Speech pattern and typographical variations across Canada - Page 197

Andy6 · #**3921** Posted **Aug 3, 2020, 4:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Tai*rhymes with say"ger vs Ti"rhymes with with pie"ger.

Most kids said "tagger" when I was little. Another one I remember, which I think I've mentioned before, was the Jewish accent, which accorded greater prominence to the "g" in "-ing" than the rest of us did. I'm not sure if that was just a Winnipeg thing ("thing-guh") or if it was a more universal Jewish-English characteristic.

SignalHillHiker · #**3922** Posted **Aug 3, 2020, 4:58 PM**

Liverpool accent really stresses the G too. I like how it sounds.

kwoldtimer · #**3923** Posted **Aug 3, 2020, 5:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Andy6

Most kids said "tagger" when I was little. Another one I remember, which I think I've mentioned before, was the Jewish accent, which accorded greater prominence to the "g" in "-ing" than the rest of us did. I'm not sure if that was just a Winnipeg thing ("thing-guh") or if it was a more universal Jewish-English characteristic.

You hear it in the communities in Ontario and Montreal in words like “hanger” and “singer”. I think it’s common in the States as well. German/Yiddish influence?

Sarah89 · #**3924** Posted **Aug 24, 2020, 3:53 AM**

On JJ's accent. It's fake. ''Around'' for example isn't even subject to Canadian Raising. He says it like ''Arewnd''. Come on man.

This is just a quirk he did in order to get himself noticed. Based on the pattern and cadence that he speaks he likely started off with a very Americanized version of a Canadian accent. My guess is that his actual Canadian Raising was on the weaker end. I else sense an ''upper middle'' upbringing.

Doug · #**3925** Posted **Aug 24, 2020, 4:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by Sarah89

On JJ's accent. It's fake. ''Around'' for example isn't even subject to Canadian Raising. He says it like ''Arewnd''. Come on man.

This is just a quirk he did in order to get himself noticed. Based on the pattern and cadence that he speaks he likely started off with a very Americanized version of a Canadian accent. My guess is that his actual Canadian Raising was on the weaker end. I else sense an ''upper middle'' upbringing.

He's gotten bylines in the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/jj-mccullough/

Sarah89 · #**3926** Posted **Sep 18, 2020, 1:22 PM**

I don't know if anyone watches the agenda with Steve Paikin but it's basically a gold mine of the ''Canadian accent'' especially when you get a panel of guests (who are usually from Ontario) who do a debate. It's enough to make you want to slither out of your skin.

esquire · #**3927** Posted **Sep 18, 2020, 2:03 PM**

^ On a somewhat related Ontario public figure note, Dr. David Williams has a totally normal accent but he looks like a time traveller from the 1960s. From his clothing choices to his grooming habits, he looks like someone from the old times.

Acajack · #**3928** Posted **Oct 7, 2020, 12:15 PM**

So this little brouhaha showed up on my social media feed. Even before I clicked on the article famed pollster Angus Reid applauded, I just knew it was from our friend J.J. McCullough.

https://twitter.com/AngusReid/status...96543481602048

https://twitter.com/AngusReid/status...41573943422976

Aylmer · #**3929** Posted **Oct 7, 2020, 1:06 PM**

I sometimes wonder if, on some level, comments like these are based on the assumption that Quebeckers are just anglo Canadians who live in some Province-sized French immersion program. I met someone in Europe who'd just kinda assumed just that. He thought that Quebec was just an English-speaking place where French was tacked on as some sort of cultural program. He assumed it was kinda like Ireland and Irish - a language which was on the road signs and taught as a class, but which isn't widely used in everyday life. And he certainly didn't imagine that a majority of the population would be unilingual in the language.

kwoldtimer · #**3930** Posted **Oct 7, 2020, 1:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Aylmer

I sometimes wonder if, on some level, comments like these are based on the assumption that Quebeckers are just anglo Canadians who live in some Province-sized French immersion program. I met someone in Europe who'd just kinda assumed just that. He thought that Quebec was just an English-speaking place where French was tacked on as some sort of cultural program. He assumed it was kinda like Ireland and Irish - a language which was on the road signs and taught as a class, but which isn't widely used in everyday life. And he certainly didn't imagine that a majority of the population would be unilingual in the language.

