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Old Posted Jan 24, 2023, 4:30 AM
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The current PC government reminds me a lot of the speNDP of the past, throwing money at everything to boost polls. And there seems to be very little coordination with anything from an inter-governmental perspective.

It will be interesting to see if the NDP can sustain this momentum going into this election or whether we see another Murray-type collapse. You can bet the PCs are going to attack Kinew for his past indiscretions much in the same way Murray was attacked.
Well they better. Usually conservatives avoid fighting dirty; and presume they will win on merit and fundamental truth. This is to their own detriment. That’s one area that the left is better at than the right. The left by their nature is more hungry for power, and more willing to go negative. We shall see.
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Well they better. Usually conservatives avoid fighting dirty; and presume they will win on merit and fundamental truth. This is to their own detriment. That’s one area that the left is better at than the right. The left by their nature is more hungry for power, and more willing to go negative. We shall see.
Not sure how true that is considering Pallister ordered his senior political staff to hire a private investigator to dig dirt on Kinew.

And what “merits and fundamental truths” do the conservatives stand for that they actually went through with once they got into power?
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Well they better. Usually conservatives avoid fighting dirty; and presume they will win on merit and fundamental truth. This is to their own detriment. That’s one area that the left is better at than the right. The left by their nature is more hungry for power, and more willing to go negative. We shall see.
I think there is plenty of evidence of both the PCs and NDP "fighting dirty"... I have never seen anything to suggest that the PCs are driven by magnanimity and are in no way driven by hunger for power. It's the nature of electoral politics.
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Well they better. Usually conservatives avoid fighting dirty; and presume they will win on merit and fundamental truth. This is to their own detriment. That’s one area that the left is better at than the right. The left by their nature is more hungry for power, and more willing to go negative. We shall see.
I can't even...

This is sarcasm (I hope)?
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Well they better. Usually conservatives avoid fighting dirty; and presume they will win on merit and fundamental truth. This is to their own detriment. That’s one area that the left is better at than the right. The left by their nature is more hungry for power, and more willing to go negative. We shall see.
All the left does is hammer home the same left wing talking points, and whether they make sense or not or are realistic people start to believe it!
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Wab Kinew rejects Tory claim he wants to defund police in Manitoba


Kinew, in a year-end interview with The Canadian Press, said he would maintain funding for police services

He says a NDP government would also add funding for mental health supports so that some calls currently being handled by police can be handled by others.

"I do think that we need to invest in mental health supports, we need to invest in social programs so that we can have a future in Manitoba where we have a mental health worker who shows up for a mental health call, a social worker who shows up for a social work call," Kinew said.
Full article:https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...-ndp-1.6698261

If elected, we need to hold him to that he won't cut police funding. His plans for mental health supports sound good. My question would be though, when recieving a 911 call, how can we tell what service is needed? In some cases it would be obvious. But how can they tell what is simply a mentral health care call or a social work call, and who gets to make that call and will they face some accountability if a social worker ends up taking a knife to the neck? Sounds good in theory, not sure how that would work in practice though.
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lol most, if not all, politicians of all stripes are willing to fight dirty. It's the nature of the business.
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And here I was being accused of derailing things. The open debate didn't even last two pages. Jfc

They literally jumped straight to divisiveness, slamming the "other side" in a way that's so vague it's meaningless and posting their feelings and opinions as if they were facts lol.

I admit I haven't always been the most civil person here but I have at least tried to make actual points about actual issues other than "OTHER SIDE BAD GRRR"
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He was at the puck drop, why are you saying he wasn't present? Don't make up shit if you don't know.

I stand corrected. All you had to say was he was there. You didn't have to be a dick about it. The rest of my statement stands. He's not well liked in the towns of the RM, and the issues affecting the ER at Ste Anne hospital are losing support for the PC's in that part of the riding.
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Full article:https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...-ndp-1.6698261

If elected, we need to hold him to that he won't cut police funding. His plans for mental health supports sound good. My question would be though, when recieving a 911 call, how can we tell what service is needed? In some cases it would be obvious. But how can they tell what is simply a mentral health care call or a social work call, and who gets to make that call and will they face some accountability if a social worker ends up taking a knife to the neck? Sounds good in theory, not sure how that would work in practice though.
The Provinces don't fund policing, it's municipal. The only reason the current government is leaping into the fray is because they have limited the ability of municipalities to tax their own land/residents.
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Well they better. Usually conservatives avoid fighting dirty; and presume they will win on merit and fundamental truth. This is to their own detriment. That’s one area that the left is better at than the right. The left by their nature is more hungry for power, and more willing to go negative. We shall see.
Wow this is a the statement of a delusional person. Are you an old stock Canadian?
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All the left does is hammer home the same left wing talking points, and whether they make sense or not or are realistic people start to believe it!
Yes like lower taxes, pro business and freedom? You're an idiot and your posting history is damning evidence of your idiocy
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2023, 2:12 AM
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They literally jumped straight to divisiveness, slamming the "other side" in a way that's so vague it's meaningless and posting their feelings and opinions as if they were facts lol.

