Palladium/Corel Centre/ Scotiabank Place/Canadian Tire Centre

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Luker

Agreed, unfortunately the formula has been proven and the citizenry has demonstrated its inclination for the status quo; hopefully that can change with time and the growing presence of sustainable living and the principles of urbanism in our societies.

I see no sign that backwater Ottawa shows any more appreciation of urbanism now, than it did in 1973.

[RTWAP]

I've gotta say that SBP doesn't seem old to me at all. It's not a particularly attractive building, but it never was. The amenities on the inside are all nice. The washrooms pretty much look they way they did when they were new. The concession keep getting updated. If they haven't already I'm sure they're working on replacing seating regularly. The scoreboard is new.

Literally the only thing they could do to improve it significantly would be to move it to a central location, but that isn't likely to happen, and it would also strain the parking situation. Does anyone want a see of parking (mostly unused) in a central location? Didn't we just get rid of that at Lansdowne?

[eemy]

Here's an idea. Just drive it down the Queensway to Hurdman!

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by RTWAP

Literally the only thing they could do to improve it significantly would be to move it to a central location, but that isn't likely to happen, and it would also strain the parking situation. Does anyone want a see of parking (mostly unused) in a central location? Didn't we just get rid of that at Lansdowne?

We could build parking garages or put it underground. And even with surface parking lots, they would probably be used every day by office workers/visitors/tourists (I'm thinking it would be built at Bayview).

The problem with Lansdowne was that it is in an area that sees (currently and in the past, until the redevelopment when parking will be scarce) little action outside of events.

If the Arena and related parking is in a business and touristic district, it will be used much more often.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by jeremy_haak

Here's an idea. Just drive it down the Queensway to Hurdman!

I've always thought of Hurdman as a great location for the NHL arena. It's a big transit hub AND its close to downtown AND it's right off the Queensway (albeit in a pretty congested section). We could give the entire land over to the Sens, the arena would take up only some of it and the rest could be leased for profit (and at Hurdman it would make quite the pretty penny!) In the perfect world in which we moved the VIA stop back to Union Station the current train station lands could be added to that site as well, providing even more land to lease and make money from.

It would be great if someone could make a business case for all this. I'd imagine such a location, with all the leasing revenue would be significantly more profitable than the current SBP site. If the difference is large enough to repay the capital cost of relocating SBP within 20-25 years it could be quite viable.

I can pipe-dream, can't I?

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

I've always thought of Hurdman as a great location for the NHL arena. It's a big transit hub AND its close to downtown AND it's right off the Queensway (albeit in a pretty congested section). We could give the entire land over to the Sens, the arena would take up only some of it and the rest could be leased for profit (and at Hurdman it would make quite the pretty penny!) In the perfect world in which we moved the VIA stop back to Union Station the current train station lands could be added to that site as well, providing even more land to lease and make money from.

It would be great if someone could make a business case for all this. I'd imagine such a location, with all the leasing revenue would be significantly more profitable than the current SBP site. If the difference is large enough to repay the capital cost of relocating SBP within 20-25 years it could be quite viable.

I can pipe-dream, can't I?

Hurdman would be a great spot. I thought of it myself. The only way I could see it happen is if we won a bid for an international event requiring a new NHL sized arena downtown.

We couldn't give the land to Melnyk though, or even have him decided on the development around it. I'm getting sick and tired of procedure like Lansdowne and the Casino.

[J.OT13]

BTW, can anyone change the name of the thread. I'm thinking Palladium replacement so that we don't have to change again every few years.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

BTW, can anyone change the name of the thread. I'm thinking Palladium replacement so that we don't have to change again every few years.

I created the thread but I can't figure out a way to change the name.

I agree Hurdman would be an awesome location for an arena...I can just imagine a redevelopment of the waterfront there with bars and restaurants, which is something Ottawa is sorely sorely lacking. A river city without access to the rivers.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Harley613

I created the thread but I can't figure out a way to change the name.

I agree Hurdman would be an awesome location for an arena...I can just imagine a redevelopment of the waterfront there with bars and restaurants, which is something Ottawa is sorely sorely lacking. A river city without access to the rivers.

Totally.

BTW, I believe only moderators have the power to change the name of a thread.

[JeffB]

Originally Posted by Harley613

I agree Hurdman would be an awesome location for an arena...I can just imagine a redevelopment of the waterfront there with bars and restaurants, which is something Ottawa is sorely sorely lacking. A river city without access to the rivers.

I'm sure if you suggested doing such a waterfront development, you would get a lot of complaints from people who feel that access to the river should be unencumbered. That way everyone can go down to the river, not the privileged few who can own property there.

[McC]

A lot of the greenspace along Riverside Dr. is protected for floodplane, and given Calgary, we should probably be thankful for the NCC's foresight there.

[kwoldtimer]

This is not a thing for another 20 years. Being it's Ottawa, make that 30 years.

