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Old Posted Jul 4, 2006, 7:15 PM
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another article on the plight of locally-owned bay area bookstores:


Culture may close the book on shops
By John Simerman
[CONTRA COSTA TIMES]
Thu, Jun. 22, 2006
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/...s/14875652.htm (*RR)


Andy Ross couldn't quite swallow it.

The computer system at Cody's Books on Telegraph Avenue, a few blocks from the UC Berkeley campus, told him to ship back Emmanuel Kant's "Critique of Pure Reason."

The thing had sat too long on the shelf.

"When one of the greatest works of Western philosophy, if not the greatest, wasn't selling at Cody's, there's something wrong," said Ross, who announced last month that the store, a legendary locus for Berkeley's free-speech spirit, would close July 10 after a half-century.

"I haven't figured out all the implications. If I do, I'll probably get more depressed than I already am."

Ross and many other independent booksellers in the Bay Area share a common lament over a grim or nonexistent future for some of the most cherished havens for book lovers and strongest venues for visiting authors.

Many cite Amazon.com and the proliferation of big chain bookstores. But there are other factors, they say, that have piled straw on the backs of businesses that face thin profit margins and stiff competition from discounters. They range from the dot-com blowup to bad city planning, to a societal turn toward laptop literacy.

"It's no one thing," said Neal Sofman, who announced last week that he and the other owners of A Clean Well-Lighted Place for Books would pull the plug on their acclaimed store at Opera Plaza in San Francisco as soon as it liquidates its inventory.

"It's too easy to be simplistic. We're talking about a cultural shift."

In Menlo Park, 50-year-old Kepler's Books shut down last year, then was saved by a group of investors who could not bear the loss of a cultural and literary hub with a long history of progressive thought. Several other bleeding indies are shrinking, closing stores or looking to sell.

"One thing that a lot of people overlook is the competition from places like Wal-Mart, Costco and Safeway," said Carl Hammarskjold, a manager at Black Oak Books, which this month closed its store in San Francisco's North Beach neighborhood.

"I was in the Safeway in Sonoma, and they had Noam Chomsky for sale. When you start seeing that, you know some of the edge the independent bookstore had is fast fading."

The impact extends around the region, say booksellers.

For decades, both Cody's and A Clean Well-Lighted Place for Books drew a wealth of talent, famous and newly discovered, along with celebrity authors. Fewer major independents could mean publishers send authors to the Bay Area less often, or for less time.

"They are major event venues, and major destinations for visiting authors," said Michael Barnard, owner of Rakestraw Books in Danville, which has hosted the likes of Calvin Trillin, Sebastian Junger and Salman Rushdie.

"Their presence ... helped keep visiting authors in the Bay Area for several days and contributed to the viability of local book selling, local book culture."

Independent booksellers tout their personalized service, support for local authors and a willingness to stock their shelves to the tastes of the communities they serve.

The losses could have further implications on literary discovery, booksellers say. Indies have helped launch the writing careers of mystery suspense writer Scott Turow, John Grisham and Charles Frazier, author of "Cold Mountain," to name just a few.

Local stores often become community hubs, places to meet, talk and linger. Some, such as Book Passage in Corte Madera, have helped propel writing careers through conferences and salons.

Linda Watanabe McFerrin, an Oakland fiction and travel writer, credits conferences there with helping her meet talented writers and push her career. She credits Barnes & Noble and Borders with bringing books to places without them, but she also said the independents offer something else.

"A bookseller like Cody's or Book Passage doesn't just participate in the scene. They help create it," she said. "They are actually generating the literary culture. They're not just serving it, and that's very, very different."

Elaine Petrocelli, owner of Book Passage, said the loss of Cody's and A Clean Well-Lighted Place for Books "breaks my heart."

"It's an ominous situation, because it says to me the public has not been shopping at those stores in the way (the stores) need to continue to be viable," she said. "When Kepler's closed, the people on the Peninsula said, 'We can't let this happen.' But they had let it happen."

Book Passage faces a planned 28,000-square-foot Barnes & Noble within a block. Those plans have prompted a community outcry in Corte Madera. The store has turned to a member-friend program, similar to those run by museums and other nonprofit groups, for financial support.

Geography was partly to blame for the demise of Cody's on Telegraph and A Clean Well-Lighted Place for Books, the owners said.

In Berkeley, Ross counted a deteriorating Telegraph Avenue among the key reasons why Cody's suffered there, losing $1 million in the past five years. Ross also suspects that college students, his bread-and-butter market, are reading fewer scholarly books. Two other Cody's stores, on Fourth Street in Berkeley and a new one in San Francisco, remain in business, and he hopes to shift author readings and other events there.

Sofman hearkened to a dot-com boom that drove out a chunk of San Francisco's art community, then the bust that sapped the city's commercial occupancy; an increase in city parking ticket fees that scared off customers around the Civic Center; and a nettlesome homeless problem there.

He also cited "the 18- to 35-year-olds who live and dwell on the Web."

Hut Landon, executive director of the Northern California Independent Booksellers Association, painted a less grim picture of the climate for indies, saying those two stores had unique problems.

