[Saint John] Fundy Quay (South Market Wharf) | 19-6s | 70m-26m | U/C

[Hali87]

Looks great! Very reminiscent of Bishop's Landing and much of the Victoria waterfront. In the rendering, what already exists, and what is proposed?

[CdnEh]

Originally Posted by Hali87

Looks great! Very reminiscent of Bishop's Landing and much of the Victoria waterfront. In the rendering, what already exists, and what is proposed?

The only thing that exists in the rendering is the long rectangular building, top right.

Highlighted for your viewing pleasure:





edit: actually, looking at it again, I can see the other building is still existing too. You can kind of see the chimney poking out from behind.

[JHikka]

I'll see if I can get some good shots of the site in the coming days.

[Southpaw78]

Great idea for this to have it's own thread!

So from the sounds of things then, this environmental assessment seems to be more of a cautious measure given that the proposal has part of the lands designated for residential use?

Good...no need to panic :o)

[DizzyEdge]

Another visual to perhaps better explain the rendering:


Project Area (Bright Blue indicates extant buildings)

[DizzyEdge]

The tiny lighthouse was moved wasn't it?

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by DizzyEdge

The tiny lighthouse was moved wasn't it?

Yes, it belonged to Digby.

[Fischbob]

Wasn't the Digby lighthouse the one closer to Water Street? I'm pretty sure the one at the tip of Coast Guard, and the one across Market Slip from it (lol, so many lighthouses) are still there.

[Helladog]

Just for reference, here is the original design the Hardman Group came up with many years ago...

[dhottawa729]

Why does this have it's own thread? Finally there is something development-related to talk about on the main page and it is now segregated. Annoying to have to follow 2 threads.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by dhottawa729

Why does this have it's own thread? Finally there is something development-related to talk about on the main page and it is now segregated. Annoying to have to follow 2 threads.

That's the standard for every other board on the forum. Singular developments (of merit) have their own threads and general development talk can be kept to their respective threads, amongst smaller developments.

[DizzyEdge]

I understand the annoyance, but with this project covering an area that's probably around 10% of the existing uptown, it's far more than just a development project.

[thefishingnut]

Originally Posted by JHikka

That's the standard for every other board on the forum. Singular developments (of merit) have their own threads and general development talk can be kept to their respective threads, amongst smaller developments.

Ok, so why wasn't the thread created sometime in the last 7 or more years? Why wasn't there a thread for the IOL Headquarters project?

Unless I'm missing something, all that has been announced is (surprise surprise) a delay in announcing the project. A new thread could have been created multiple times for this project, this just seems an odd time to launch into a new thread when there is no developer, no plan, and no timeline.

For what it's worth, I also think this thread should be closed down and merged back with the normal Saint John thread.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by thefishingnut

Ok, so why wasn't the thread created sometime in the last 7 or more years? Why wasn't there a thread for the IOL Headquarters project?

Because we're just now beginning to adhere to these rules. We have a bit more traffic now than we did when I first joined, for example. It's simply about trying to keep things neat and tidy. This thread for this development, another for another development. The main Saint John thread can still be used for discussion, rumours, and smaller projects, but often I found that the thread would get bogged down in some sort of different discussion and, personally, having to dig back through dozens of pages is more cumbersome than going back to the main Atlantic Canada forum and finding the thread for a development you may be looking for. Honestly I can't see there being any more than one or two Saint John development threads at any given time given the slow market that we have.

With the next project/development there will be another thread. We could have had one for HarbourFront Condos, for example.

Originally Posted by thefishingnut

Unless I'm missing something, all that has been announced is (surprise surprise) a delay in announcing the project. A new thread could have been created multiple times for this project, this just seems an odd time to launch into a new thread when there is no developer, no plan, and no timeline.

There was no announcement for a delay, just that the site may be contaminated. It's been delayed in the past.

There is now work being done on site to look into a possible contamination of the site which is the closest thing to progress we've seen in those seven years. Now that the thread has been created we can just bump it back if development stalls and there's no news on anything. No need to create the same thread over and over again.

The city has been promising a developer, a plan, and a timeline, and I can assure you i'm not the only one that buys into their promises in regards to this site. It's a prime piece of land in the city and more than deserves it's own separate topic based on the possibilities and/or scale of the project at hand.

Originally Posted by thefishingnut

For what it's worth, I also think this thread should be closed down and merged back with the normal Saint John thread.

Thanks for your input.

[mylesmalley]

Creating new threads vs One Thread to Rule Them All is always going to bring about some debate.

There are a few problems with a massive thread. Obviously it gets hard to find things, especially if you need to go back more than a few days. The other problem is if you have more than a couple big projects going on at a given time. Overlapping conversations are hard to follow if you care about one but not the others. And naturally the flow is pretty disjointed.

Splitting big projects into their own posts make them a lot easier to track and filter. If you don't really care about a certain type of development, don't read that thread. Conversations can stay focused, etc. Mind you a balance needs to be struck because you totally can have too many threads to keep track of.

I'm with Greg on this one. I think it just comes down to a judgement call on whether something is big/popular enough to warrant a separate thread. But we're both open to everyone's opinions and suggestions.

[Peter_johnns]

Originally Posted by kwajo

That depends on what the new plan is. The previous Hardman Group plan involved renovating a couple of the Coast Guard buildings and then adding to them, only tearing down the shed along Water Street. With a new developer, they might choose to do the same, or perhaps bulldoze everything and start anew.

As for the Coast Guard, as far as I know, they are reducing operations in Saint John, almost everything will be based elsewhere, with only a small presence remaining (mostly at the wharf at HMCS Brunswicker).

I don't mean to go on a tangent here, but anyone else think it is hard to believe that Saint John wouldn't have a strong Coast Guard service? It is pretty much a necessity for a coastal city, is it not?

[UptownJeff]

Heard a rumour today - apparently the owners of businesses in Market Square had a meeting with the mayor - papers are all signed - just doing due diligence and announcement is set for 2 months from now. Lets see!

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by UptownJeff

Heard a rumour today - apparently the owners of businesses in Market Square had a meeting with the mayor - papers are all signed - just doing due diligence and announcement is set for 2 months from now. Lets see!

Open eyes and ears until April, then!

[Sabien]

Any updates or signs of movement on the waterfront?

This is really a great exercise in patience! (although, I'm getting tired)

[halifaxboyns]

This looks like a very exciting project for SJ. Can't wait to see it get built.