Statistics Canada Reports II

[phone]

It is indeed rather strange that Calgary's CMA is so small geographically. I didn't realize that the Saskatoon CMA had a larger footprint than Calgary's at 5,864 km2. There should be no justification for that.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Ottawa's city limits are absurd. Driving northbound on the 416, you see this sign "Ottawa: Canada's capital. Population 1,000,000". Twenty minutes of more driving, and it is still trees and fields. If it were a bit larger, it could take in Okotoks.

Even with that, Ottawa's CMA border actually extends beyond it's city limits on all sides, incorporating Rockland, Embrun, Kemptville, Carleton Place, Almonte, and Arnprior.

[harls]

Carleton Place and Arnprior aren't in the Ottawa CMA. Actually all of those places are just outside the CMA.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by harls

Carleton Place and Arnprior aren't in the Ottawa CMA. Actually all of those places are just outside the CMA.

Carleton Place, Arnprior, and Almonte were added to the CMA in 2021. Kemptville was added in 2016. Rockland, Embrun, and Russell have been in the CMA since at least the 1990s IIRC.

The addition of Carleton Place, Almonte, and Arnprior is actually why Ottawa-Gatineau retook 4th place from Calgary in 2021. Using the 2016 borders, Calgary would still be bigger.

The fact that it took until 2021 for these places to be added to the Ottawa-Gatineau CMA despite the fact they've been bedroom communities of Ottawa for decades is because of a methodology quirk. At least half the workforce of a municipality has to work in the CMA's central urban area to be included. And because of Ottawa's Greenbelt, Kanata is not counted as part of the central urban area, so all the people from Carleton Place, Almonte, and Arnprior that commute to the Kanata North high tech park are not factored in.

[MonctonRad]

Population clock is now working.

The estimates have been significantly changed.

Yukon now has a larger population than the Northwest Territories! 45,216 vs 45,214.

Not often you see one geographic territory surpass another one...........

Both NB and PEI somehow misplaced about 5,000 people each. NS is not significantly changed.

[MolsonExport]

Yukon is ahead of NWT by 3 people now. Okotokian-style growth!

[harls]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Carleton Place, Arnprior, and Almonte were added to the CMA in 2021. Kemptville was added in 2016. Rockland, Embrun, and Russell have been in the CMA since at least the 1990s IIRC.

The addition of Carleton Place, Almonte, and Arnprior is actually why Ottawa-Gatineau retook 4th place from Calgary in 2021. Using the 2016 borders, Calgary would still be bigger.

The fact that it took until 2021 for these places to be added to the Ottawa-Gatineau CMA despite the fact they've been bedroom communities of Ottawa for decades is because of a methodology quirk. At least half the workforce of a municipality has to work in the CMA's central urban area to be included. And because of Ottawa's Greenbelt, Kanata is not counted as part of the central urban area, so all the people from Carleton Place, Almonte, and Arnprior that commute to the Kanata North high tech park are not factored in.

My apologies, I didn't know.

The CMA is crazy massive. It is even creeping close to Cornwall..

[MonctonRad]

It's conceivable StatsCan didn't know the population clock wasn't working. I sent them an email at the end of the workday yesterday to apprise them of the situation, and they actually emailed me back today, thanking me for bringing it to their attention, and stating that the clock was now working normally.

[mapleleaf66]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

It's conceivable StatsCan didn't know the population clock wasn't working. I sent them an email at the end of the workday yesterday to apprise them of the situation, and they actually emailed me back today, thanking me for bringing it to their attention, and stating that the clock was now working normally.

The guy responsible probably works from home....anyway it looks like Alberta is farther behind BC than before, AB looked to be making significant gains.

[Acajack]

Mostly unrelated but I once knew the guy who took care of Canada's atomic clock that is the official source of time, at the National Research Council of Canada. He took his job very seriously and I doubt he would ever have let it lapse in any way.

[thurmas]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Mostly unrelated but I once knew the guy who took care of Canada's atomic clock that is the official source of time, at the National Research Council of Canada. He took his job very seriously and I doubt he would ever have let it lapse in any way.

Atomic clock? Isn't that just a clock at taco bell?

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by thurmas

Atomic clock? Isn't that just a clock at taco bell?

yep, guaranteed diarrhea 1 hour after consuming Taco Hell's mystery meat.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by phone

It is indeed rather strange that Calgary's CMA is so small geographically. I didn't realize that the Saskatoon CMA had a larger footprint than Calgary's at 5,864 km2. There should be no justification for that.

Calgary has a unicity model meant to try and discourage exurban growth. Nothing can stop Okotoks though!!!

Surprised Cochrane is now part of the CMA as it is quite far from the city limits. About equal distance as Okotoks actually.

[Bobert]

Originally Posted by mapleleaf66

The guy responsible probably works from home....anyway it looks like Alberta is farther behind BC than before, AB looked to be making significant gains.

The boom and bust cycles will make it so Alberta will never really pass BC in our lifetimes. Every few years we get the projections and they always seem to get walked back.

[goodgrowth]

Originally Posted by Bobert

The boom and bust cycles will make it so Alberta will never really pass BC in our lifetimes. Every few years we get the projections and they always seem to get walked back.

BC is going to end up as Alberta's port colony.

Land costs are going to make it so.

[Architype]

Originally Posted by Bobert

The boom and bust cycles will make it so Alberta will never really pass BC in our lifetimes. Every few years we get the projections and they always seem to get walked back.

The difference is not negligible.

Here is my screen shot from April 2023.




The difference between BC and Alberta then was 737,634, now it has increased to 824,733.

[Repthe250]

By statcan estimates, BC grew by 135,000 in 6 months. At that rate, BC should* reach 6 million by Q3 2025.

*obviously these are inflated estimates and census counts always come out well below but still exciting times considering how fucking expensive it is here!

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Architype

The difference is not negligible.

Here is my screen shot from April 2023.




The difference between BC and Alberta then was 737,634, now it has increased to 824,733.

It is now almost precisely six months from your screen shot. Here are the current estimates from today:

CANADA - 40,438,308 (+619,325)

NL - 540,557 (+7,263)
PE - 175,978 (-261)
NS - 1,068,960 (+24,593)
NB - 843,284 (+12,935)
QC - 8,934,412 (+119,937)
ON - 15,745,247 (+239,690)
MB - 1,466,797 (+30,599)
SK - 1,219,112 (-698)
AB - 4,743,961 (+48,570)
BC - 5,568,688 (+135,663)
YK - 45,217 (+874)
NT - 45,215 (+118)
NU - 40,880 (+42)

Of course, these are revised estimates, and, should be taken with a grain of salt, but, annualized, Canada is on track to grow by roughly 1,240,000 people this year!!!

NS may pass SK in population sometime by the end of the decade. I am making no firm predictions just because we are dealing with revised estimates.

[Architype]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

It is now almost precisely six months from your screen shot. Here are the current estimates from today:

...

Of course, these are revised estimates, and, should be taken with a grain of salt, but, annualized, Canada is on track to grow by roughly 1,240,000 people this year!!!

NS may pass SK in population sometime by the end of the decade. I am making no firm predictions just because we are dealing with revised estimates.

I use copious amounts of salt with my facts, sometimes numbers DO lie.

[csbvan]

Originally Posted by Architype

The difference is not negligible.

Here is my screen shot from April 2023.




The difference between BC and Alberta then was 737,634, now it has increased to 824,733.

Well, that's a narrative buster.