The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[MonctonRad]

I still want to know if the roof is going to be red!!

(the Chateau Saint John that is, I didn't expect a page flip)

[michael_d40]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I still want to know if the roof is going to be red!!

(the Chateau Saint John that is, I didn't expect a page flip)

Lol God, I hop not.

[kwajo]

Maybe Cyr will go for a more psychedelic roof colouring this time:

[michael_d40]

Originally Posted by kwajo

Maybe Cyr will go for a more psychedelic roof colouring this time:

haha. Well were ARE SJ. We are fun and like to trash it up a bit haha

[Helladog]

Originally Posted by michael_d40

haha. Well were ARE SJ. We are fun and like to trash it up a bit haha

Remember when they painted the loyalist man's jacket aqua green at Reversing Falls?

[random11]

Originally Posted by kwajo

They've got a lot of work to do if they expect that hotel to open in the Summer

The comment in the TJ initially threw me off as well - but it's "next summer" as in 2010. Should be done by then! haha

[Helladog]

Highway 1 and 2 from St. Stephen to Moncton to be operated by private companies...?

"A private company, or consortium of companies, will upgrade and maintain Highways 1 and 2, from St. Stephen to Moncton, with construction expected to be complete by 2014."

http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/city/article/558309

UNB Stadium getting $$$

The budget also proposes setting aside $1.6 million towards a complete rebuild of the Canada Games Stadium at UNBSJ, but indicates $4 million will be coming from other sources. Whether that is still attainable remains unclear after Premier Shawn Graham said Friday the province has no money for the project at this time.

http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/city/article/558310

No money at this time??? Too bad the stadium wasn't in Moncton.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Helladog

UNB Stadium getting $$$

No money at this time??? Too bad the stadium wasn't in Moncton.

There is a reason for the new stadium in Moncton, it is to host the World Junior Track & Field Championships.

This is just like there was a reason for the stadium at UNBSJ, judging from it's name, it was built to host the Canada Summer Games.

Let's not get petty here.

[Helladog]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

There is a reason for the new stadium in Moncton, it is to host the World Junior Track & Field Championships.

This is just like there was a reason for the stadium at UNBSJ, judging from it's name, it was built to host the Canada Summer Games.

Let's not get petty here.

I'm not in the mood right now, thanks.

The stadium at UNB is the only of it's kind in SJ. Renos have been in the works for some time. You thinkn it's petty? SJ is farmilliar with the shyte end of the stick from Fredericton. It has nothing to do with Moncton's stadium in particular.

[michael_d40]

Originally Posted by Helladog

I'm not in the mood right now, thanks.

Lol I'm always in the mood to be petty with people from that (enter place here) because thats all they are good at. But my previous posts were deleted lol

[Helladog]

Originally Posted by michael_d40

Lol I'm always in the mood to be petty with people from that (enter place here) because thats all they are good at. But my previous posts were deleted lol

Well you know me...I never put Moncton down. It's great to get gov't funding for roads, gaming, recreation, and education; it's great for a city. With so many liberals in Freddy, you'd think funding a great facility like the stadium would be no problem.

By the way, they should change the name of the stadium since the Canada games were twenty years ago, and the place has other uses. On that note, the aquatic centre is also due for a new name.

[kwajo]

What I want to know is what we did to piss the province off. It's not that Moncton of Fredericton get more, it's that we seem to get less than our fair share - especially considering the huge chunk of taxes the government gets from our industrial base (speaking of which, why is their new courthouse a $50 million dollar project while ours is $35 million?). It's not Monctonians' fault, it's great for them, so I won't say anything bad about the city given that we're all in this boat together (you know, the boat from our coat of arms and flag )



But still, what did we do to annoy everyone so much? Was it that we kept electing Elsie over and over and over and over again?

[kwajo]

That article about the private highways that Helladog posted is interesting as it mentions that the Harbour Bridge might be included in this privatization. Now I'm no expert on this stuff by any stretch of the imagination, but it's hard to imagine a private company removing the tolls from the bridge unless the province or the feds pony up big bucks up-front.