I admit I haven't always been the most civil person here but I have at least tried to make actual points about actual issues other than "OTHER SIDE BAD GRRR"

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Yes like lower taxes, pro business and freedom? You're an idiot and your posting history is damning evidence of your idiocy

Why do you lefites always have to insult people and throw ethnicity into this? Seriously get lost guys. You already derailed one thread. SMH
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Why do you lefites always have to insult people and throw ethnicity into this? Seriously get lost guys. You already derailed one thread. SMH
As someone who is left leaning I’ve been guilty of this towards you in the past so I do apologize and have started to have discussions without using insults and focus on rationale and the topic. There’s no need to bring up someone’s character because everyone has different morals at the end of the day and that should be accepted as long as they are not imposed on other people.

But there is a reason why this is occurring at a more frequent rate these days. Cancel culture is reason #1 and as a teenager who grew up with social media this behaviour is much more entrenched and dare I say acceptable from the youth. Kids can be shitty but social media has amplified the toxicity to new levels. This imposing of left/far left culture by the media in the United States has made the toxicity political as well.

I’m trying to avoid social media as much as possible now. I stick to pages like this because I can have honest discussions with quite intelligent individuals and get their perspective which can be a legitimate learning experience.
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As someone who is left leaning I’ve been guilty of this towards you in the past so I do apologize and have started to have discussions without using insults and focus on rationale and the topic. There’s no need to bring up someone’s character because everyone has different morals at the end of the day and that should be accepted as long as they are not imposed on other people.
No need to apologize my friend. I don't recall you ever saying antying rude towards me. In any case it' all good. I'm sorry if I ever said anything rude. I admit i can sometimes get carried away.

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But there is a reason why this is occurring at a more frequent rate these days. Cancel culture is reason #1 and as a teenager who grew up with social media this behaviour is much more entrenched and dare I say acceptable from the youth. Kids can be shitty but social media has amplified the toxicity to new levels. This imposing of left/far left culture by the media in the United States has made the toxicity political as well.

I’m trying to avoid social media as much as possible now. I stick to pages like this because I can have honest discussions with quite intelligent individuals and get their perspective which can be a legitimate learning experience.
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Yeah social media can be pretty toxic. I don't blame you for trying to avoid it. I don't use it anymore either. I don't have FB anymore but I remember things could get really bad on there.

We are living in interesting times.
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I agree that these will be the ridings to watch and will decide on the government. Here’s my opinion:

Winnipeg:

Seine River (PC) - The area lost a lot of its traditional NDP base around the mall and picked up more southern areas near the perimeter.

Southdale (NDP) - Close last time, Gordon has a high profile and the NDP will spend a lot of resources to oust her. The riding has taken on more of the blue collar areas of Windsor Park and lost its traditional PC base in Royalwood.

McPhillips (NDP) - Nail bitter last election. This time with the NDP polling much higher, this will be the most likely urban riding to flip.

Radisson (NDP) - Has been a historically traditional NDP riding. It went PC when they swept the NDP from power. Managed to stay Tory in 2019. This time with an unpopular incumbent and NDP polling higher, it shouldn’t even be close.

Rossmere (Toss-up) - This one is tough. Could go either way.

Assiniboia (Toss-up) - See above.

Kirkfield Park (PC) - Klein is a retail politician and a constituency guy. He has a good ground game. I say PC hold.

Fort Richmond (PC) - Last time the Liberals split the centre-left vote). If the Libs field another strong candidate, I could see the Tories holding it by default.

Riel (NDP) - Despite Squires being a high ranking minister, this riding is the most likely of the south Winnipeg ones to flip.

Waverly (PC) - Traditional Tory leaning area. Suburban and higher income.

Lagimodiere (PC) - See above.

Kildonan-River East (PC) - This riding has seen a large population boom of new, expensive neighborhoods near the Perimeter. Bonnie Mitchelson managed to hold it even when the Tories lost every seat north of the Assiniboine River. Candidacy will matter this time.

Rural Ridings:

Selkirk (NDP) - Strong candidate, traditional urban NDP riding with no PC incumbent.

