over dairy and poultry quotas.
Ah, so the real wealth transfer here is away from investors buying licenses and towards both front line workers and technology companies.

I approve.
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Uber vs Traditional Cabs comparison article by the Citizen http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-...aditional-cabs
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