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Old Posted Jan 18, 2011, 2:13 PM
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might need to adjust the title: "Amendment requested for 12-storey office and 24-storey residential building"
Is that offical now.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2011, 2:39 PM
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As I mentioned before, I think this would be a great area for buildings of this size and height, as they'd bridge the gap between the Lebreton Flats redevelopment, and the Place De Ville towers up on the hill...
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some revised elevations/sections/site plan have been posted on the application page, showing the 24 storey building
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__7BL9GQ
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some revised elevations/sections/site plan have been posted on the application page, showing the 24 storey building
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__7BL9GQ
That is progress. I like the curtain wall and roof top cap. The thinner Condo tower looks great. I still want to see more effort on the office tower, maybe a set back or two. It will be interesting to see the materials used, there is alot of take about stone to be similar to the church.

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Designers working to respect Christ Church Cathedral heritage

Concerns highrise may dwarf century-old cathedral

By Maria Cook, The Ottawa Citizen May 2, 2011

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http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/De...ch+Cathedral+heritage/4707332/story.html

Christ Church Cathedral occupies a spectacular and visible site on the escarpment west of Parliament Hill, overlooking the Ottawa River. The distinctive stone building, flanked by its soaring bell tower, is seen in dramatic silhouette above the Garden of the Provinces.

The Anglican cathedral plans to develop the land surrounding the 138-year-old building to generate income for its ministries.

A proposal for a 21-storey condominium tower, a row of townhouses and a 12-storey office building goes to the City of Ottawa planning committee May 9 and council on May 11 for approval. There are about 130 residential units.

The design aims to transform a patchwork of parking lots and historic structures into a coherent urban block that integrates contemporary buildings with the cathedral.

“We see the cathedral as being the really unique element,” says architect Gordon Stratford, of HOK Toronto. “We didn’t want anything that would fight with the building. We wanted to respect and work with the heritage on the site.”

Images of the project show muted colours, pedestrian spaces, and lots of trees and plants. The forms are simple and the contemporary materials are intended to be in harmony with the old brick and stone buildings.

The diocese and cathedral have a deal with Windmill Development Group of Ottawa for a 220,000-square-foot development on 35,000 square feet of leased land.

The site is bounded by Bronson Street to the west, St. Peter’s Lutheran Church to the east, Sparks Street to the south and Queen Street to the north. The backdrop to the church is a wall of residential high-rises.

The developer is asking for a zoning amendment for a height increase. The current zoning is for seven to eight storeys. If approved, the condo tower would be the highest building on the block, but not in the area.

Cathedral Hill is a designated heritage district; new buildings are supposed to be sensitive and complementary.

An earlier design showed a boxier 15-storey residential building. Now it is 21 storeys plus a mechanical floor. The top two storeys are penthouse units set back from the rest of the tower to shape the top and respect protected sightlines related to Parliament Hill.

The designers suggest that a taller, more slender tower can better address urban design issues on the site, compared with a shorter building of the same interior size.

It means that the footprint of the tower at ground level is smaller, permitting courtyards and pedestrian passages. It also reduces the amount of view blocked for neighbours across the street.

Roper House, a former lumber baron’s mansion that serves as the bishop’s office, is preserved. So is Lauder Hall, built in 1902 and housing church offices and choir space. The plan includes partial retention of two semi-detached houses on Queen Street built in the 1800s.

The key to unlocking the potential of the site while keeping the houses is removal of the 1950s Cathedral Hall facing Sparks Street, and construction of a new parish hall in the centre of the site.

This permits the designers to slip a narrow tower behind Roper House and put lower-scaled townhouses where the church hall used to be.

The townhouses are a key element in the urban design strategy. They provide a lower building along Sparks Street to make a more pedestrian-friendly streetscape and use stone to relate to the older buildings. The townhouses match Roper House in scale at its west end while deferring to the cathedral to the east.

The condo tower rises from behind the townhouses. Designed with a curve, it will feature opaque and transparent glass.

