[New West] Sapperton Green | Proposed - Page 2

s211 · #21 Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 8:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by AverageJoe

I wonder if the Sapperton Green project is toast. There are talks now for the warehouse next to Braid Station to be a new warehouse for Amazon as their existing facility is insufficient.

Amazon is looking at numerous locations, as I understand it.

jsbertram · #22 Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 11:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by s211

Amazon is looking at numerous locations, as I understand it.

That building had quite a few older train cars on the siding north of it.

I haven't been by there in a while, so does anyone know if the old trains are still there?
or relocated somewhere else?

madog222 · #23 Posted **Mar 18, 2015, 12:25 AM**

^They are still there, under tarps and probably haven't moved in years.

red-paladin · #24 Posted **Mar 18, 2015, 4:02 AM**

As much as it would be great for this project to go forward, is it really a good idea for a giant warehouse with rail and road access right next to the freeway to be redeveloped? One would think this is the kind of industrial property that we can't really afford to throw away.

officedweller · #25 Posted **Jun 8, 2016, 7:39 PM**

100 Braid St. is across the street from the proposed Sapperton Green office park:

http://100braid.com/

http://100braid.com/

Wesgroup Properties and Urban Academy are teaming up to build a 60,000 square-foot school and 195,000 square feet of residential at 100 Braid St. Photograph By Contributed
http://www.newwestrecord.ca/news/urb....ucbdntby.dpuf

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Urban Academy gets green light for urban school in New West
Theresa McManus | New West Record
June 1, 2016 03:23 PM

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After two previous plans for a school expansion at its current site in the Queen’s Park neighbourhood were rejected, the school got the green light for a new school at Braid Street and Brunette Avenue in Sapperton. Urban Academy has partnered with Wesgroup Properties on a project that would see a 60,000-square-foot school, a residential highrise and 4,300 square feet of art gallery and studio space built at 100 Braid St.

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During Monday’s public hearing about the rezoning of 100 Braid St., the city heard from several artists who are concerned how the future plan for the site would impact 100 Braid Street Studios. The project would eventually result in the demolition of the business that provides studio space for 17 artists, as well as space for rehearsals, performances, weddings and other events.

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While the Wesgroup has agreed to provide 4,300 square feet of art gallery and studio space in the new development, Greig said it isn’t suitable for her business model and she will look for a new space. Planet Lazer and Bullpen Baseball School would be affected by the development by 2017, with other tenants, including 100 Braid Street Studios, possibly having five years on the site.

- See more at: http://www.newwestrecord.ca/news/urb....ucbdntby.dpuf

retro_orange · #26 Posted **Jul 13, 2017, 6:05 AM**

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Developer drives forward with plan for Sapperton Green

Theresa McManusNew West Record
July 12, 2017 04:37 PM

City council has endorsed QuadReal Property Group’s preliminary master plan concept for the 38-acre Sapperton Green site at 97 Braid St. It will include a mix of medium- to high-density residential, office, retail, open space and community facilities.

Photograph By Contributed

New Westminster is laying the groundwork for consideration of a massive development on the eastern edge of the city.

City council has endorsed QuadReal Property Group’s preliminary master plan concept, which has been prepared as a basis for initiating a public consultation process and preparing a rezoning application for council’s consideration. Located at 97 Braid St., the 38-acre Sapperton Green site will include a mix of medium- to high-density residential, office, retail, open space and community facilities on a site that includes the Braid Street SkyTrain station and the bus loop.

Vince Fernandez, a senior designer at Musson Cattell Mackey Partnership, said the official community plan targets 3.4 million square feet of residential, 750,000 to 1.5 million square feet of commercial and approximately 150,000 square feet of retail at Sapperton Green.

While the developer is permitted to build towers of up to 35 storeys in height, Fernandez said the proponent wants to layer their heights to create visual interest in the skyline and to avoid building a solid wall of towers. Thirteen to 14 towers are proposed for the site.

“This is a test. It is really a draft master plan,” he said of preliminary renderings presented to council. “We need to test the site and see what we can fit to achieve the OCP densities.”

Located at the corner of Braid Avenue and Brunette Street, access to the site has been a primary consideration. One of Sapperton Green’s core principles has been to minimize traffic impacts on the adjacent residential neighbourhoods.

Bruce Hemstock, a principal with PWL Partnership, said the site will feature strong east-west and north-south greenways that will help pedestrians and cyclists move around Sapperton Green.

In terms of the “hierarchy of movement” on the site, Hemstock said pedestrians are Number 1, bicycles are Number 2, buses and public transit are Number 3, and cars are Number 4. Even though cars are lowest in that hierarchy, he said they can’t be forgotten so Sapperton Green will have a strong road network through the site and will connect into the existing road network.

Coun. Mary Trentadue likes the idea of putting pedestrians first and cars last in terms of site access.

“I really admire that. I think that’s a really important way to start this kind of project,” she said. “I really hope that type of thinking will also play into the parking to be provided for these buildings.