Dauphin (PC) - Rural MB has shifted more to the right in recent years. The PC’s are still polling well outside of WPG.

Brandon East (NDP) - City splits, with the eastern part going back to its NDP roots.

Brandon West (PC) - It’ll be close but I think the Tories eek out a win here.

Springfield (PC) - Especially if Schuler runs again. Traditional PC rural riding with ex-urbanites in Oakbank who tend to sway centre right.

Curious to see what everyone else thinks. This election will certainly be interesting. I have a feeling that it’ll be close. I would be happy with a minority government of either party with the Liberals holding the balance of power.
*Andrew Smith in Lagimodiere should win his seat in a walk. Great grass roots MLA and hard worker.
* A. Gordon in Southdale will be tough to hold.
* Jon Reyes in Waverley is not unpopular, and probably the most well liked MLA in government. Raises a lot of money for the party through grass roots fundraisers.
Stephenson will hold her seat.
Obby Khan and Klein should retain their seats.
Ron Schuler should win. Has been around for ever.
Add in a few others and the PC’s may surprise.

The NDP has no bench at all and no stars in the group. Will people vote for a Wab? It remains to be seen.
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*Andrew Smith in Lagimodiere should win his seat in a walk. Great grass roots MLA and hard worker.
* A. Gordon in Southdale will be tough to hold.
* Jon Reyes in Waverley is not unpopular, and probably the most well liked MLA in government. Raises a lot of money for the party through grass roots fundraisers.
Stephenson will hold her seat.
Obby Khan and Klein should retain their seats.
Ron Schuler should win. Has been around for ever.
Add in a few others and the PC’s may surprise.

The NDP has no bench at all and no stars in the group. Will people vote for a Wab? It remains to be seen.
This is also a problem for the NDP. No high profile candidates have stepped forward to run in the swing suburban ridings. With Doer/Selinger we had the likes of Erin Selby, Theresa Oswald and Ron Lemieux. They swung traditional PC ridings to the NDP as centrist candidates. I don’t know if we will see that this time around.
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another great move by our current Provincial gov't (again shocking many of you NDP'ers that PC do fund social support systems too. they have hearts, not just big bank accounts).

New rapid access to addictions medicine clinic to open in downtown Winnipeg with $893K funding from province The government of Manitoba is spending about $893,000 on a new Indigenous-led rapid access to addictions medicine (RAAM) clinic in downtown Winnipeg, making it the third in the provincial capital.

The clinic will be in the Aboriginal Health and Wellness Centre on Higgins Avenue and will operate five days a week, with some extended hours in the late afternoons and early evenings to increase accessibility

When the clinic opens in spring, it will initially handle to 2,300 patient visits per year, with the potential to expand its capacity in the future


and of course the opposition just can't praise and be pleased, despite community leaders and Drs praising this

Bernadette Smith, the NDP critic for mental health and addictions, says the current government's strategy for dealing with substance use disorders lacks an important piece.

"The health experts are clear: we need a real plan that includes a supervised consumption site and better access to health care and supports for Manitobans struggling with addiction," Smith said in a statement.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...ipeg-1.6724162
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This is also a problem for the NDP. No high profile candidates have stepped forward to run in the swing suburban ridings. With Doer/Selinger we had the likes of Erin Selby, Theresa Oswald and Ron Lemieux. They swung traditional PC ridings to the NDP as centrist candidates. I don’t know if we will see that this time around.
In previous elections, was it clear ~10 months before the election which 'high profile' candidates were running? I would have thought it's too early to tell if they have been successful.

I would imagine that they should have an easier time than usual fielding candidates -- there's a good chance that the NDP could take power, so someone who can deliver a tough swing riding, especially a rural one, would have a good shot at a cabinet position...
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another great move by our current Provincial gov't (again shocking many of you NDP'ers that PC do fund social support systems too. they have hearts, not just big bank accounts).

New rapid access to addictions medicine clinic to open in downtown Winnipeg with $893K funding from province The government of Manitoba is spending about $893,000 on a new Indigenous-led rapid access to addictions medicine (RAAM) clinic in downtown Winnipeg, making it the third in the provincial capital.

The clinic will be in the Aboriginal Health and Wellness Centre on Higgins Avenue and will operate five days a week, with some extended hours in the late afternoons and early evenings to increase accessibility

When the clinic opens in spring, it will initially handle to 2,300 patient visits per year, with the potential to expand its capacity in the future


and of course the opposition just can't praise and be pleased, despite community leaders and Drs praising this

Bernadette Smith, the NDP critic for mental health and addictions, says the current government's strategy for dealing with substance use disorders lacks an important piece.