[LeadingEdgeBoomer]

JeffB wrote

I agree Hurdman would be an awesome location for an arena...I can just imagine a redevelopment of the waterfront there with bars and restaurants, which is something Ottawa is sorely sorely lacking. A river city without access to the rivers

I was looking at an artists representation of the TOD plan for the Lees AV LRT station.
It shows some big buildings on the uOttawa Lees campus, including where the football field now is.
And it shows quite a bit of development across the river where Hurdman is. So perhaps there is hope that an arena for the Sens could be built there some day.

[McC]

The NCC considers Hurdman to be "development lands" in their land use plan, but they're in no hurry.

[J.OT13]

What does the future hold for the Canadian Tire Centre?

Dylan Dyson, CTV News Ottawa
Sept. 21, 2024

A potential move to LeBreton Flats for the Ottawa Senators is still years away, but questions and concerns are already being raised about what to do with the Canadian Tire Centre.

Being a massive building with wide open parking lots surrounding, Kanata South councillor Allan Hubley has grand ideas for the space.

"There was talk about turning this area into an entertainment district. There was some discussion that it could become a theme park,” Hubley told CTV News on Saturday.

“Ottawa is over a million people, we could use a theme park in this area, it would be well supported. Picture a waterslide coming off the fourth level."

"I'd like to see it maybe get turned into a casino or a concert venue,” said Sens fan Robbie Williams. “Or you can even do festivals and stuff like that in the parking lot.”

Currently, the Ottawa Senators say they do not have a plan for the CTC if or when they leave the area.

“We know that this is an important site for the city. We have had those conversations, and it's been clear to us by councilors in this area and the mayor that if and when we vacate this site, we're going to need to do something special with these lands,” said team CEO Cyril Leeder at Friday’s press conference.

“So that'll be part of the process for the work that will go on now, that we'll be able to get into what we will do with this site as we move forward.”

At this time, Hubley believes there is no desire to tear down the CTC if the Senators were to move out.

But the area councillor says "the last thing we want to do is level this and build more housing. We've got lots of housing going on."

Community concerns

But with the eventual move of Ottawa’s NHL team out of Kanata, local businesses fear they will take a hit from lost revenue.

"The last Toronto game we had (in Ottawa), it was about 10 to $12,000 just in jersey sales for the Leafs,” says Matt DiMillo, manager at Pro Hockey Life in the Kanata Centrum shopping centre.

“On a Saturday night at 6 p.m. or 7p.m., you can see all those people leaving those restaurants, making their way (to the game). And on your Saturday afternoon games, for sure, we'll lose a little bit of the atmosphere because in here we get piles of people coming in.”

During home games, Kanata restaurants are often packed with attending fans getting meals in before puck drop.

"I know we will definitely miss some of those rushes,” said Jamieson Bridal, manager at The Cheshire Cat Pub on Richardson Side Road.

“We are definitely going to be rooting for those years before the move."

While there are many seasons of pre-game rushes to come before a potential move, the restaurant sees the team’s departure as a backwards step for Ottawa’s west end.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/here-s-wha...ntre-1.7047496

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

At this time, Hubley believes there is no desire to tear down the CTC if the Senators were to move out.

But the area councillor says "the last thing we want to do is level this and build more housing. We've got lots of housing going on."

Good lord.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Good lord.

I'd say he probably just means he doesn't want the entire site to be housing, but Hubley is probably out of touch enough to think we don't need housing at all.

Sure I want to see something more than just housing. Love to see the building reused somehow for an attraction we don't already have, but there's nothing wrong with a few thousands units on site on top of that.

[Marshsparrow]

It'll meet the same fate of Detroit's Palace of Auburn Hills...

Or perhaps Dynamo will take it over...

Not much use once a sizeable venue is downtown - hardly any concerts will go there.

[DTcrawler]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I'd say he probably just means he doesn't want the entire site to be housing, but Hubley is probably out of touch enough to think we don't need housing at all.

Sure I want to see something more than just housing. Love to see the building reused somehow for an attraction we don't already have, but there's nothing wrong with a few thousands units on site on top of that.

Hubley is a sneaky big NIMBY. It just doesn't come to peoples' attention very often because there aren't that many proposals in his ward. Speaking of which, don't know why they even interviewed this buffoon considering the CTC isn't in his ward, it's in Gower's ward.

But recall how much of a stink Hubley and locals raised over that modest infill dev at Maple Grove / McCurdy. Outer-Greenbelt NIMBYs are just as bad, if not worse, than urban ones, they just don't get a chance to rear their ugly heads as often.

While I feel bad for businesses who've catered to CTC-driven patronage for the past 28 years, you can't open up a business in the burbs and expect to be propped up by major events traffic to be sustainable indefinitely. Oh no, Pro Hockey Life won't be able to sell leafs jerseys when the leafs come to town! Give me a break, if you want tourists and other non-locals to visit your business, you need to be more centrally located. The burbs are meant for chain restaurants and Costcos.

[rocketphish]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

It'll meet the same fate of Detroit's Palace of Auburn Hills...

Or perhaps Dynamo will take it over...

Not much use once a sizeable venue is downtown - hardly any concerts will go there.

If nothing else shows up, they could have monster truck shows every sunday, Sunday, SUNDAY!