More parking on the curb/sidewalk since Covid?

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

LOL. WHAT?

There are double parkers on nearly every block in NYC at all times. It's obnoxious. People double park in the middle of major thoroughfares like Nostrand Avenue, Franklin Avenue, Fulton Street, Classon Avenue, etc like I've not seen anywhere else in a first world country.

I didn't say there aren't don't double park, I said they don't block traffic, as in cut off routes. I don't really have a problem with double parking if there's a way for traffic to continue around the car. And like 80% of cars double parked with hazards flashing are Uber drivers picking up passengers or delivery drivers. You should see what Fulton Street looks like in the middle of the day. It's filled with double parked delivery trucks dropping off restock items at stores lol.

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

On top of that, the other things NYers refuse to do is circle the block. I've never seen so many U turns on major 2 way thoroughfares anywhere. A NYer can not be bothered to circle the block should their life depend on it. They need to go to that dry cleaner right there on Franklin Avenue? No problem. Just park right in front in the middle of rush hour the rest of you be damned.

Count me as one of those people that can't be bothered lol. Almost every intersection has a traffic light so circling the block requires going through four light cycles since right turn on red is banned in NYC. It's much quicker and simpler to do a u-turn if you're on a 2-way street.

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

Yours is the most generous description (i.e. "polite" lol) of double parking in NY that I've seen anywhere in the history of written word. For christ's sake people double park on ATLANTIC AVENUE during RUSH HOUR for a whole host of reasons all the way from Ozone Park to Cobble Hill.

People mostly double park on Atlantic west of Flatbush. Double parking east of Flatbush on Atlantic is much more rare because the street becomes so wide and traffic moves so fast. That's another reason I don't mind double parking -- it is a natural traffic calming device.

[homebucket]

Speaking of unusual parking, are there other cities that have a decent amount of 90 degree street parking as well (ie not in a parking lot)?

https://maps.app.goo.gl/u7bqDeiCizjAG6h49
https://maps.app.goo.gl/c2AR7yN8p26yv45Y9
https://maps.app.goo.gl/aC2ZmUoAFuTLWyzeA
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ik1N99Ldb15C17UQ8
https://maps.app.goo.gl/72vHwoS8Shg6ysN76
https://maps.app.goo.gl/cSoxCsHoT4bX7Qn7A
https://maps.app.goo.gl/k3Az11bgMy68JnYS6

[wwmiv]

Originally Posted by homebucket

Speaking of unusual parking, are there other cities that have a decent amount of 90 degree street parking as well (ie not in a parking lot)?

https://maps.app.goo.gl/u7bqDeiCizjAG6h49
https://maps.app.goo.gl/c2AR7yN8p26yv45Y9
https://maps.app.goo.gl/aC2ZmUoAFuTLWyzeA
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ik1N99Ldb15C17UQ8
https://maps.app.goo.gl/72vHwoS8Shg6ysN76
https://maps.app.goo.gl/cSoxCsHoT4bX7Qn7A
https://maps.app.goo.gl/k3Az11bgMy68JnYS6

This might be more prevalent in cities where streets with steep grades are commonplace (for safety reasons). Notice that in all the streetviews these are the steep streets while the (largely flat) cross streets have parallel?

I’ve seen some streets in these cities with similar parking styles:
• Portland
• Seattle
• Austin
• Nashville
• Pittsburgh

[sopas ej]

Originally Posted by homebucket

Negatory. There's typically plenty of parking in California. Most people park on the street, driveway, or inside their garage.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/5HnRneuM1hrAzP9r5

There are some places where people will park on the sidewalk, although it might still be part of their driveway, but this was the norm pre-pandemic as well.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/YgYcpzEicaiSHD7S6
https://maps.app.goo.gl/eFy5o5xzK61rzv4a6

In California, you can't park in front of/can't block a driveway, even if it's your own driveway.

