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Thats the thing, i agree with the right to protest, but I do not believe in destroying every possible civic event. These people are simply trying to start trouble, not solve it.
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Well, if they do anything they best be prepared for some heckling.

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Thats the thing, i agree with the right to protest, but I do not believe in destroying every possible civic event. These people are simply trying to start trouble, not solve it.
They are the reason why Vancouver itself didn't have a public one-year countdown event (unlike every other Olympic city before us)....and they know it and are obviously quite content about it.

I agree that the rights of minority should be respected, but since when are the rights of the minority more important than the rights of the majority? Nevermind rights, it's all about human decency and common courtesy. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
     
     
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I don't think anybody would object to peaceful protests, fine (so long as they don't inconvenience me ), they could do that as much as they want.

But they clearly try to incite violence, and try to intimidate people whether they are 2 years old or 90.

Not to mention they cost the taxpayers thousands of dollars in cleanup every time they vandalize something. You know, money that could go to social housing

Our torch relay will be interesting!
     
     
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I don't think anybody would object to peaceful protests, fine (so long as they don't inconvenience me ), they could do that as much as they want.

But they clearly try to incite violence, and try to intimidate people whether they are 2 years old or 90.

Our torch relay will be interesting!
A few months ago, CP's "Spirit Train" made a cross country tour. And protesters in Ontario blocked the train from passing for hours by standing on the tracks. The police just stood there and didn't do anything, not a good precedent for the torch relay obviously as security is up to the locals though there should be a dozen guards or so running and guarding the torch bearer and the flame just like for Beijing. And the torch relay convoy itself is going to be 15 vehicles long.
     
     
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A few months ago, CP's "Spirit Train" made a cross country tour. And protesters in Ontario blocked the train from passing for hours by standing on the tracks. The police just stood there and didn't do anything, not a good precedent for the torch relay obviously as security is up to the locals though there should be a dozen guards or so running and guarding the torch bearer and the flame just like for Beijing. And the torch relay convoy itself is going to be 15 vehicles long.
It's such a shame that a "lack of maintenance" didn't keep the brakes from "accidentally" failing.

With CP's track record it wouldn't be completely unbelievable.
     
     
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It's such a shame that a "lack of maintenance" didn't keep the brakes from "accidentally" failing.

With CP's track record it wouldn't be completely unbelievable.
Well, if a protester tries to tackle a torch bearer and steal the flame hopefully the only person that gets injured is the protester....running away with flames engulfing their clothes. Yet somehow, they'll be able to blame it on the organizers and that it's dangerous...

Nothing more but tantrums from these types.


And with the RCMP/VSU so focused on preventing protesters from stirring sh!t, the same resources can't be put to preventing international terrorism during the Games. So really, if a bomb blows up during 2010 and it turns out it was by Al Qaeda or some other religious extremist group you can certainly blame it on the tantrum making protesters fighting so-called just causes as "end capitalism and free housing".
     
     
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The reasons these guys are protesting so loudly is because their issue isn't valid. If their protest was worthwhile like they claim they wouldn't need to do anything so drastic to attract attention. A simple candle light vigil or hunger strike would suffice as people would be on their side. But since the public in general doesn't care about their issue or see the correlation between the games and homelessness the protesters have resorted to extreme measures to get attention.
They can't make a convincing argument so they resort to throwing a tantrum, like a child. The way to stop it is to ignore it however difficult it can be at times. For this I blame the media who can't help but glorify them like they do with drug dealers.
     
     
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The reasons these guys are protesting so loudly is because their issue isn't valid. If their protest was worthwhile like they claim they wouldn't need to do anything so drastic to attract attention. A simple candle light vigil or hunger strike would suffice as people would be on their side. But since the public in general doesn't care about their issue or see the correlation between the games and homelessness the protesters have resorted to extreme measures to get attention.
They can't make a convincing argument so they resort to throwing a tantrum, like a child. The way to stop it is to ignore it however difficult it can be at times. For this I blame the media who can't help but glorify them like they do with drug dealers.
Yeah, it's unfortunate for their cause when the only correlation is "because of the Olympics at least $200 million more has gone to build social housing, than would have gone to social housing if there was no Olympics". Oops?
     
     
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These people are rats.
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Nevermind rights, it's all about human decency and common courtesy. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
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Our tax dollars are paying for affordable housing and our tax dollars are paying for the GAMES. It's time for those of us who really are footing the bill to stand up to this scurge of thugs. Start lockin' em up that'll give 'em somewhere to sleep. These thugs do not represent the majority of homeless persons who just want a safe place to live their lives.

I am completely sympathetic with the need to do more for the homeless and underpriveleged but thats why I pay taxes to the government and I believe the BC Government is working hard to renovate buildings as fast as they can.

Start gettin' tough with these creeps Mr Mayor. Start worrying about this issue and not about bike lanes on bridges.
     
     
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Rights go out the window to create a seamless 2010 circus

Proposed Vancouver city bylaw takes dead aim at anyone who might express a contrary view or protest during the Winter Olympics

By Daphne Bramham, Vancouver SunJuly 21, 2009

In the flush of bidding for and winning the right to host the Olympics, nobody talked about how staging them might mean limiting civil liberties.

It's only now, with seven months until the 2010 Winter Games begin, that organizers and compliant politicians are revealing plans to make it more difficult to exercise our fundamental constitutional rights to free speech, peaceful assembly and free expression.

For months now, police have been knocking on the doors of known activists and tracking them down in their neighbourhoods to "chat" about their Olympic protest plans. But that's only part of it.

An omnibus bylaw that staff insists is "critical to the success of the Games" goes to Vancouver city council today.

