Amazon HQ2 thread

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by BrownTown

….Like literally I think the only reason she was hooking up with me was for the free food.

[MorganChi]

Originally Posted by fleonzo

Well put...and that’s coming from someone living in NYC!

I think you need to do a lil more research about Chicago and where they at with murders because that shit is over hype .

[MorganChi]

https://bismarcktribune.com/news/nationa...89407-4d43-5403-ad56-7c47880bda8e.html#2


Well I be damn Chicago is #25 on the list and Dc is #11

[skyscraperpage17]

Originally Posted by goat314

As somebody that frequently interacts with 20-somethings, I think this assertion is hopeful at best. 20-somethings from upper middle class and rich white families want to legalize weed, but anything that would offend their sensibilities or infringe on their privileges will be shot down immediately. Apple doesn't fall from the tree.

^^^Yep.

As a 20-something myself who's *NOT* from a privileged background, he definitely gets it.

[skyscraperpage17]

Long article, but a good and accurate read...

Amazon Scammed America’s Hurting Cities

https://newrepublic.com/article/152190/amazon-scammed-americas-hurting-cities

[Don't Be That Guy]

Originally Posted by goat314

As somebody that frequently interacts with 20-somethings, I think this assertion is hopeful at best. 20-somethings from upper middle class and rich white families want to legalize weed, but anything that would offend their sensibilities or infringe on their privileges will be shot down immediately. Apple doesn't fall from the tree.

Yep. Just because 20-somethings are okay with gay rights and legal weed does not make them automatic progressives. If anything there is a Randian undercurrent in tech culture with the slavish devotion to work, veneration of ubermensch behaviors from the likes of Bezos and Musk, and self-absorption and lack of socialization unseen in previous generations.

I view it as better than the brain rot paleo-conservatism that we see from Baby Boomers but it's foolish to believe that there's a lot of thought given to issues of social inequity, or preservation of liberal democratic norms from leaders in the tech industry.

[JManc]

Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright

Lol yeah, my cousin lives there because they work in the fashion industry and pay like half their income in rent despite splitting a tiny ass apartment with roommates... Certainly haven't heard any complaints about that situation...



Crawford has the best comments...

I think Crawford lives in a bubble. There is a reason why high-cost places like NY and the west coast are losing people left and right to more affordable places. They are being replaced with people with the careers and means to afford these places or immigrants who crowd into small apartments and split the rent/ bills 10 ways.

[maru2501]

Amazon’s HQ2 spectacle isn’t just shameful—it should be illegal


Citylab

https://www.citylab.com/perspective/2018...18-11-12T16%3A03%3A04&utm_source=twitter

[The North One]

My state gets plenty of NY transplants and they all abhor the situation in NYC. They rave about how much space they have since moved, how much better the housing stock is and how the lower cost of living is a huge burden lifted off their back. I've had college professors tell me their standard of living is significantly improved since leaving.

It's so convenient that people living in coastal cities think coastal cities are the end all be all of life and that it's simply the fair price they pay for a better place.

[JManc]

I might add, real New Yorkers do not thumb their noses at "fly over" country but rather it's the fake "New Yorkers" who moved there from...fly over country.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by JManc

I might add, real New Yorkers do not thumb their noses at "fly over" country but rather it's the fake "New Yorkers" who moved there from...fly over country.

one of my favorite NYC stories.

visiting college friends of mine in manhattan some years ago, and hanging out at a bar on the upper west side with some of their friends/acquaintances.

vapid blond: "you're from chicago? gawd, how can you stand it? i couldn't get out of the midwest fast enough. it's unbearable out there."

me: "oh, where did you grow up?"

vapid blond: "kokomo, indiana"

me:

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by JManc

I might add, real New Yorkers do not thumb their noses at "fly over" country but rather it's the fake "New Yorkers" who moved there from...fly over country.

one of my favorite NYC stories.

visiting college friends of mine in manhattan some years ago, and hanging out at a bar on the upper west side with some of their friends/acquaintances.

vapid blond: "you live in chicago? gawd, how can you stand it? i couldn't get out of the midwest fast enough. it's unbearable out there."

me: "oh, where did you grow up?"

vapid blond: "kokomo, indiana"

me:

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by The North One

My state gets plenty of NY transplants and they all abhor the situation in NYC. They rave about how much space they have since moved, how much better the housing stock is and how the lower cost of living is a huge burden lifted off their back.