Some time in the early 2010s, the city of Los Angeles relaxed its enforcement of parking on driveway aprons (which technically is illegal). Many people do this in Westwood adjacent to the UCLA campus, because of limited onsite parking at the apartments there: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0648...5409&entry=ttu

People do this in parts of the Silverlake neighborhood too.

In Los Angeles, you can park on a driveway apron so long as you aren't blocking the sidewalk or jutting into the street---although the example I provided above shows the cars jutting into the street.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by homebucket

Speaking of unusual parking, are there other cities that have a decent amount of 90 degree street parking as well (ie not in a parking lot)?

https://maps.app.goo.gl/u7bqDeiCizjAG6h49
https://maps.app.goo.gl/c2AR7yN8p26yv45Y9
https://maps.app.goo.gl/aC2ZmUoAFuTLWyzeA
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ik1N99Ldb15C17UQ8
https://maps.app.goo.gl/72vHwoS8Shg6ysN76
https://maps.app.goo.gl/cSoxCsHoT4bX7Qn7A
https://maps.app.goo.gl/k3Az11bgMy68JnYS6

In NYC it's mostly cops that park like this around police stations. In some cases parking near project housing will also be perpendicular instead of parallel, but that's about it.

[Doady]

Drivers being assholes and ruining public spaces not at all a new thing. See also: the amount of trash strewn on the ground surrounding every drive-thru.

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by homebucket

Speaking of unusual parking, are there other cities that have a decent amount of 90 degree street parking as well (ie not in a parking lot)?

https://maps.app.goo.gl/u7bqDeiCizjAG6h49
https://maps.app.goo.gl/c2AR7yN8p26yv45Y9
https://maps.app.goo.gl/aC2ZmUoAFuTLWyzeA
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ik1N99Ldb15C17UQ8
https://maps.app.goo.gl/72vHwoS8Shg6ysN76
https://maps.app.goo.gl/cSoxCsHoT4bX7Qn7A
https://maps.app.goo.gl/k3Az11bgMy68JnYS6

This has utility on hills since the car can't roll downhill if the parking brake fails and you don't put a ton of stress on an automatic transmission if you put it in park without using the parking brake.

[sopas ej]

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

This has utility on hills since the car can't roll downhill if the parking brake fails and you don't put a ton of stress on an automatic transmission if you put it in park without using the parking brake.

Speaking of which, as an aside, it still surprises me when I see people who don't know which way to turn their front wheels when parking facing uphill/downhill with/without a curb. Some people don't even turn their front wheels at all. You can get a ticket for not curbing your wheels properly when parked on a hill. Even where I live, on some streets with inclines, there are signs reminding people to curb their wheels when parking.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by sopas ej

Speaking of which, as an aside, it still surprises me when I see people who don't know which way to turn their front wheels when parking facing uphill/downhill with/without a curb. Some people don't even turn their front wheels at all. You can get a ticket for not curbing your wheels properly when parked on a hill. Even where I live, on some streets with inclines, there are signs reminding people to curb their wheels when parking.

Does this matter for automatic transmissions? I thought it was only needed for manuals?

[dchan]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

Haha that's a NY area phenomenon. NYers refuse to circle the block. NYers even refuse to park in an open spot that's right in front of them if they're only staying temporarily. They'd rather inconvenience everyone around them because they're the priority, especially when it involves driving.

In Philly, double parking is a much less common phenomenon than it is in NY. I think most people in Philly realize you can just circle the block easily as everything is one way or tuck into the dead space near the closest intersection or even in front of a fire hydrant. I am convinced when I do see double parking in Philly that it's a native NYer whose driving the car as there is so much movement between the two cities.

Unfortunately, I have to agree. NYC drivers tend to be d-bags when it comes to double parking even when there is a spot or fire hydrant spot open. Maybe they want to pre-empt being blocked in by another double-parker.

I also noticed that certain Middle Eastern or Islamic communities love to double park around here. Many of these are taxi and Uber drivers waiting for their food orders.