Nearly a decade ago, the rise in online book sales and chains took out many struggling local stores, but the indies have adapted and their numbers have remained fairly steady over the past few years, he said. The American Booksellers Association counts about 1,700 members, down from about 3,500 in 1990, he said. His group has stayed at 235 to 250 members for a few years.

The indies that succeed now tend to be smaller, neighborhood shops with smaller staffs and lower overhead, he said.

"I don't want to say we're not losing anything, but I do not see this as the beginning of the end," said Landon. "The phrase we use is 'Flat is the new high.' If you can maintain, then you're fine."

But Hammarskjold of Black Oak Books sees more trouble coming.

"Like Google's plan to digitize the world's copyright-free books," he said. "It may be in the not-too-distant future that there is no such thing as an out-of-print book. If nothing's out of print and nothing's hard to find, all books will be $6."

That may bode well for Internet-savvy readers, he said, but could spell doom for the local bookstore.
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Sofman hearkened to a dot-com boom that drove out a chunk of San Francisco's art community, then the bust that sapped the city's commercial occupancy; an increase in city parking ticket fees that scared off customers around the Civic Center; and a nettlesome homeless problem there.

He also cited "the 18- to 35-year-olds who live and dwell on the Web."

Hut Landon, executive director of the Northern California Independent Booksellers Association, painted a less grim picture of the climate for indies, saying those two stores had unique problems.
It's not just 18-35 year olds who dwell on the web. It saddens me to report I am not in that demographic, but I've got an ever-growing pile of books I'm meaning to read (some purchased at A Clean Well-lighted's going out of business sale) that don't get read because I'm wasting too much time here (and elsewhere on the web).

But I think those other two remarks are hooey. I live in the building wherein sat A Clean Well-lighted PFB. I've been a customer for 24 years. The neighborhood hasn't gotten any worse lately and is, in fact a lot better than at times like when Mayor Agnos let Civic Center Plaza become a homeless encampment or the period when several of the Civic Center government offices, including City Hall, were closed for repairs after the '89 quake. I briefly talked to the staff at ACWLPFB. They told me business just suddenly nose-dived and they don't know why. In reality, with the busy new Peet's next door and other things happening in the neighborhood, it seems to me foot traffic along Van Ness is as strong as ever and possibly growing. There are also several new residential buildings in the immediate neighborhood which should have brought in more people like me. And I know the landlord gave them every break--I know it because the staff said so and the building manager is a friend (I used to be President of the HOA) and told me so as well.

My suspicion is that ACWLPFB's business has declined, largely due to the availability of cheaper book prices on the web, people reading less and buying fewer non-fiction books because information that they may once have sought in books is now available free on the web, and maybe most important of all, the owner of ACWLPFB, after 24 years in business at that site, was just ready to give it up. I seriously wonder if that last reason isn't most important of all.
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Old Posted Jul 4, 2006, 8:37 PM
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BTinSF, you live in Opera Plaza?

i think you're right about ACWLPFB... it's just a sign of the times. amazon is the way to go these days.

which makes me wonder how long Cody's in union square can last. i was there this weekend on a busy, sunny afternoon and there was *no one* in the main cashier downstairs, and only a handful of customers in the store.

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BTinSF, you live in Opera Plaza?
For a very long time, yes. I was among the first people to move in in 1982. As a Redevelopment Agency project, it was offering 9.375% mortgages at a time when a regular 30-year fixed from a bank would have run 18%. I needed a place to live and it was close to a no-brainer.
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18% for a conventional 30-year fixed????

wow, and now people are fretting about about a 6.5% interest rate?
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18% for a conventional 30-year fixed????

wow, and now people are fretting about about a 6.5% interest rate?
Exactly. I have read, though, that 7% is the cut-off. Above 7% and mortgage rates start to deter sales. Below it they probably don't. What I think is detering people most now is just the interminable chatter about bursting bubbles.

If you're interested, here's a bit more of "That 70's Show": http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...columnist_baum

Money quote: "From a low of 2.7 percent in 1972, inflation ended the decade at 13.3 percent. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate rose from 3.9 percent in January 1970 to 6 percent in December 1979 by way of 9 percent in 1975."

Today, of course, we have inflation around 3% and 30-year fixed mortgages nearing the 7% mark--about 4% higher than the inflation rate as in the late 70's and early 80's.

It's a bit off-topic, but I'm a little concerned that the deficit spending and out-of-control international balance of payments deficits we've been running of late could bring us to a similar place again--from around 2.7% inflation to double digits. Back in the 70's they pointed to a 10-year lag between the "guns and butter" spending of the Johnson Administration and the 70's inflation. If true, the Bush deficits could really start hitting us in another 6 or 7 years.