Well, duh. They left NYC. NYC is a terrible place to live if you value tons of cheap living space for jetskis, ATVs and man caves. Those folks have moved to places like Raleigh, Columbus and Tampa, and they're undoubtedly happier there. It's the same as all the people in those same places telling me their quality of life has significantly improved since moving to NYC, and they can't imagine moving back.

The issue is whether people who willingly choose to live in NYC are put off by housing costs. I have never heard of any young professional move to NYC and then express surprise or anger at housing costs. It's like moving to Winnipeg and complaining about the cold, or moving to Hong Kong, and complaining about the crowds. You'd have to be a complete idiot to move to the most important city on the planet and then be surprised that housing costs vary from Omaha.

[goat314]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

one of my favorite NYC stories.

visiting college friends of mine in manhattan some years ago, and hanging out at a bar on the upper west side with some of their friends/acquaintances.

vapid blond: "you're from chicago? gawd, how can you stand it? i couldn't get out of the midwest fast enough. it's unbearable out there."

me: "oh, where did you grow up?"

vapid blond: "kokomo, indiana"

me:

Exactly. Obviously Chicago is the de facto mecca of the Midwest. Places like Detroit, Cleveland, St. Louis, Minneapolis, etc. are all major hubs for their hinterlands. Sure some are more successful than others, but this idea that if you do not live in the coasts, your life is devoid of a dynamic existence is misleading propaganda.

[The North One]

Originally Posted by JManc

I might add, real New Yorkers do not thumb their noses at "fly over" country but rather it's the fake "New Yorkers" who moved there from...fly over country.

This is so so true, it's always the transplants who act like they've arrived and are the most insufferable.

[mhays]

Originally Posted by Don't Be That Guy

Yep. Just because 20-somethings are okay with gay rights and legal weed does not make them automatic progressives. If anything there is a Randian undercurrent in tech culture with the slavish devotion to work, veneration of ubermensch behaviors from the likes of Bezos and Musk, and self-absorption and lack of socialization unseen in previous generations.

I view it as better than the brain rot paleo-conservatism that we see from Baby Boomers but it's foolish to believe that there's a lot of thought given to issues of social inequity, or preservation of liberal democratic norms from leaders in the tech industry.

In any case, tech seems to cluster in places with certain characteristics. It's not necessarily about progressiveness as you define it. Maybe the sweet spot for this group averages more around the left-center...abortion rights, multiculuralism, transit spending, and so on. And some factors aren't political at all...overseas air routes and the presence of your own home culture for example.

[JManc]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

one of my favorite NYC stories.

visiting college friends of mine in manhattan some years ago, and hanging out at a bar on the upper west side with some of their friends/acquaintances.

vapid blond: "you live in chicago? gawd, how can you stand it? i couldn't get out of the midwest fast enough. it's unbearable out there."

me: "oh, where did you grow up?"

vapid blond: "kokomo, indiana"

me:

Haha yes. Exactly!

It's people like this...who are killing what makes New York..New York. There are probably more real/native New Yorkers in Raleigh, Columbus and Tampa than there are left in New York now.

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by JManc

I think Crawford lives in a bubble. There is a reason why high-cost places like NY and the west coast are losing people left and right to more affordable places. They are being replaced with people with the careers and means to afford these places or immigrants who crowd into small apartments and split the rent/ bills 10 ways.

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[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by JManc

I might add, real New Yorkers do not thumb their noses at "fly over" country but rather it's the fake "New Yorkers" who moved there from...fly over country.

Fake news, lol.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by mhays

They poll substantially leftward on several issues. The only debatable point is how closely that's related to why tech generally goes to the big leftward cities.

Tech is notoriously libertarian. Not sure where this idea that it is liberal came from.