Canadian Airport Thread II

[peytol]

Originally Posted by Zmonkey

Define pick up there Service?

For Calgary, Vancouver:
Westjet does 10-13 flights a day
Air Canada does 8-9 a day
Flair has 2-5 flights a day depending on time of year.

Lounges in Calgary, AC has one in Vancouver, connections on both sides.

For the hour flight, the service is what it should be. What are you hoping for?
Business travel will stay on AC/WestJet just because of how many flights there are per day. Leisure will go to cheapest option or one that fits schedule since its already fairly inexpensive.

Flair got in with $100 RT flights.

Last summer WJ was at 17x a day on peak days YYC-YVR, so 30 ish flights a day in the summer, mostly on max -8. Porter will be a fairly small addition to the capacity on the route, assuming they start with 3x a day or so. Seems like a no brainer to give it a try. Im surprised they waited until now.

I agree that it makes no sense for porter to bring Dash 8s out west, would much better to start new routes out of YOW if they have spare flying. They would need to massively ramp up the YVR E2 base to justify it, even then it would probably make more sense to just fly an E2 on YLW-YVR etc if you want feed. BC is really the only place AC and WJ compete on regional routes, not sure why Porter would want to get in on that too.

[casper]

Originally Posted by peytol

Last summer WJ was at 17x a day on peak days YYC-YVR, so 30 ish flights a day in the summer, mostly on max -8. Porter will be a fairly small addition to the capacity on the route, assuming they start with 3x a day or so. Seems like a no brainer to give it a try. Im surprised they waited until now.

I agree that it makes no sense for porter to bring Dash 8s out west, would much better to start new routes out of YOW if they have spare flying. They would need to massively ramp up the YVR E2 base to justify it, even then it would probably make more sense to just fly an E2 on YLW-YVR etc if you want feed. BC is really the only place AC and WJ compete on regional routes, not sure why Porter would want to get in on that too.

It provides connections for both themselves and their Alaska/American partners.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Top 8 busiest airports in Canada (by passenger numbers), ranked by number of non stop destinations and number of countries served.

Source: flightconnections.com

YYZ - 192 destinations (33 domestic) / 68 countries
YUL - 162 destinations (34 domestic) / 51 countries
YVR - 121 destinations (44 domestic) / 25 countries
YYC - 107 destinations (40 domestic) / 20 countries
YEG - 52 destinations (27 domestic) / 6 countries
YHZ - 48 destinations (18 domestic) / 16 countries
YOW - 41 destinations (18 domestic) / 10 countries
YWG - 41 destinations (21 domestic) / 6 countries

Interesting that YYZ has one less domestic destination than YUL. This can be explained by all the Air Inuit and Air Creebec flights from YUL to northern Quebec/Nunavik. YYZ doesn't have an equivalent. This boosts YUL's domestic destination count, without doing much for passenger numbers.

Not much separating YVR/YYC, to be quite honest, which is a bit surprising, but the rest is pretty much as expected.

YHZ outperforming it's peers (YOW/YWG) and YYZ is fast approaching 200+ destinations, in line with other majors such as JFK (198) and LHR (217).

CDG, FRA and DXB are in the 270-295 range. Of course, no one can touch IST, with 319 destinations in 119 countries.

^ Posted this back in August. Most of the new winter routes for W26 were already announced when I had posted the numbers back in August. So the below numbers include the new routes that were announced for S26 between then and now. In the list, YYZ is 1 shy of 200, but the list doesn't include Tirana, which TS just announced, so with the launch of that route, YYZ now has 200 destinations. Pretty impressive stuff.

Source: flightconnections.com

YYZ - 199 destinations (32 domestic) / 71 countries (+7 destinations, +3 countries)
YUL - 168 destinations (34 domestic) / 51 countries (+6 destinations)
YVR - 120 destinations (45 domestic) / 24 countries (-1 destination and country)
YYC - 108 destinations (40 domestic) / 20 countries (+1 destination)
YEG - 52 destinations (27 domestic) / 7 countries (+1 country)
YHZ - 52 destinations (17 domestic) / 19 countries (+4 destinations, +3 countries)
YOW - 45 destinations (19 domestic) / 10 countries (+4 destinations)
YWG - 43 destinations (22 domestic) / 7 countries (+2 destinations, +1 country)

So everyone gained at least something except YVR.
YYZ/YUL leading the pack in terms of new intl destinations, as usual, with honorable mentions to YHZ and YOW.

What did YVR lose between August and now?

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

^ Posted this back in August. Most of the new winter routes for W26 were already announced when I had posted the numbers back in August. So the below numbers include the new routes that were announced for S26 between then and now. In the list, YYZ is 1 shy of 200, but the list doesn't include Tirana, which TS just announced, so with the launch of that route, YYZ now has 200 destinations. Pretty impressive stuff.