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Really Great News

Today's SF Business Times carries the news that even though A Clean Well-lighted Place For Books is vacating its long-time Van Ness Ave. location, Van Ness will still have a book store because Books Inc. is taking over the space as its, yes, "flagship" (in this case, that means its largest location by sq. ft.).
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Great pics Blueberry. I love SF!
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Really Great News

Today's SF Business Times carries the news that even though A Clean Well-lighted Place For Books is vacating its long-time Van Ness Ave. location, Van Ness will still have a book store because Books Inc. is taking over the space as its, yes, "flagship" (in this case, that means its largest location by sq. ft.).




Books Inc is also a local independent that's managed to survive amidst this economic shift.... that is excellent news!
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I was in The City today with some out-of-towners who just arrived early this morning. An unexpected thing came up and so I took some relatives fresh-off of SW airlines to DT to look for all black clothes cause they came totally unprepared(in other words, business as usual). We looked everywhere from ultra chic(which with every passing day seems more and more like a colossal waste of money to me-maybe in my old age its finally come to me) to somewhat cheap-and after all that searching, buying other things in the meantime, all 5 of us found something nice to wear at Ross in what obviously was an off season clearance rack(black after all isnt so popular in July)-shoes however were a different story altogether(im still human after all)-thought about this thread btw.
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I am going to the city next week.. I am excited. Is the Emporio Armani store new? I've never seen it before.
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I am going to the city next week.. I am excited. Is the Emporio Armani store new? I've never seen it before.
Thanks to blueberry, you can see a very nice photo of the building:



and see that the building itself isn't new. Before it was an Emporio Armani, it was Cable Car Clothiers--and before that a bank--and when it was CCC, I shopped there (I'm far more into British clothing than Italian). That, however, was quite a few years ago. So I guess the answer to your question is "no", it's not very new at all.
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I was in The City today with some out-of-towners who just arrived early this morning. An unexpected thing came up and so I took some relatives fresh-off of SW airlines to DT to look for all black clothes cause they came totally unprepared(in other words, business as usual). We looked everywhere from ultra chic(which with every passing day seems more and more like a colossal waste of money to me-maybe in my old age its finally come to me) to somewhat cheap-and after all that searching, buying other things in the meantime, all 5 of us found something nice to wear at Ross in what obviously was an off season clearance rack(black after all isnt so popular in July)-shoes however were a different story altogether(im still human after all)-thought about this thread btw.
Ah, well, while I buy socks at Ross, I tend to find a lot more stuff for the rest of my wardrobe that fits my growing girth at Marshall's. And for shoes, there's really nowhere but Shoe Pavillion, because "if you didn't buy them at Shoe Pavillion, you paid too much" (and besides, I've got a few shares salted away).
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Ah, well, while I buy socks at Ross, I tend to find a lot more stuff for the rest of my wardrobe that fits my growing girth at Marshall's. And for shoes, there's really nowhere but Shoe Pavillion, because "if you didn't buy them at Shoe Pavillion, you paid too much" (and besides, I've got a few shares salted away).
LOL@your growing girth...

Believe me, under normal circumstances many of my people wouldnt really shop at Ross for the exact same reason(the one in Walnut Creek though has selection for bigger sizes that is phenomenal though-best Ross Ive ever been to) but I just happened to be with 4 cousins that found their sizes there..and my waist is size 32 so Im easy to shop for. I got this black velvet blazer by sean john for 29.99 which was really nicely made-I got a matching black dress shirt and black tie by tommy hilfiger both for $30.00-not bad for a recovering prada addict.

as far as shoes, we went to Nordstrom-it sorta ruined my whole "excess sucks" speech, but we're in mourning and this helped me ease the pain at that moment-but ouch my feet are killing me now.

oh well. life of a shopper
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My wife just informed me today, that if you don't want to give your $$ to the homeless, or the dudes on the road with coffee cups or what ever, the best thing to give them is SOCKS. They want SOCKS. I guess it make sense??? So next time your at one of those fancy shopping places, buy some socks that are on sale, give them away on the street, and feel good that you did something for them that they need??
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My wife just informed me today, that if you don't want to give your $$ to the homeless, or the dudes on the road with coffee cups or what ever, the best thing to give them is SOCKS. They want SOCKS. I guess it make sense??? So next time your at one of those fancy shopping places, buy some socks that are on sale, give them away on the street, and feel good that you did something for them that they need??
Interesting. I happen to have a good deal of personal experience with this, having worked at an agency that provides medical services to many homeless clients, and your wife is 100% correct that most of these folks do need all the socks they can get. The reason is they have no place to wash either themselves or their clothes. Mostly, they just wear clothes until they are so disgusting that even a filthy homeless person can't bear to keep wearing them and then they throw them away and try to scrounge something new. But of course without a place to wash themselves, this solution doesn't work too well. I have seen some really tragic medical foot problems (and, of course, we used to buy room deodorizer in bulk quantities because we used a lot of it every time we had someone take off his/her shoes).
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Or maybe they want alcohol?
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Or maybe they want alcohol?
no dude, they want SOCKS.
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no dude, they want SOCKS.
Truth is, too many of them want both (socks and alcohol). Some want other things. I recall a group of kids, apparent runaways, who were maybe 15, 16 and used to sit on the corner of Castro and Market with a sign that said "Need money for tatoos".
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