“This will be a very well-mannered building,” says Stratford. “We want to make sure it’s interesting but subtle enough to serve as a quiet backdrop to the cathedral.”

Stratford said the scheme will allow people to appreciate the site’s history. “You will all of a sudden take notice of the cathedral again,” he said.

“You will come into closer contact with the cathedral than you do now.”

The cathedral will be framed by new buildings and have a new plaza in front. There will be new pedestrian routes between Sparks and Queen. The townhouses are set back more than the present church hall so the cathedral is more visible.

The office building is pushed back further than in an earlier scheme to allow a clear view from St. Peter’s to the cathedral.

A new entrance designed as a glass pavilion “gives the cathedral some much-needed breathing space, and allows it to be more fully appreciated as a significant landmark,” says Stratford. “Glass has been purposely selected to provide an understated backdrop to the beautiful detailing and rusticated stone.”

The proponents worked closely with the city’s new urban design review panel, a volunteer advisory group of architects, urban designers and landscape architects.

Windmill’s chief executive Jonathan Westeinde praised them for “valuable insight” and said they helped make the case with city planners for a taller building.

The panel shifted the discussion from compliance with setbacks and height limits to design, pedestrian experience and continuity of streetscape.

“It was a real factor in getting the same amount of density in a more esthetically pleasing form,“ says Westeinde. “The planning department had always stipulated not going higher than 15 storeys. The design review panel was able to provide the influence to get past the height barriers.”

Otherwise, he says, they would have had no choice but to build a rectangular box. The pair of semi-detached houses are being preserved in exchange.

“Because the site is so significant we felt there really needed to be some serious critiquing of any proposal,” said panel chair David Leinster, a Toronto landscape architect.

“The new architecture should recede,” he said. “We wanted to keep the footprint as small as we could. We wanted to make sure the spire was maintained as a dominant vertical element. We wanted the places where the public can wander to be very special.”

The panel supports the cathedral’s efforts to keep going. “In Toronto, we’ve seen magnificent churches and cathedrals being turned into condos,” he said. “We didn’t want to see something like that happen.”

Still, community associations express concern about size.

“While I appreciate that the condo building has got thinner it has also got taller, and it now dwarfs the cathedral spire,” says Eric Darwin, president of the Dalhousie Community Association. “The new condo, taller than the rest of the block, will set a new precedent for the next condo.”

Adds Charles Akben-Marchand, president of the Centretown Citizens Community Association: “The office building is still very close to the spire of the church. One of our concerns was the addition of office development west of Lyon, which was supposed to remain residential.”

Both towers are to be built to state-of-the art environmental standards, at least LEED platinum. The original idea for the office building was to be a hub for environmental organizations.

“We’re not giving up on that concept, but most of the organizations we started with are in deep financial trouble,” says Westeinde.

Meanwhile, St. Peter’s Lutheran Church is in talks with the developer.

“Our issues include building setback from the east side adjacent to our church to protect our views as much as possible, and the potential loss of our parking spaces adjacent to the west side of our church,” said spokesman Bruce Wolfgram. “We are hopeful that we will all come to an agreeable solution.”

Windmill expects to start marketing the condos in June and start construction next winter to open in spring 2013.

Units are expected to start at about $270,000 with no prices yet on the penthouses.