Source: flightconnections.com

YYZ - 199 destinations (32 domestic) / 71 countries (+7 destinations, +3 countries)
YUL - 168 destinations (34 domestic) / 51 countries (+6 destinations)
YVR - 120 destinations (45 domestic) / 24 countries (-1 destination and country)
YYC - 108 destinations (40 domestic) / 20 countries (+1 destination)
YEG - 52 destinations (27 domestic) / 7 countries (+1 country)
YHZ - 52 destinations (17 domestic) / 19 countries (+4 destinations, +3 countries)
YOW - 45 destinations (19 domestic) / 10 countries (+4 destinations)
YWG - 43 destinations (22 domestic) / 7 countries (+2 destinations, +1 country)

So everyone gained at least something except YVR.
YYZ/YUL leading the pack in terms of new intl destinations, as usual, with honorable mentions to YHZ and YOW.

What did YVR lose between August and now?

Would it be DXB or was that already dropped back in August?

[Dominion301]

AI in March will be increasing YYZ-DEL to 10x weekly: https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/251219-aimar26sfoyyz

[RomanR27]

For YOW, I can think of MIA/PHX on PD and LGW on TS that have been announced, but I'm drawing a blank on the fourth. Maybe it's counting the YOW-YSB flights that operate out of the FBO? YMM was I think both announced and cut in that time frame.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

Would it be DXB or was that already dropped back in August?

Ahh yes. That makes sense.

Originally Posted by RomanR27

For YOW, I can think of MIA/PHX on PD and LGW on TS that have been announced, but I'm drawing a blank on the fourth. Maybe it's counting the YOW-YSB flights that operate out of the FBO? YMM was I think both announced and cut in that time frame.

LGW too I think….

Edit: My bad. Could have sworn I didn’t read LGW in your sentence. And yes, YOW-YSB is counted, regardless of where it operates from.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Ahh yes. That makes sense.



LGW too I think….

Edit: My bad. Could have sworn I didn’t read LGW in your sentence. And yes, YOW-YSB is counted, regardless of where it operates from.

A good chunk of YWG’s destinations are out of the Perimeter building instead of the terminal building. It’s interesting how Bearskin still use the terminal even though the two are one and the same. I guess it’s because the JV destinations need CATSA.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

Would it be DXB or was that already dropped back in August?

There is actually more changes...

Gained since August:
YMM, YHS, CAN

Lost since August:
YXU, YKF, TPA, TPQ, DXB

I cannot find another one destination that was gained, maybe it was CCU, since the site treats tech-stop as a "destination".

I guess the biggest lost out of that list would be TPA, since we would likely get DXB back with EK. Not sure if F8 will add YKF and YXU back, or if WS/AC would be interested in the route. And I don't think anyone cares about TPQ...

[thenoflyzone]

^ the site is indeed counting CCU as a destination.

[hollywoodcory]

WS loaded a decently sized update last night, here's what I've found so far:

YYC-MSP - Increased from 4x weekly to daily
YYC-LIR - Increased from 1x to 2x weekly
YYC-YSB - Increased from 2x to 3x weekly, resumes May 14 instead of June 7
YYC-YQB - Increased from 4x to 5x weekly, resumes April 28 instead of May 19
YYC-YFC - Increased from 3x to 4x weekly
YYC-YDF - Increased from 3x to 4x weekly
YYC-YQG - Increased from 4x to 5x weekly, resumes May 21 instead of June 28
YEG-ATL - Reduced to 2x weekly in January, then suspended from Feb. 1 - April 25
YEG-SLC - Reduced from 3x to 2x weekly
YYZ-BNA - Reduced to 4x weekly in May

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

^ the site is indeed counting CCU as a destination.

Does the site only count nonstop destinations or does it also count same-plane services like YXY in the cases of YYZ & YOW that go YYZ/YOW-YZF-YXY?

YUL has a few to northern Quebec and now to YSB too, and YOW also has same-plane service to YRT.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by RomanR27

For YOW, I can think of MIA/PHX on PD and LGW on TS that have been announced, but I'm drawing a blank on the fourth. Maybe it's counting the YOW-YSB flights that operate out of the FBO? YMM was I think both announced and cut in that time frame.

Must be YSB via the FBO as YVP came online in August so should have been part of the August count.

[VancityAvgeek33]

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

WS loaded a decently sized update last night, here's what I've found so far:

YYC-MSP - Increased from 4x weekly to daily
YYC-LIR - Increased from 1x to 2x weekly
YYC-YSB - Increased from 2x to 3x weekly, resumes May 14 instead of June 7
YYC-YQB - Increased from 4x to 5x weekly, resumes April 28 instead of May 19
YYC-YFC - Increased from 3x to 4x weekly
YYC-YDF - Increased from 3x to 4x weekly
YYC-YQG - Increased from 4x to 5x weekly, resumes May 21 instead of June 28
YEG-ATL - Reduced to 2x weekly in January, then suspended from Feb. 1 - April 25
YEG-SLC - Reduced from 3x to 2x weekly
YYZ-BNA - Reduced to 4x weekly in May

I’m surprised we haven’t seen any YVR additions from Westjet

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

YUL released October numbers.

https://www.admtl.com/file?v=7c067888-b4f3-4c5e-89c0-e04a92f9adb7&mod=preview

Domestic: 618,751 +2.7%
Transborder: 385,050 -13.1%
International: 853,409 +6.5%

Total: 1,857,210 +0.5%

YTD total: 18,960,831 -0.9%

Nice to see international numbers pick up once again, after mediocre increases during the peak summer months. As for transborder, it's more of the same, double digit negatives, which in turn pull down YTD numbers in the red. Hopefully, we can finish strong during the last two months of the year, and eke out an overall Y.O.Y increase, however tiny it might be.