I wish we could save the effort of doing repairs on the bridge (which is estimated at $35 million) and just build a new one that is properly constructed and looks better, but I realize that that would probably cost hundreds of millions, so I'll have to keep dreaming.

[nwalbert]

From a Federal Point of View:

It wasn't the fact that we kept re-electing Elsie as much as the fact that we kept re-electing a conservative for a 15 year period that the Liberals had power. For petes sake, we had one of only two conservative's in the country for one term! It is tough to get funding when you are on the wrong side of the government. Then we elected Paul Zed, whom I liked, as the Conservatives took power.

This is the first time in many years that Saint John has had an MP on the government's side.


From a Provincial Point of View:

Saint John has always been the biggest city in the province and has gotten all of the press. This bothers many other people in the province.


Current Situation:
Saint John has been punished for many years for the two reasons cited above. Now we are on the right side of the government and the last few years Moncton has been getting all of the press. I think that people in Moncton will soon start to feel the pain that we have for many years.

That's my 2 cents on why SJ has always gotten the short end of the stick. This all being said, I think that this Provincial government understands that the provinces future is here in Saint John. If New Brunswick is ever going to move forward and become economical successful we must focus our efforts on Saint John now and ensure that the Energy Hub is a success.

The government gets this, but I am fearful that the people of New Brunswick are too short sighted to see that and will continue to push to distribute resources across the province and we will continue to flounder economically.

Saint John has the potential to become the next Halifax over the next 2 decades, but knowing New Brunswick we will only mildly get behind the idea and the entire province will suffer.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by kwajo

What I want to know is what we did to piss the province off. It's not that Moncton of Fredericton get more, it's that we seem to get less than our fair share - especially considering the huge chunk of taxes the government gets from our industrial base (speaking of which, why is their new courthouse a $50 million dollar project while ours is $35 million?). It's not Monctonians' fault, it's great for them.

Without trying to inflame things, I think I know why our justice facility might be larger and more expensive than yours.

In Moncton, the province is consolidating all the courtrooms in Westmoreland, Albert and Kent Counties. This is a population base of nearly 200,000. I don't know what the service area for the new law courts in SJ will be. I'm sure it will extend into the KV but probably not to Sussex or Charlotte County. The service population therefore likely would be less.

In my humble opinion, I think this is probably the reason.

[kirjtc2]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Without trying to inflame things, I think I know why our justice facility might be larger and more expensive than yours.

In Moncton, the province is consolidating all the courtrooms in Westmoreland, Albert and Kent Counties. This is a population base of nearly 200,000. I don't know what the service area for the new law courts in SJ will be. I'm sure it will extend into the KV but probably not to Sussex or Charlotte County. The service population therefore likely would be less.

In my humble opinion, I think this is probably the reason.

I believe (and I may be wrong) that the Hampton court house which serves all of Kings County will be closing.

[nwalbert]

The number that I saw for our courthouse was $55 Million. Or is that all of Peel Plaza?

The only thing I could find on the gnb website is from last December but states $47Million. This is for the courthouse alone, and I would guess has probably turned into $55Million today.

[thefishingnut]

Originally Posted by kwajo

What I want to know is what we did to piss the province off. It's not that Moncton of Fredericton get more, it's that we seem to get less than our fair share - especially considering the huge chunk of taxes the government gets from our industrial base (speaking of which, why is their new courthouse a $50 million dollar project while ours is $35 million?).

Post 3898 has an article where Graham is quoted as saying that the Saint John courthouse is expected to cost $55 mil. Of course since it hasn't been tended or built, cost could end up being significantly more.

[kwajo]

Is it $50-55 million? If so I apologise, the only number I've seen is $35 million for the courthouse alone.

And as stated, the Saint John courthouse is replacing the ones in King's County (Hampton, Sussex, etc.) just as the one in Moncton is consolidating regional courts as well. I'm not sure if Saint John is replacing Charlotte County, but I know it is for King's.

[michael_d40]

Yeah, Ours was definitely earmarked for 55 million. So I guess that can stop all the rumours how their courthouse will be more. As well I guess that kills MonctonRads theory.
Woot.