Perhaps this would be a great time for the city to start talking about parking requirements and how much parking is required on a site that’s literally on the same site as transit.”

QuadReal is aiming to have the Sapperton Green rezoning application considered at a public hearing in 2018.

“I would encourage you to be bold in your planning and bring forward some exciting ideas for us,” Trentadue said.

© 2017 New West Record

http://www.newwestrecord.ca/news/dev...een-1.21098916

invisibleairwaves · #27 Posted **Jul 13, 2017, 9:13 AM**

The access thing is a huge deal for sure- there's literally one road in or out of the entire site and I'm not sure how they could fix that without putting a road through Hume Park or building some substantial new overpasses. Putting transit and pedestrians first is awesome but at some point isn't it kind of a public safety issue? Especially on a site next to freight rail lines.

Marshal · #28 Posted **Jul 13, 2017, 9:27 AM**

They should consider an automobile route that parallels the Braid Station bus entry and exit routes.

officedweller · #29 Posted **Jul 13, 2017, 10:34 PM**

Looks like there are 2 rods into the site from Braid.
The wider one is probably meant for bus access.
The narrow route to the north will probably be the busier route for residents - it is more direct and accesses the east end of the site.
The other road is too circuitous.

red-paladin · #30 Posted **Jul 14, 2017, 2:46 AM**

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Xrayal · #31 Posted **Jul 14, 2017, 5:07 AM**

Here are 3 images from the presentation to council to help with the access and circulation questions.
They have added Wilson as an access. They also have some type of understanding agreement with Translink to use the bus only ramps in the future. Though its sounds like they still need to be finalized and approved in the end by Translink.

Sapperton Green 1 by mullux

Sapperton Green 2 by mullux

Sapperton Green 3 by mullux

Marshal · #32 Posted **Jul 14, 2017, 9:48 AM**

That's probably about the best they can do without destroying things of value in the surrounding area.

Tetsuo · #33 Posted **Jul 14, 2017, 11:02 AM**

How is Hume Park School going to be able to take in any more student the area's redevelopment will bring

rickvug · #34 Posted **Jul 14, 2017, 4:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tetsuo

How is Hume Park School going to be able to take in any more student the area's redevelopment will bring

Best guess is that they will have to rebuild Hume Park elementary. Funding aside, this as a problem with an easy solution. The land is right there and the location is right.

What is tougher is the Middle School. All of Sapperton falls into the Glenbrooke Middle catchment (near Queens Park). It is both far away from Sapperton Green and at capacity without room for expansion. These issues are flagged for discussion with the school board. I bet they'll do an analysis of all the upcoming development city wide and realize the need for another middle school for the East side of the city. Finding any land would be very difficult so I bet it will be placed in an existing park. Either that or the developers here should be forced to carve out enough space to accommodate a school.

officedweller · #35 Posted **Mar 5, 2020, 12:31 AM**

New Renderings via Hive:

February 2020 artistic rendering of Sapperton Green at 97 Braid Street, New Westminster. (Musson Cattell Mackey Partnership / QuadReal Properties)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/sapp...ew-westminster

February 2020 proposed phasing plan of Sapperton Green at 97 Braid Street, New Westminster. (Musson Cattell Mackey Partnership / QuadReal Properties)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/sapp...ew-westminster

Klazu · #36 Posted **Mar 5, 2020, 3:10 AM**

New Westminster is eager to build tower clusters like this, thinking that the same barely 4-lane road infrastructure can support the thousands of people added and their hundreds upon hundreds of cars.

TheTerminalCity · #37 Posted **Mar 5, 2020, 5:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

New Westminster is eager to build tower clusters like this, thinking that the same barely 4-lane road infrastructure can support the thousands of people added and their hundreds upon hundreds of cars.

How different is this in concept from Newport and Suter Brook out in Port Moody? Minimal internal road structures, suburban location, SkyTrain relatively close, high density with some modest employment and retail space. Those areas seem to be active and thriving whenever I have passed through and not choked with cars. Admittedly I'm not there at rush hour nor driving (but then isn't that part of the point?)

Tetsuo · #38 Posted **Mar 5, 2020, 6:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

New Westminster is eager to build tower clusters like this, thinking that the same barely 4-lane road infrastructure can support the thousands of people added and their hundreds upon hundreds of cars.

CanSpice · #39 Posted **Mar 6, 2020, 4:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tetsuo

How is Hume Park School going to be able to take in any more student the area's redevelopment will bring

In the three years since this question was asked, the school district has since bought a property near Hume Park School to be used as a location for a future school, so at least they're doing some kind of future planning around that.

fredinno · #40 Posted **Mar 6, 2020, 7:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by CanSpice

In the three years since this question was asked, the school district has since bought a property near Hume Park School to be used as a location for a future school, so at least they're doing some kind of future planning around that.

Where?

Also, are the industrial parcels south of Braid also slated for development?