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Old Posted Apr 9, 2007, 6:21 AM
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HX Guy thanks for the drawings for Patriot's Square. I'm not happy. I prefer the tables and umbrellas to the vast grassy area. We have that already at Margaret T. Hance Park, and you can ask anyone nearby who uses that space. Homeless people. The tables and umbrellas are more human-scale than the modified plan.
I have pretty high hopes for this project, it could be key, but it could also be a huge disappointment. I'd say anything even remotely resembling the AZ Center would fall into the latter category...
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Old Posted Apr 9, 2007, 6:26 AM
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Something I missed:
Would the existing Downtown Phoenix Public Market be relocated to Jackson St.? I think the current location (Central and McKinley) adds quite a bit of value for Encanto and Coronado residents, not to mention Roosevelt and Evans-Churchill. It seems like Jackson St. is targeted to out-of-downtowners, either suburbanites or tourists. The current Public Market might also be targeted to that group, but it could be a huge asset for the historic districts and new residential development in the long run.
I hope they can keep it up on the northern end of downtown for the long term, which shouldn't be too hard, given the amount of vacant land...
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Old Posted Apr 10, 2007, 6:51 PM
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On that Jackson Street Entertainment District project...what exactly are they doing? Are they using tax incentives to bring that development onto the street? Do they know the development is coming? Is a private developer building this? Or are they just doing street improvements and the development in the rendering is entirely conceptual? Or are vthere also tax incentives and contracts with developers involved?
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/\ I'm not sure of all of the details, but it is a private developer, I'm pretty sure it is one of the owners of the Diamondbacks. There is a corresponding champ car race being held in the same area, they are kind of intertwined, and the champ car race is already set to begin this November.
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Not sure if these have been posted.

Central Park East, to the north across the street from the Chase Building, 383'. This will bring much needed office space downtown:


New design of the Cosmopolitan Tower, which is now 21 stories instead of 16.



Thanks to JiminCal for posting the pics on the MW forum originally.
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44 Monroe now at 22 physical floors built.




Summit at Copper Square.


Sheraton Hotel, at 17 physical floors, with 215. McKinley in the foreground.



215. E McKinley Condos.


Phoenix Convention Center.


Alta Phoenix site undergoing some sort of work.


Central Park East.


Light Rail Station at Van Buren and Central.


Walter Cronkite School of Journalism site undergoing preperation work.


Light Rail power lines on Washington at 52nd St.

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Old Posted Apr 20, 2007, 8:14 PM
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Hotel Monroe

Here is a artist rendition of the renovated Professional Building which will reopen as the Hotel Monroe. It's great to see this building finally getting its remake. I look forward to spending some time on the roof top bar! Article from the Business Journal follows image.



Vaulting Ahead: Boutique hotel slated for historic building
The Business Journal of Phoenix - April 20, 2007 by Mike Padgett

Jim Poulin/The Business Journal
Jonathon Vento opens the giant vault door in downtown Phoenix’s Professional Building, which is being converted into a 150-room boutique hotel. The vault will be a featured attraction in a new restaurant set to open in Hotel Monroe in late 2008.

A historic office building in downtown Phoenix that has sat vacant for two decades is slated for rebirth as a 150-room boutique hotel.

The interior of the Professional Building, erected in 1931 as a bank and medical office at the southeast corner of Central Avenue and Monroe Street, is undergoing interior demolition by Grace Communities.

The building is set to reopen in late 2008 as Hotel Monroe. Its ground floor will have a bar, a restaurant "and a high-end gourmet chocolate and champagne shop," its developer says.

The new design includes another restaurant in the basement next to the bank vault, which will be converted into a wine bar and chef's demonstration room.

Entering the building's cavernous main floor is like stepping back into a time when grand hotels and luxury restaurants were the haunts of social notables such as author F. Scott Fitzgerald and Hollywood titans Humphrey Bogart and Greta Garbo.

That is the ambience sought by Grace Communities partners Jonathon Vento and the father-son team of Don and Ryan Zeleznak.
Hollywood chic

The main attraction on the ground floor will be the Gazelle Restaurant, with "a very, very sophisticated classic design, like the old Hollywood era," Vento says.

Vento and the Zeleznaks have hired Summit Builders as the contractor and Westlake Reed Leskosky as architect. The interior designer is Kay Lang + Associates of Los Angeles.

"We are going to make some beautiful memories here," Vento says. "We're doing everything we can to preserve and recall the old memories that are already here."

Grace Communities' plan for the Professional Building is backed by a competitor, Rob Melikian, whose family owns the Hotel San Carlos at the northeast corner of Central and Monroe.