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The panel shifted the discussion from compliance with setbacks and height limits to design, pedestrian experience and continuity of streetscape... “The planning department had always stipulated not going higher than 15 storeys. The design review panel was able to provide the influence to get past the height barriers.”
nice to hear there was some focus on what really matters. like the look of the artist's conceptions. a good news story IMO.
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I assume everyone thinks this will all be approved come May 11th ?
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I certainly hope so. It's a good layout in terms of the site plan, but we all know what the usual outcry will be. I just don't want to see another stunning location graced with a stumpy Ottawa box due to the complaints of residents.
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Old Posted May 3, 2011, 8:36 PM
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Ok, if the buildings that are approved have nice character lines, and are a stark contrast to the stumpy boxes of old, then this will be an awesome project to watch when it gets underway!
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Old Posted May 4, 2011, 7:07 PM
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Go figure - Diane Holmes hates it. She would have campaigned against 4 storeys, I'm sure. And what the hell is 'inhumanely-scaled, really? What does 'human scale' have to do with buildings? Is it going to attack people? I'm sick of this weird, scary sounding language surrounding developments. It looks good, makes use of the site, respects the church as best it can (but not as much as if it were not there at all), but as usual, this is Ottawa. In other words, height and setbacks and measurements rules all, design, appearance, and function be damned. No wonder we have so many ugly buildings in this city - people see in numbers and rules, not shapes and colours.
Holmes needs to go. She's the worst obstructionist ever. Yet she wants to bring life and excitement back to downtown. Presumably without bringing in more people, buildings, or noise.
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Isnt she pushing 90? by the time its built maybe she ll be gone .
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The problem is that nobody ever runs against her who has a chance of winning. I still can't believe how many people voted for her last election. I guess there's still a lot of old cranks in Centretown.
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I wish Ottawa could get beyond its strange relationship with height and "scale" and see this site as an opportunity to require the developer to come up with some truly world class design (or at least a showcase for Canadian design). The condo tower shown in the render is not terrible, although it will not improve if it loses floors in the usual Ottawa fashion, and the office building seems to me just another Centretown box. I would wish for more for this site, not more of the same.
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Cathedral Hill project OK’d by heritage advisory committee

Proposal now goes to city planning

By MEGHAN HURLEY, The Ottawa Citizen May 6, 2011

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http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/Ca...ee/4736008/story.html?cid=megadrop_story

OTTAWA — A proposal to build a 21-storey condominium tower, a row of townhouses and a 12-storey office building around the Christ Church Cathedral will move ahead to the city’s planning committee after it was approved by the Ottawa Built Heritage Advisory Committee on Thursday night.

The committee voted in favour of the proposal going to the City of Ottawa planning committee May 9 and then to council on May 11 for approval.

The Anglican cathedral plans to develop the land surrounding the 138-year-old building to generate income for its ministries.

The design aims to transform a patchwork of parking lots and historic structures into a coherent urban block that integrates contemporary buildings with the cathedral.

The diocese and cathedral have a deal with Windmill Development Group of Ottawa for a 220,000-square foot development on 35,000 square feet of leased land.

The site is bounded by Bronson Street to the west, St. Peter’s Lutheran Church to the east, Sparks Street to the south and Queen Street to the north.

The backdrop to the church is a wall of residential high-rises.

Cathedral Hill is a designated heritage district, and new buildings are supposed to be sensitive and complementary.

An earlier design showed a boxier, 15-storey residential building. Now it is 21 storeys plus a mechanical floor. The top two storeys are penthouse units set back from the rest of the tower to shape the top and to respect protected sightlines related to Parliament Hill.

The designers suggest that a taller, more slender tower can better address urban design issues on the site, compared with a shorter building of the same interior size.

However, community associations have expressed concern about the size of the proposed development.

“Normally, a neighbourhood would end tapering down, and this would do the opposite. It tapers up,” said Charles Akben-Marchand, president of the Centretown Citizens Community Association.

“You can see how the office building really crowds the steeple of the church.”

The keys to unlocking the potential of the site while keeping the houses are removal of the 1950s Cathedral Hall facing Sparks Street and construction of a new parish hall in the centre of the site.

That allows the designers to slip a narrow tower behind Roper House and put ­lower­-scaled townhouses where the church hall was.

The townhouses are key elements in the urban design strategy. They provide a lower building along Sparks Street to make a more pedestrian-friendly streetscape and use stone to relate to the older buildings. The townhouses match Roper House in scale at its west end while deferring to the cathedral to the east.

The cathedral will be framed by new buildings and have a new plaza in front. There will be new pedestrian routes between Sparks and Queen. The townhouses are set back more than the present church hall so the cathedral is more visible.

The office building is pushed back further than in an earlier scheme to allow a clear view from St. Peter’s to the cathedral.




