Great Canadian Hospital Thread

[MonctonRad]

There are two hospitals in Moncton, one English (The Moncton Hospital) and the other French (L'hopitale Dr Georges-L Dumont). They are both roughly the same size (about 400 beds each).

These are a few pictures of my hospital (The Moncton Hospital) taken earlier this fall.







The Moncton Hospital is a general hospital, but with tertiary services in neurosurgery & neurosciences, trauma care, burn unit, medical oncology, ob/gyn, maternal fetal medicine, neonatal intensive care, child & adolescent psychiatry, gastroenterology & hepatobiliary surgery, thoracic surgery, vascular surgery and interventional radiology.

[OutOfTowner]

The convent attached to Hotel Dieu hospital has been purchased by the city and will be turned into housing. The attached gardens will be opened to the public for the first time in almost 160 years. Always a big mystery, what was behind those walls!

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[J.OT13]

From a 2018 presentation, concept plans for the new Ottawa Civic Hospital, the city's main trauma centre and only primary health care facility within the urban core. The new hospital will have 800 to 900 beds (compared to 549 in the near century old current campus), all of them in private rooms.

Near the intersection of Carling and Preston, the new facility will be surrounded by the Central Experimental Farm to the west, Little Italy to the north, the Dominion Arboretum to the south, and Dow's Lake to the east. North of the upper-right section of the hospital is Carling station where major TOD has been built and will continue to be built. That section will be the location of educational facilities and out-patient care, while in-patient care will be provided in the south-west wing, facing the farm and arboretum.

Yellow shading on the buildings indicate entrance lobbies vertical circulation. Parking will be underground (dark green). The concept preserves much of the natural features of the site.

We haven't heard much in the last two years, but Doug Ford remains committed to the project (as far as we know).




https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...sign-1.4513153

[wave46]

Sudbury had 3 hospitals prior to the amalgamation of them into one (kinda two, but who is counting) sites.

The General (aka St. Joseph's)
Memorial Hospital
Laurentian Hospital

When the General was disposed of by the Sisters of St. Joseph, it was purchased by a property developer who has let it sit abandoned for nearly a decade now.

So, the idea was to convert this:



Into this:



Here's the story behind that.

Like most new super-hospitals kludged on top of an existing one (Laurentian Hospital), the 'new' Health Sciences North has a confusing layout.

[WhipperSnapper]

Interesting horseshoe design. Unfortunately, Infrastructure Ontario will make sure it is a mundane colour palette and heavy on cheap spandrel. Some sort of accent art piece or accent colours will be included to convince us it isn't a piece of architectural shit.

[Architype]

This is a proposed new facility, from the St. John's thread:

Originally Posted by Townie709

Renders for the new mental health facility have been released. I think it looks really good.

https://youtu.be/-06uDlQKaoE

[casper]

St Pauls Hospital in Vancouver has a long history dating back to the Sisters of Providence arriving in Vancouver. Providence Health has long cuts its ties to the church and the sisters but still operates as a not-for-provide that operates a number of medical facilities in BC. They have three hospitals, St. Paul's, St Joseph, and Holly Family Hospital.

St. Paul's is the most interesting in that is on the downtown peninsula and serves the core or Vancouver and has outgrown its building. The solution is a completely new hospital campus located downtown but this time next to the Pacific Central Station.

Here is the video of what is planned:

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The website for the project: http://thenewstpauls.ca/

[Airboy]

with all the push to get the economy going, the one big project that should have started but was pretty much put on the back burner by the UCP is Edmonton's much needed south west hospital. this will be about 1B. Was announced by the previous conservatives and NDP but its quite with the UCP.

And the expansion and modernization of the Misericordia Hospital is on hold due to the Pandemic out break in that hospital.

[J.OT13]

That St John's Hospital is nice. What's the brown building at the back.

For Vancouver, I'm very happy to see the big parking lot next to Pacific Central redeveloped and include addiction and mental health programs (and possibly an indigenous wellness centre) right near East Hastings. Any plans for the old hospital? It's a spectacular building.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by wave46

Sudbury had 3 hospitals prior to the amalgamation of them into one (kinda two, but who is counting) sites.

The General (aka St. Joseph's)
Memorial Hospital
Laurentian Hospital

Mike Harris?

[Architype]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

That St John's Hospital is nice. What's the brown building at the back.

....

I don't know specifically, maybe SHH knows. The brown buildings are parts of the existing hospital complex. The new buildings are being built next to the existing hospital.

[wave46]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Mike Harris?

His government was the brains behind this, yes.

That being said, the older sites were pretty kludged into a hodgepodge of services.

Having one site made things easier from a logistics point of view; the flaw being that if you undersize the one-site, it runs into chronic capacity issues.

[zahav]

There's no concrete plan yet for the old St. Paul's, but getting sold off for redevelopment into condos (that is what is paying for a good chunk of the new hospital). The new hospital will be amazing, and they already owned the land so the only cost is the new construction, which is being paid by selling the old land. Some people in the Westend obviously want it to stay partially for use as a hospital, but that isn't feasible really. The oldest part of the hospital is lovely outside, but it's a crumbling mess inside and totally inappropriate as a modern hospital at this point. I have no clue if the condo redevelopment will do anything to keep the old building or not, but as a hospital it makes no sense now.