The bylaw relaxes rules for Games-related events, limits free expression and speech in public and private spaces, and grants sweeping discretionary powers to Mayor Gregor Robertson and City Manager Penny Ballem to do whatever is "warranted," "necessary or desirable" to ensure the Olympics' "safety and security" and "protection of commercial rights."

It also claims none of this is intended to impact political expression or the right to lawful protest.

That might not be the intent, but it may be the result. And rather chillingly, we may never know whether any of this is legal because there's little time left for anyone to initiate a court case against these rights-challenging changes before the Olympics begin in February.

Here are some examples of what's in the bylaw:

- It would allow the right to search anyone and their bags at any of the six designated "city sites."

Those include the Vancouver Public Library's main branch, the Roundhouse Community Centre, Queen Elizabeth Theatre and David Lam Park.

- It would prohibit anyone at a city site, who would "cause any disturbance or nuisance interfering with the enjoyment of entertainment on city land by other persons."

Neither 'nuisance' nor 'disturbance' is defined and the bylaw isn't clear whether police or private security will be enforcing the rules.

- The bylaw grants authority to install closed-circuit cameras and set up airport-type security at all city sites.

- To ensure that the inevitable protests will be quiet ones, megaphones, amplification devices or "anything that makes noise" that might interfere with the celebrations are banned at city sites.

- Only signs licensed by the city are allowed at city sites.

- City-licensed street performers won't be allowed along the designated Olympic corridors, celebration sites or near the venues. They will just have to find somewhere else in the city to entertain. Because, heaven knows, they might say or do something undesirable.

Only Vanoc-approved performers will be in the high-traffic areas during the Games.

- No leaflets, pamphlets or flyers with commercial content can be distributed at the celebration sites, along pedestrian corridors leading to Olympic venues or streets in the immediate vicinity of the venues.

The aim is to "create a halo effect," reducing the potential for so-called ambush marketing by companies that aren't Games sponsors, according to the staff report to council.

But it's not clear who will be determining what is commercial and what is political. In addition, the city manager would have the power "to make other rules if warranted" for the sites.

- No vehicles can carry exterior advertising on city streets. Buses are exempt, but Vanoc has already purchased all that advertising space.

- Construction hoardings are expected to be targets for an increased number of posters and graffiti, which the report describes as "a nuisance and eyesore."

Both must be removed immediately or the city will move in, clean up and charge the owners. This is to ensure that -- as the report says -- Vancouver "puts its best 'look' forward for the Games."

The bylaw's preamble says the aim is to create "a fair and reasonable balance" between "the rights and privileges which citizens of the city customarily enjoy" and enhancing and securing the 2010 Winter Olympics.

But as B.C. Civil Liberties Association president Robert Holmes said Monday, "When they put all of our rights in the balance to create a circus, then they really have gone too far."

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- Construction hoardings are expected to be targets for an increased number of posters and graffiti, which the report describes as "a nuisance and eyesore."
They are an eyesore, it is not your property, vandalism is not a right!
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I don't get it, how are my rights being quashed? Sorry if I can't find the hysteria in that

Wait until they find out that at each Canucks game you could be patted down and will have any bags searched, and that has nothing to do with the Olympics!

Gary Bettman just trying to get us down!

Also, any play on Broadway, any high profile observation tower in the USA has "airport" security... Sears Tower, Empire State... even the Tokyo Metropolitan Building conducts bag searches.

And ironically, if these people and their violent extremism didn't exist, it wouldn't be necessary.
     
     
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this is a little extreme - are they gonna cover up the store names on Robson street next?

Newspapers targetted by Olympic bylaw


From New Year's Day until the day before April Fool's Day, it could be harder to find a copy of 24 hours in Vancouver.

That's because a proposed bylaw going to city council today would ban advertising matter - including newspapers distributed by hand - "on, in, or above any zone street, venue corridor, pedestrian corridor or Olympic lane" from Jan. 1 to March 31.

"Our mandate is to deliver the news to the community and advertising is only one component of it," said 24 hours general manager Philip Tan. "Any bylaw which infringes on our ability to deliver that information goes against the public interest."

Olympic operations director Paul Henderson claimed staff who wrote the bylaw could not differentiate between newspapers and other commercial literature. He said the city must uphold anti-ambush marketing pledges to the International Olympic Committee.

24 hours is not a Games sponsor.

"The goal is to reduce litter, reduce congestion, reduce commercialization of the streets," Henderson said.

"The idea of bringing the Olympics into town was so the world can discover Vancouver and all that it has to offer," Tan said. "Restricting legit business and goods - whether in designated zones or in other capacities - is also contrary to the promise of economic benefits Vancouver hopes to reap in these recessionary times."

The bylaw does not affect newspaper boxes, but Vancouver 2010 Integrated Security Unit is ordering removal of newspaper and mail boxes and garbage cans near venues.

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Now that is going to far.
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That is a bit much, actually... though it is only PROPOSED. And one would like to assume a government who claims to be "progressive" would see the downside of it.

Though it's not surprising.

Why does it have to be from January 1st to March 31st?

We may have finally found the first legitimate thing to raise our eyebrows at!
     
     
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The first oen is for legitimate reasons, and far more then just stoping companies from advertising. It is very very likely that the city consulted with people and organisations who have a far more indepth knowledge of just what kinds of threats Vancouver faces from abroad. They wouldn't waste the money and effort to set up such security for a small time, rag-tag band of rent-a-protesters. They'd just arrest them and lock them up as soon as they do something illegal.

The second post on the other hand, is a bit more "wtf???" to me.
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I don't have an issue with it, they would still be allowed to have their papers in licensed newspaper boxes like they do know, it's only the handing out of the papers that would be prohibited, you can't discriminate so if you allow them then you'd also have to allow anyone from being able to pass out any newletters of which you might not approve.
     
     
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