[Crawford]

Unless they're blocking a bus or bike lane, double parking is great. I fully support double parking and hope it grows. It's a net positive for walkers, bikers and transit riders, which are a majority of the city. It limits cartopia and likely saves lives via slowed traffic.

And the bus lane issue will likely be greatly ameliorated via the new bus cams, which will automatically ticket double parkers. The bike lane issue is fixable with barriers.

[dchan]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

In NYC it's mostly cops that park like this around police stations. In some cases parking near project housing will also be perpendicular instead of parallel, but that's about it.

Besides 90 degree back-in parking, there is also 60 degree back-in parking. Both require a certain amount of street width to be viable, especially if you have back-in parking on both sides of the street. Neither is common because most NYC streets are old and narrowish, but you'll see them around.

[sopas ej]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Does this matter for automatic transmissions? I thought it was only needed for manuals?

It's required for both; cops don't check to see what type of transmission you have, I guess. When I took drivers' training class in high school, we were told that if you drove a stick, to leave it in 1st gear when parked facing uphill, and leave it in reverse when parked facing downhill. I drove a stick for many years and never parked it in neutral.

This, from the California DMV drivers' handbook:


Here's a sign in front of one of our favorite Mexican restaurants that reminds you to curb your wheels; the restaurant even put signs in the window that says you maybe be ticketed if you don't curb your wheels: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2016...5409&entry=ttu

In my town, these signs even tell you which way to turn your wheels.

Downhill:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.1223...5409&entry=ttu

Uphill; the Honda driver got it correct, the Bimmer driver didn't:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.1207...5409&entry=ttu

[Steely Dan]

"curbing a vehicle"

A concept I have never given a single moment's thought to in 48 years of living in Chicago, LOL!

[edale]

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

This has utility on hills since the car can't roll downhill if the parking brake fails and you don't put a ton of stress on an automatic transmission if you put it in park without using the parking brake.

Can you think of any examples of this parking arrangement in Cincy? I was thinking maybe a street or 2 in Mt. Adams had parking like this, but streetview seems to be saying that's not the case.

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Does this matter for automatic transmissions? I thought it was only needed for manuals?

there may be something to that because i don’t see people parking with their wheels turned into the curb very often in the epically hillacious parts of nyc like around here in staten or up in inwood/bx. it always seems disturbing to me when they don’t (i’ve been getting some hiking in around these areas lately). hopefully they have the emergency brake on as a backup, but maybe as you say it doesn’t matter? i dk im out of the loop with cars lol.

[wwmiv]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

"curbing a vehicle"

A concept I have never given a single moment's thought to in 48 years of living in Chicago, LOL!

A coworker in Chicago ruined my transmission and parking brake because they had no idea what it did. Drove off for miles in my car to run an errand. I’m from Austin, and using the parking brake is ingrained habit, whereas she’d never given the mechanism a passing thought.

[JManc]

I have two vehicles, one is an automatic the other standard and I always use as the emergency brake on the standard. It was ingrained into me when I first leaned to drive 30 years ago.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by sopas ej

It's required for both; cops don't check to see what type of transmission you have, I guess. When I took drivers' training class in high school, we were told that if you drove a stick, to leave it in 1st gear when parked facing uphill, and leave it in reverse when parked facing downhill. I drove a stick for many years and never parked it in neutral.

I drove a stick in high school and college and always parked it in first gear. I rarely had reason to park on a hill so never thought about putting it in reverse while parked. When I drove a manual my father told me to always curb my tires whenever I was parallel parked, but I assumed the reason was in case someone bumped into the car while it was parked.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by wwmiv

A coworker in Chicago ruined my transmission and parking brake because they had no idea what it did. Drove off for miles in my car to run an errand. I’m from Austin, and using the parking brake is ingrained habit, whereas she’d never given the mechanism a passing thought.

I believe it.

"Now, ya see, Larry, a Chicagoan with a parking brake is a little bit like a mule with a banjo. No one knows how he got it, and gosh darnit if he knows what to do with it."