There's lots of research into the new hospital, based on origin of ER visits, distance from population centres, origin of surgery patients, etc. And the new location ticks the boxes even more, the only people who are against it are the ones who live right in the West End. Well sorry, but tough luck lol, the new hospital is a greater benefit for more people.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by zahav

There's no concrete plan yet for the old St. Paul's, but getting sold off for redevelopment into condos (that is what is paying for a good chunk of the new hospital). The new hospital will be amazing, and they already owned the land so the only cost is the new construction, which is being paid by selling the old land. Some people in the Westend obviously want it to stay partially for use as a hospital, but that isn't feasible really. The oldest part of the hospital is lovely outside, but it's a crumbling mess inside and totally inappropriate as a modern hospital at this point. I have no clue if the condo redevelopment will do anything to keep the old building or not, but as a hospital it makes no sense now.

There's lots of research into the new hospital, based on origin of ER visits, distance from population centres, origin of surgery patients, etc. And the new location ticks the boxes even more, the only people who are against it are the ones who live right in the West End. Well sorry, but tough luck lol, the new hospital is a greater benefit for more people.

For the new Civic, there was seemingly no research whatsoever on demographics or patient origin to find the best location. Planning started in 2008. At the time, the preferred location was the very suburban/rural Woodroffe at Hunt Club.

In 2014, Harper's Conservatives handed over 60 acres of the Experimental Farm across from the current Civic for the new campus, which was quite controversial as it could effect the research on the Farm. When Trudeau came into power, that plan was scrapped and the Feds called on the NCC to come up with a new site. The NCC narrowed it down to 12 sites scattered across the urban and suburban west end before landing on Tunney's Pasture in late 2016, which the hospital didn't like because of, according too them, limited road access. Weeks later, the hospital, Federal and Provincial Liberals, the NCC and the Mayor decided on the former Sir John Carling at Dow's Lake, which is a good compromise location wise, but quite a challenging site due to soil conditions, a fault line and change in elevations.

No plans yet for the old hospital, but if it is sold to private developers, I hope the City and Province will slap heritage designations on the historic parts of structure before putting it up on the market.

[SaskScraper]

I believe I may have posted this a few months ago, maybe in one of the Sask/Man regional threads, but here it is for this hospital thread.


Saskatchewan commits $300M to expand Victoria Hospital in Prince Albert

Increasing capacity from the current 173 beds to 242.
A new acute care tower, a larger emergency department, a helipad and enhanced medical imaging services & MRI department and a new adult mental health space. The Neonatal had already been planned to be expanded to a level two nursery, so that babies won't have to travel to southern half of the province for specialized care.

https://thestarphoenix.com/news/loca...-prince-albert

This will be the second largest expenditure for a hospital build in Saskatchewan that's not in either Regina or Saskatoon.

[J.OT13]

Speaking of St-Paul's in Vancouver:

Downtown Vancouver's St. Paul's Hospital site sells for close to $1B

Dana Hatherly · CBC News · Posted: Aug 12, 2020 2:12 PM PT | Last Updated: 39 minutes ago

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...lion-1.5683875

[esquire]

^ Seems like a steal considering that the White Spot on West Georgia went for a quarter-billion a couple of years ago...

[Marty_Mcfly]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

That St John's Hospital is nice. What's the brown building at the back.

Just more of the Health Sciences Centre Hospital complex. I believe specifically the part way in the back of the rendering is the Dr. H. Bliss Murphy Cancer Care Centre.

This rendering of the existing Health Science complex in the new mental health care building is.....more flattering than it should be. HSC is missing about 3-4 floors everywhere and looks a lot more well put together than it actually is. The actual hospital is a disastrous complex with random additions thrown on everywhere like it were made out of legos. Trying to navigate that building is a frustrating exercise.

[wave46]

Originally Posted by Marty_Mcfly

Just more of the Health Sciences Centre Hospital complex. I believe specifically the part way in the back of the rendering is the Dr. H. Bliss Murphy Cancer Care Centre.

This rendering of the existing Health Science complex in the new mental health care building is.....more flattering than it should be. HSC is missing about 3-4 floors everywhere and looks a lot more well put together than it actually is. The actual hospital is a disastrous complex with random additions thrown on everywhere like it were made out of legos. Trying to navigate that building is a frustrating exercise.

Kludged together hospitals are always a nightmare to navigate. I'm not sure how old HSC is in St. John's, but there definitely was an era where there wasn't much foresight into 'we will need expansion'. Thus, random additions.

I've noticed it in newer hospitals that were designed from the ground-up versus one that are additions on previous buildings.

[Marty_Mcfly]

Originally Posted by wave46

Kludged together hospitals are always a nightmare to navigate. I'm not sure how old HSC is in St. John's, but there definitely was an era where there wasn't much foresight into 'we will need expansion'. Thus, random additions.

I've noticed it in newer hospitals that were designed from the ground-up versus one that are additions on previous buildings.

Construction started in 1972, and it feels like a piece has been added to the building every 5 years or so since then. Everything is so disjointed. When I was a graduate student I had to swing by the HSC to drop off samples to one of the research labs. My instructions to get there were very vague....."enter through this door, walk down the hallway, take the 5th elevator you see, ride it to the 3rd floor, walk down the hall, get on another elevator, ride it to the 5th floor". I missed one of the initial elevators and ended up in Gynecology. There was no way to the research lab from there since while it was on the same floor there was no access....it was completely walled off from the rest of the hospital. What should have been a quick 10 minute trip to deliver samples took almost an hour.