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Old Posted May 13, 2014, 11:48 PM
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Parks aren't separate tracts in Seattle either.
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Old Posted May 14, 2014, 1:21 AM
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Golden Gate Park is indeed its own census tract, but the other 'parks' that form their own census tracts were until relatively recently federal military bases, naval yards, etc. My guess: it was just easier to make the newly added areas their own census tracts rather than reconfigure many other existing tracts. Think about it--the 3-square mile Presidio, a military base from 1776 until 1994 (when it was transferred to the National Park Service), wasn't part of San Francisco at all until 1996. Why change a whole bunch of existing census tracts when you can just add the Presidio in its entirety? Seems pretty reasonable to me, but again, I'm just guessing. Maybe the Census Bureau officials in question really were just nefarious, San Francisco boosters, eagerly awaiting the opportunity to grant San Francisco forumers bragging rights when SSP was invented two years later?
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Old Posted May 14, 2014, 2:47 AM
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Yeah sorry I'm a bit lazy right now. Here's a similar one regarding Houston... the smaller Loop is closer to 5 sqmi, but I'm sure you knew that

Courtesy of youllfindaway on Imugur

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Old Posted May 14, 2014, 3:07 AM
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How about Paris?
In Paris a 5 mi² square centered on Place du Châtelet would contain approximately 300,000 people. That's a bit less than downtown Manhattan, but this most central area of Paris is not the most densely inhabited part of Paris (it contains lots of offices, plus some parks and large uninhabited palaces like the Tuileries, the Louvre, the Luxembourg gardens, etc.). Real Parisian life also doesn't actually take place in that central 5 mi² square (this is touristland, plus some offices and museums). Real Parisian life rather takes place in a ring surrounding that 5 mi² square.

Slightly different, but I made this map below a few years ago. The four colored areas show the extent of urbanization in Paris before the Industrial Revolution. In other words, back in the end of the 18th century, the built-up area of Paris did not extend further than those 4 colored areas (Jefferson lived in the western-most part of the orange area, which at the time was an almost suburban and airy new district of the hyper dense city, immediately bordering the countryside, a bit like Belgravia in London back then).

These 4 colored areas cover a land area of exactly 4.0 mi². So it's a bit smaller than 5 mi². Within these 4 mi² there lived 221,892 people at the 2007 census. I haven't updated it since the 2007 census.

This most central area of Paris had a population of 500,000 inh. at the 1806 census. The population in this most central area (the 4 colored areas) peaked at the 1846 census (just before the start of Haussmannization), with a record 670,000 inhabitants (i.e. 167,000 ppsm). Then it declined continuously after 1846. At the 1999 census, only 216,700 people were left in those 4 mi² (during those 153 years, many buildings were either demolished by Haussmannization, or converted into offices).

Since 1999, the central areas of French cities have started to grow again, same as is seen in most of the rest of the Western world. In Paris, even this most central area has started to grow again, with a gain of 5,000 inhabitants between the 1999 and 2007 census, which is perhaps modest, but nonetheless quite impressive for such a central and historic area that has been completely built-up for more than 200 years already. The population density in 2007 in those 4 mi² was thus 55,420 ppsm (again, not the highest you can find in Paris; Paris reaches densities of 155,000 ppsm in several outer arrondissements, in particular around Belleville and at the northern foot of Montmartre Hill).



Orange: Rive Droite (Right Bank), known as the "Ville" back in the Middle Ages
Green: Isle of the Cité, known as the "Cité" ("City") back in the Middle Ages
Blue: Rive Gauche (Left Bank), known as the "Université" ("University") back in the Middle Ages
Red: St Louis Island, urbanized after the Middle Ages

The "Ville" was the commercial heart of Paris, the "City" was the administrative, royal, and religious heart of Paris, and the "University" was the educational and scholar heart of Paris, as the name implies (the "University" was also the largest producer of manuscripts in Medieval Europe, with the largest concentration of copyists, illuminators, and book sellers in Europe at the time). This business division of Paris still exists today to a large extent (the Right Bank is distinctly more busy and businesslike than the Left Bank, the Left Bank is more intellectual, and the Cité is a sort of US civic center devoid of local residents).
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Old Posted May 14, 2014, 4:17 AM
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In Houston, the smaller loop looks like 100 square miles or so, which matches what we've heard. Unless you mean the tiny center area, which looks like two or so.
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For Shanghai:

Prior to the merger of Luwan District with Huangpu district in 2011, Luwan District had a population of about 350 000 people in 3.14 square miles, giving a density of about 111 465 ppsm. Today, the new Huangpu District formed by the merger has a population of about 650 000 and an area of 8 square miles, giving a density of 81250ppsm.

If you chose Jing'an District as 'downtown' (and as much a case could be made for it as for Huangpu) you get 305 300 people in 2.98 square miles, giving a density of 102 450 ppsm.
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Old Posted May 14, 2014, 6:03 AM
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600 000 people transit in Dowtown Montréal each day. 320 000+ workers and more than 85 000 students. Downtown Montréal is 16,50km²

Not a huge residential population at night 89k-100k, but during the day, it's bustling with activity. Don't forget that Montréal has a population density of 12,000+/sq mi. Lots of dense neighborhoods close to the downtown core. However, there is a condo boom in the downtown core at the moment, the population will go up in the coming years.
Not to mention his map just missed Le Plateau, which is far more residential, though I'm not sure if that is really to be considered apart of Downtown Montreal.
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Old Posted May 14, 2014, 10:43 AM
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Looking at the Data on the NYTimes: http://projects.nytimes.com/census/2010/map?ref=us

How come Chicago parks are not separate census tracts? Parks are separate tracts in NYC, SF, Philly.
I think it's funny they are showing people whose primary residence is inside a park. Are they really going up to the homeless and trying to determine where they all live?
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Old Posted May 14, 2014, 3:24 PM
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Some parks have housing inside them for whatever reason...holdovers, park staff, or whatever. For example a park in my city used to be a military base, and the housing is still there.
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Old Posted May 14, 2014, 11:38 PM
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In Paris a 5 mi² square centered on Place du Châtelet would contain approximately 300,000 people. That's a bit less than downtown Manhattan, but this most central area of Paris is not the most densely inhabited part of Paris (it contains lots of offices, plus some parks and large uninhabited palaces like the Tuileries, the Louvre, the Luxembourg gardens, etc.). Real Parisian life also doesn't actually take place in that central 5 mi² square (this is touristland, plus some offices and museums). Real Parisian life rather takes place in a ring surrounding that 5 mi² square.
I don't think that area of NYC is the most densely inhabited area of NYC, either. It's arguably not the most central, either.

If one could exclude Central Park, the Upper West Side and Upper East Side are the most densely populated sections of NYC. Add a bit of Morningside Heights on the west side and Midtown East on the east side to get 5 square miles.
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Old Posted May 15, 2014, 5:14 PM
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Atlanta has some very weirdly shapes census blocks, but this is almost a rectangle, about 5sqmi, and covers the downtown/midtown area:


Area: 5.3 sqmi
Population: 41,665
Density: 7,860 people per sqmi
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