"The health experts are clear: we need a real plan that includes a supervised consumption site and better access to health care and supports for Manitobans struggling with addiction," Smith said in a statement.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...ipeg-1.6724162
Yes it's good to see the PC's funding this addictions clinic. For me, the question still remains; does this show the PC' hearts have grown three times this day, and love and care for the most vulnerable in the province, or is this a one-of headline grabber prior to a provincial election?

I struggle with not wanting to be cynical, and not wanting to be fooled into voting for a party that historically has put social issues on the back burner.

As for Stephanson herself, like every human being she has made some good decisions and bad decisions. Like Wab Kinew, she has made some bad decisions in her past.

From Wikipedia: "In 1999, Stefanson was suspended for seven months by the Manitoba district council of the Investment Dealers Association of Canada for failing to meet educational requirements. Stefanson was found to have made 34 inappropriate trades while she was working as an investment adviser at Wellington West Capital"

I firmly believe people can make changes in their lives, and I would be a hypocrite if held her earlier misconducts against her while excusing Kinew's. However, some of her recent political decisions are a concern for me.

Also from Wikipedia:

"During Manitoba's third-wave of Covid-19 Stefanson claimed on May 18, 2021 that Manitoba's health system could handle an additional 50 patients in the ICU for a total of 170. However, later that day, she announced ICU beds were at capacity and two patients had been sent to Thunder Bay for treatment. Shared Health had been aware that the healthcare system was unable to handle 170 patients, and on May 7, chief nursing officer Lanette Siragusa called a previous exercise showing capacity at 173 ICU beds a “paper exercise” that "did not reflect the reality of Manitoba’s capacity".

On March 15, Stefanson received widespread criticism for responding to Wab Kinew's question about Krystal Mousseau, an ICU patient who died during a failed transfer to a hospital out of Manitoba with a boast about her son's performance at a hockey game. Two days later Stefanson issued a brief written apology. The NDP has been calling for an inquiry into circumstances of the death citing a letter from the regional health authority released a letter explaining that the transfer team was lacking critical monitoring equipment and training. Additionally, the patient was being given medication at the wrong rate. On March 22, Stefanson admitted during a radio interview that she had not reached out to Mousseau's family to offer an apology or condolences.

Stefanson was criticized for making excuses for the out-of-province transfers saying "Manitoba was no exception, this is what’s happening across the country.",however Saskatchewan and Manitoba were the only provinces that transferred ICU patients out of the province. On April 6, Dan Roberts, a critical care physician and professor of medicine at the University of Manitoba, called on the government to open an inquiry into Krystal Mousseau's death He also criticized the Manitoba Progressive Conservative Party for "privatizing and dismantling" much of Manitoba's Air Ambulance Service in 2017 a change that was criticized by physicians who warned this move would compromise patient safety

Of course, she's done a few things I agree with. She seems to have stepped away from the confrontational method of dealing with the City of Winnipeg, and seems to have adopted a more conciliatory tone with the federal government than other conservative premiers. Many of her recent funding announcements have been welcome. The question for me remains, does it mark a change in direction for the PC's, or just a pre-election gimmick?

I think for many people healthcare is THE issue for the province, as it is for pretty much the entire country. My gut feeling is that she is hoping the Feds and provinces can come to an agreement over increased healthcare funding this spring, so by the fall she can say "all fixed", or "it's getting fixed".

Would that be enough for me to consider voting PC again? At this point, probably not. I haven't yet seen a "big direction" statement from her government on how she plans to deal with healthcare, grow the economy or deal with Indigenous reconciliation (if it's been posted I hope someone can give me the link). Her past statements seems to show a disturbing trend towards spinning serious issues as "not that serious"; fiddling while Rome burns, if you will.

If she DOES get re-elected, will I consider that a disaster? Not necessarily, if she continues to be willing to fund positive initiatives in the province and want to put more "progressive" into the "Progressive Conservatives". However, as I have said before, at this point in time I would prefer to see Wab Kinew elected for what I hope will be a very proactive and positive approach to Reconciliation issues, crime prevention and healthcare. Of course I can't see the future and could be wrong about him, but right now that's my opinion, for what it's worth.

And about the NDP reaction to the spending announcement, as opposition they are supposed to point out what they think is wrong, but yeah, it would be nice to see appreciation for any positives a government does, if only to avoid giving the extreme wing of the PC's an excuse to say "social spending doesn't help our party at all, let's ignore it".

My goodness I'm opinionated!
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