I am again reminded of a South Korean ambassador in Latin America many years ago who, when I told him that half of French-speaking Quebeckers did not speak English, gave me a look of astonishment and exclaimed "(O)n purpose?!".

Dengler Avenue · #**3931** Posted **Oct 7, 2020, 2:17 PM**

It occurred to me that Blanchet is pronounced like Blanchette/Blanchète and en fait like “en faite”.

lio45 · #**3932** Posted **Oct 7, 2020, 2:51 PM**

In "proper" French, it's pronounced "en fè". That's true in Quebec as well. But in everyday Quebecspeak, it's pretty much pronounced "en fette" all the time. You'll sound French (and pedantic - which is usually the exact same thing) if you don't pronounce that un-silent last 't'.

"Qu'as-tu fait?!?" (French) vs "Kessé t'as fette là?!?" (Québécois)

lio45 · #**3933** Posted **Oct 7, 2020, 2:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

So this little brouhaha showed up on my social media feed. Even before I clicked on the article famed pollster Angus Reid applauded, I just knew it was from our friend J.J. McCullough.

https://twitter.com/AngusReid/status...96543481602048

https://twitter.com/AngusReid/status...41573943422976

"Average Joes have little chance to become [extremely qualified in a certain specific field] despite the best of intentions, therefore, the very top jobs will be off limits to most of them."

Okay, sure, that's true, but if you want to change the above, I can predict with near certainty that the net outcome will be worse, not better.

Québécois are born unilingual, just like Westerners, Americans, Scandinavians, Belgians... And it's a fact that it's possible to learn other languages, if you actually want to.

kwoldtimer · #**3934** Posted **Oct 7, 2020, 2:57 PM**

[QUOTE=lio45;9066221]"Average Joes have little chance to become [extremely qualified in a certain specific field] despite the best of intentions, therefore, the very top jobs will be off limits to most of them."

Okay, sure, that's true, but if you want to change the above, I can predict with near certainty that the net outcome will be worse, not better.[/QUOTE]

Meaning?

lio45 · #**3935** Posted **Oct 7, 2020, 3:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Meaning?

That I forecast that a society that chooses to eliminate all qualification requirements "because they're discriminatory" will likely soon go to shit.

An average Joe from a working class family has little chance of successfully becoming the one surgeon that will get to handle kwoldtimer's quadruple heart bypass, but we can change that if you want and give the scalpel to a random person if you prefer

but I have the feeling you'd rather live in a discriminatory society, all things considered.

kwoldtimer · #**3936** Posted **Oct 7, 2020, 3:03 PM**

You've lost me. Who was arguing against qualtification requirements? For what?

lio45 · #**3937** Posted **Oct 7, 2020, 3:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

You've lost me. Who was arguing against qualtification requirements?

Angus Reid.

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

For what?

"most top govt jobs", to quote him verbatim.

(You didn't see Acajack's post?)

I was just pointing out how flawed his general logic is. Westerners can become bilingual if they want, the fact that few of them do is on them. Not anyone can always become anything they want in life, especially if they don't want to put in the effort required.

kwoldtimer · #**3938** Posted **Oct 7, 2020, 3:24 PM**

Angus Reid is a polling firm. How do they argue against qualifications? Something has taken a weird turn in this thread.

MonctonRad · #**3939** Posted **Oct 7, 2020, 3:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

You've lost me. Who was arguing against qualtification requirements? For what?

Qualifications should be specific for the job at hand.

For example, I'm sure for your theoretical quadruple bypass, that you would prefer your cardiovascular surgeon to have his FRCS(C) designation, with his training having taken place at a world renown teaching hospital (Johns Hopkins?), and at least 10 years of post fellowship experience. On the other hand, I doubt it would matter a hoot to you whether or not said specialist cardiovascular surgeon was bilingual or not. In fact, if he was unilingual Russian, you might be OK with that too.........

kwoldtimer · #**3940** Posted **Oct 7, 2020, 3:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Qualifications should be specific for the job at hand.

For example, I'm sure for your theoretical quadruple bypass, that you would prefer your cardiovascular surgeon to have his FRCS(C), with how training having taken place at a world renown teaching hospital (Johns Hopkins?), and at least 10 years of post fellowship experience. On the other hand, I doubt it would matter a hoot to you whether or not said specialist cardiovascular surgeon was bilingual or not. In fact, if he was unilingual Russian, you might be OK with that too.........

Indeed. As they are, no?