Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[Orlando]

Fyi, here's a rough massing model insert into Google Earth of the proposed towers along State Street.

[Utah_Dave]

Nice...

Thanks for the visuals

[Makid]

Originally Posted by Orlando

Whether or not the City will agree with the developer, a 40-story tower (assuming 440' tall hotel/residential tower) would stick out like sore thumb over there. I think it would be more fitting over on Arrow Press Square.

While it would look a bit out of place, it isn't alone in the area though. There will be 2, 11 story buildings on the NW corner of the block (125' approx each) plus the pink/salmon senior complex.

The 40+ story tower would be next to another building that is around 375' in height. If the 40+ story tower is due to the setbacks, it would be a Residential and Hotel building leaving the Commercial Tower at 375'. This means that there could be a height difference between the 2 towers of 40' to 75' unless the developer went above 450'.

This is only 1 block away from the CCH at roughly 375' on the NW corner of 200S and West Temple.

It could encourage redevelopment of the building on the SE corner of 200S and 200W (SE from RWP) which is zoned D1 already.

This would, if the rumor is true, help to stretch the skyline, further activate 200 South between West Temple and 300 West, and help break through another ceiling level.

[Old&New]

Originally Posted by Makid

While it would look a bit out of place, it isn't alone in the area though. There will be 2, 11 story buildings on the NW corner of the block (125' approx each) plus the pink/salmon senior complex.

The 40+ story tower would be next to another building that is around 375' in height. If the 40+ story tower is due to the setbacks, it would be a Residential and Hotel building leaving the Commercial Tower at 375'. This means that there could be a height difference between the 2 towers of 40' to 75' unless the developer went above 450'.

This is only 1 block away from the CCH at roughly 375' on the NW corner of 200S and West Temple.

It could encourage redevelopment of the building on the SE corner of 200S and 200W (SE from RWP) which is zoned D1 already.

This would, if the rumor is true, help to stretch the skyline, further activate 200 South between West Temple and 300 West, and help break through another ceiling level.

Orlando, can you add the other developments on the royal wood block in your massing model?

[Makid]

Moda Luxe has submitted information to the planning commission for CBDR approval. No documents on the URL yet but hopefully they will be added soon.

Below is the most recent design.

[Liberty Wellsian]

Originally Posted by Orlando

Whether or not the City will agree with the developer, a 40-story tower (assuming 440' tall hotel/residential tower) would stick out like sore thumb over there. I think it would be more fitting over on Arrow Press Square.

Come on now. That's from the south by Southwest(an angle that would most exaggerate it's sore thumbiness) quite close up, and an elevated view. No one, outside of a drone pilot, ever views SLC like that.

Give us one looking to the east from I-15 or from the south by southwest at ground level.

It ain't nearly that bad.

Further a sore thumb can be a catalyst for fingers. 400 feet plus on that corner would be great for this city. Absolutely it would be.

Imagine that tower in the view below

[Orlando]

Still not convinced?

[jubguy3]

At this point I honestly don't care if its all the way in Rose Park. Please just build the tower

[wrendog]

I'm convinced that while it may look weird at first, it would spur tower growth on the west side and expand downtown. Get er built.

[StevenF]

Orlando, put in the other 3 buildings on the RWP site and I am sure it won't look quite as bad. Also does not help that the convention center takes up 3 city blocks.

[DMTower]

Right now the convention center is a big wall where all towers stop. I'd love to see that wall broken and towers start popping up around it. Portland's skyline has no cohesion whatsoever, yet it feels and functions like a great, dense urban city.

[bob rulz]

Are we really going to complain about the potential of a 400 ft. tower to throw off the "balance" of our skyline?

[Always Sunny in SLC]

The balance of a skyline isn’t really a thing for me, but for those that it is I think it is worth noting that there really isn’t anywhere else that you can reasonably expect a tower to go up anytime in the next decade or two on the west side. The one exception is perhaps the LDS Churches parking lot on South Temple, but I think they are holding onto that land to preserve their view corridor. Further I think it would be a bad idea to have too much height. You would ruin the mid rise vibe.

[jubguy3]

Originally Posted by Always Sunny in SLC

The balance of a skyline isn’t really a thing for me, but for those that it is I think it is worth noting that there really isn’t anywhere else that you can reasonably expect a tower to go up anytime in the next decade or two on the west side. The one exception is perhaps the LDS Churches parking lot on South Temple, but I think they are holding onto that land to preserve their view corridor. Further I think it would be a bad idea to have too much height. You would ruin the mid rise vibe.

That’s the other thing that I think doesn’t get enough attention. The burj khalifa is not dense or urban. Having spent lots of time in Amsterdam, Paris, Prague, etc. I think that not enough weight is placed on the importance of midrise buildings and street life in SLC. Even the most engaging streets in SLC are relatively dead. I feel like a tower in that location would do a ton to encourage midrise development and create a more engaging street.

I hate the Salt Palace as a whole for what it does to 200W, but at least a hotel would incentivize them to try to improve it.

[EPdesign]

Maybe they shouldn’t have built the Empire State Building either.


Out in the middle of nowhere.

The monstrosity sticking out.

Instead of with all the other buildings where it could be more easily hid.

I’m waiting for my colleague to confirm what I heard. If it’s so.....I’m excited

[EPdesign]

Originally Posted by Orlando

Still not convinced?

Thank you so much for generating these Orlando!

I can see the south west really going into a high rise development boom. Fingers crossed. The surface lots in close proximity to the potential Millennium Tower by Help Properties can be the catalyst to shift the growing skyline south west as the original core only becomes more dense

[Utah_Dave]

Originally Posted by Orlando

Still not convinced?

I’m really liking the middle photo. If that, or something like it becomes reality one day the city will have some great density. I also noticed a small massing on the 1st south location from the middle photo. I hope we get something nice for that spot. I don’t think we talked about that location for a long time. Any rumors about Zions bank on that ?

[Pencil]

This is getting me really excited

[bob rulz]

Originally Posted by jubguy3

That’s the other thing that I think doesn’t get enough attention. The burj khalifa is not dense or urban. Having spent lots of time in Amsterdam, Paris, Prague, etc. I think that not enough weight is placed on the importance of midrise buildings and street life in SLC. Even the most engaging streets in SLC are relatively dead. I feel like a tower in that location would do a ton to encourage midrise development and create a more engaging street.

I hate the Salt Palace as a whole for what it does to 200W, but at least a hotel would incentivize them to try to improve it.

Yeah I'm much more interested in how it would affect the street level than in how it would look from afar. Obviously it would still look great from afar if it did get built (assuming it's an engaging design at least) and I would love it if this does end up happening, but that's why I champion this apartment and mixed-use infill instead of disparaging it for not being tall enough. Urban vibrancy won't come without this infill. Of course I would like to see taller buildings too, but people act like it's the be-all end-all of urban development.

[asies1981]

Originally Posted by Orlando

Still not convinced?

Keep in mind that Ritchie Group plans to build at least two towers at the parcel, two 11-story buildings and another 7 story building so that the tallest tower will have its own pyramid on that block.