Definitely good news here!

“You can see how the office building really crowds the steeple of the church.” - This person should go see what a lot of the churches in Montreal look like!! Albeit, their buildings are somewhat taller than Ottawa's.
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- This person should go see what a lot of the churches in Montreal look like!! Albeit, their buildings are somewhat taller than Ottawa's. -

Well, they did revolt against the church to enhance and improve their economic, social, and political standing. Which was by all accounts seriously detrimental and in poor standing compared to the rest of the western world. Thus it's not suprised that they had no problem building their 'new big shinny symbols of power' over the church.

Furthermore,in the mid 20th century it was much easier to 'swindle' the city councils and residents in order to build taller buildings over heritage buildings (and dwarf churches and other historical buildings' for 'economic enhancement and revitalization'. This just doesn't simply happen the way it used.

That being said I do love this project and give it a solid 9/10.
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The obligatory bleeding-heart whiner article in the Citizen today; Someone who bought a high-rise condo 20 years ago across from the site and is now complaining about her right to the killer view. Yes, and her property values, too. And yet again: "it's the community's land, not the church's".
Amazing that they send a reporter out every time someone picks up the phone to complain about their annoyance of an unavoidable reality of urban living.Which is every single day.
Same edition: Glebe resident annoyed that buses will be going down her street due to Bank Street reconstruction. Judging by the responses, people are getting pretty sick and tired of this constant complaining over nothing. I can think of bigger issues than a downtown view or a bus on a street, but hey, when you're entitled, you're entitled.
The Citizen needs to stop being the voicepiece for downtown whiners.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/De...ew+lower+resale+value/4748500/story.html

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Glebe+...es/4748431/story.html?cid=megadrop_story
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The obligatory bleeding-heart whiner article in the Citizen today; Someone who bought a high-rise condo 20 years ago across from the site and is now complaining about her right to the killer view. Yes, and her property values, too. And yet again: "it's the community's land, not the church's".
Amazing that they send a reporter out every time someone picks up the phone to complain about their annoyance of an unavoidable reality of urban living.Which is every single day.
Same edition: Glebe resident annoyed that buses will be going down her street due to Bank Street reconstruction. Judging by the responses, people are getting pretty sick and tired of this constant complaining over nothing. I can think of bigger issues than a downtown view or a bus on a street, but hey, when you're entitled, you're entitled.
The Citizen needs to stop being the voicepiece for downtown whiners.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/De...ew+lower+resale+value/4748500/story.html

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Glebe+...es/4748431/story.html?cid=megadrop_story
There seems to be this mind set downtown by some noise and traffic do not belong downtown and it seems more and more are complaining.As for the comments its the communitys land the probleam more or less is people say that over and over this is our land yet if asked if they would support paying so much to buy the land oh now we should not do that just look at the beaver pond as a exzample.
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Well, there's now a special interest group dedicated to getting that bus off that particular street (something like 'Stop The Bus Ottawa' or something similarly ridiculous). The reasoning is that buses kill children and have no part in downtown neighbourhoods, thus the Glebe bus should bypass the Glebe on its current route. No mention of whether people in the Glebe might actually want to catch that bus inside their community, but it's clear public transit is unwanted and unused by the people complaining.
As for the cathedral site, one commenter wants the condo owners to sue the city for 'breach of trust', as if there's been an unspoken rule in Ottawa for decades that all development will happen in the suburbs and no change will ever occur downtown.
It seems whenever one of these people encounters the position that 'intensification is necessary', they inevitably come back with the assertion that the city is greedy for allowing development downtown, that this is an entirely new sort of problem that never happened in the past (though I question how the existing tall buildings got there), and that their rights are being trampled on.

I have to wonder how this mindset was nurtured and reinforced? The logical person in me says they must realize that this is not how any municipality operates, that these so-called 'rights' can't logically exist in educated people's minds, yet here we are listening to this, again and again. What is going on here?
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From a different tragedy:

"... it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."

Buildings will be built, buses will run and folks will fume and lobby. All same old, same old.
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