Expect to see even worse transborder numbers at YUL in November. YOW, which had been hanging on until September was 6.4% in October and then as seen below fell off a cliff in November wiping out all the YTD gains:

Sector / Nov-24 / Nov-25 / % Change
Dom: 284,938 / 275,699 / -3.2%
TB: 69,710 / 51,997 / -25.4%
Int'l: 27,705 / 31,176 / +12.5%
TTL: 382,353 / 358,872 / -6.1%

Sector / YTD 2024 / YTD 2025 / % Change
Dom: 3,141,910 / 3,363,629 / +7.1%
TB: 659,783 / 660,748 / +0.1%
Int'l: 375,855 / 416,446 / +10.8%
TTL: 4,177,548 / 4,440,823 / +6.3%

November % of traffic recovered vs 2019 / YTD vs 2019
Sector / November / YTD % recovered
Dom: 88.8% / 91.4%
TB: 109.4% / 105.3%
Int'l: 138.1% / 109.8%
TTL: 94.3% / 94.7%

12 Months Rolling / % Change vs Year End 2023
Dom: 3,653,219 / +14.1%
TB: 742,414 / +28.9%
Int'l: 474,466 / +49.7%
TTL: 4,870,099 / +18.9%

[Dominion301]

YHZ's November & YTD 2025 pax stats:

November:

Sector / 2019 / 2024 / 2025 / % Change vs 24 / vs 19
Dom: 237,345 / 233,079 / 233,125 / +0.0% / -1.8%
TB: 19,265 / 20,219 / 17,683 / -12.5% / -8.2%
Int'l: 2,281 / 11,246 / 15,681 / +39.4% / +587.5%
TTL: 258,891 / 264,544 / 266,489 / +0.7% / +2.9%

Year-to-Date:

Sector / 2019 / 2024 / 2025 / % Change vs 24 / vs 19
Dom: 3,264,028 / 2,996,022 / 3,038,103 / +1.4% / -6.9%
TB: 339,767 / 291,617 / 322,141 / +10.5% / -5.2%
Int'l: 300,003 421,464 / 505,185 / +19.9% / +68.4% - 1st time breaking the 1/2 million mark. YHZ should easily surpass 600K in 2026
TTL: 3,903,798 / 3,709,103 / 3,865,429 / +4.2% / -1.0%

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

Does the site only count nonstop destinations or does it also count same-plane services like YXY in the cases of YYZ & YOW that go YYZ/YOW-YZF-YXY?

YUL has a few to northern Quebec and now to YSB too, and YOW also has same-plane service to YRT.

Non stop only. It only counts YZF, not YXY. I also don't see YRT on there.

Here's the breakdown by airline for YOW.

PD 26 non stop destinations
AC 18
WS 13
TS 5
UA 3
5T 2
PP 2 (Doesn't count YQB, as it's also a one stop via YUL)
AF 1
4N 1

[Dominion301]

YEG's November pax stats (transborder in line with YOW's big drop & a more modest domestic drop):

Domestic: 431,221 passengers = -2.6% (Year-to-date 5,617,610 passengers = +6.1%)
Transborder: 64,620 passengers = -20.0% (Year-to-date 742,733 passengers = -14.0%)
International: 60,092 passengers = +4.1% (Year-to-date 447,726 passengers = -1.1%)
Total: 555,933 passengers = -4.4% (Year-to-date 6,808,069 passengers = +3.0%)

FBO: 48,030 passengers = -24.5% (Year-to-date 649,256 passengers = +1.3%)

[thenoflyzone]

As expected, only a modest increase to Canada by SV.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/251226-svns26inc

Jeddah – Toronto eff 29MAR26 Increase from 4 to 5 weekly, 787-9

Also, LH is bringing the Allegris equipped 789s on FRA-YYZ and FRA-YUL next summer. I think YYZ is seeing the Allegris this winter as well on select frequencies, but with reduced business class seating, due to certification issues with the seats.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/251225-lhns26787


https://onemileatatime.com/guides/lufthansa-allegris-routes/

[hollywoodcory]

Looking ahead to 2026, it seems YYC is the sole major that doesn't have anything new announced yet? There likely won't be any new long hauls, but I'm guessing they'll be a new domestic add (YAM / maybe even YQX) and maybe more Mexico later in the year.

WS does have another possible international destination for S26, but I don't believe its planned from YYC.