"That is a critically important building for downtown Phoenix," Melikian says. "It has a gorgeous lobby. No one's done much with it in so many years, you feel like it's a time machine there."

During a tour of the building, Vento radiates enthusiasm for the future Hotel Monroe. He roams from the lobby, to the basement vault, to the 12th floor and roof.

In the lobby, he indicates sites for an octagonal bar and space for a piano and jazz combo. He points to where high-dollar deals could be forged over drinks in private high-backed, leather-covered booths.

He waves to the ceiling where crystal chandeliers will hang. He points to the granite floors and brass fittings, which will be cleaned and revived.
Raising the bar

Vento guides his visitors to the stairs leading to the basement vault. He describes how an intimate restaurant will fit into the space outside the vault, and how the vault itself will be converted into a wine bar and chef's demonstration room with climate-controlled wine racks.

Vento says he and the Zeleznaks plan to raise the bar in downtown Phoenix redevelopment.

"We're very comfortable working outside the box and in doing things that haven't been done before," he says, dusting off his hands after wrestling with the massive vault door.

He heads for the stairs behind him and then to the elevator at the other end of the building.

"Let's go up to the 11th floor," he says.

When the elevator doors reopen, Vento's enthusiasm continues.

"Look at the detail," he says, caressing the cast-metal art deco grill over the ventilation openings outside the elevator.

Walking across the gutted 11th floor to the windows, Vento motions to the view of central Phoenix.

"What's so special about this is, even if this were in Chicago or Boston or Philadelphia, cities with great history, this would still be an exciting and important building," he says.

Now he's heading for the 12th floor, which was added in the 1950s with a private dining room and conference rooms for bank officers and their clients. It will be designed into suites fit for presidents.

"This is obviously an important building at an important corner," he says. "It's Central Avenue and Monroe, and our neighbors include the tallest building in the state, and the tallest residential tower in the state, and the Herberger Theater, and the Hyatt Hotel, and the new convention center."

The state's tallest building -- the glass-covered 39-story Chase Tower -- is across the street. A block west of the Professional Building is 44 Monroe, which Grace Communities also is building. It will have 34 floors, making it the state's tallest residential building.

Also nearby on Monroe are the Roman Catholic Diocese of Phoenix at Third Street, and Heritage Square at Seventh Street.
On the drawing board

Now, Vento is climbing the metal ladder to the roof of the Professional Building, visitors in tow. Blueprints call for a rooftop bar and a negative-edge pool with a wind screen and space for patio furniture.

"Any time of day, you could come out and enjoy a drink and enjoy the skyline, and see the sunset and the city lights as they light up," he says.

Ryan Zeleznak adds that, although there have been previous attempts at renovating the building, several major redevelopments downtown have made it more viable. Those include construction of the biotech campus, Arizona State University's expanded downtown campus, the light rail system, the expanded Phoenix Convention Center, and the new 1,000-room Sheraton Hotel.

Hotel Monroe is one of three new hotels Grace Communities is planning in Phoenix.

One is on 7 acres that Vento and the Zeleznaks purchased next to the Londen Center office building, at the southwest corner of 44th Street and Camelback Road. It includes about 350,000 square feet of office space, 50 condominiums and a five-story, 150-room hotel. That project is to begin in early 2008.

The third new hotel, with 150 rooms, is part of the Portales luxury residential development that Grace Communities is planning west of Scottsdale Road and Goldwater Boulevard.
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2007, 10:02 PM
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The Hotel Monroe story is super exciting. It should be super cool when it's open.
I'm wondering about the Central Park East project. There was another project with the same name that had ASU space integrated as a part of the building. I was under the impression that the previous plan fell through. Is this totally different?
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CPE with ASU dorms incorporated into it fell through. That proposal was for something in the 45-50 story level. It's back again, this time with only the office and ground floor retail components at 26 story height. Check out the Phoenix Development thread for more info (it's back a few pages).
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^ Most enlightening. Thank you.
I really like the architecture of the building. New class A downtown will be a boon to everyone.
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Copper Pointe Towers

The 3 40+ story Copper Pointe Towers that are proposed are good, I'm just wondering about the location of 3rd Ave & Filmore. I have a feeling neighbors will not be very happy with the traffic, unless the developer includes a plan to add more lanes on Filmore, which means they'll have to do a lot of tearing down of old homes in the area.
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The 3 40+ story Copper Pointe Towers that are proposed are good, I'm just wondering about the location of 3rd Ave & Filmore. I have a feeling neighbors will not be very happy with the traffic, unless the developer includes a plan to add more lanes on Filmore, which means they'll have to do a lot of tearing down of old homes in the area.

Ummm, have you ever been over there? Besides the Filmore Lofts on 2nd Ave and Filmore, there isn't much there. There are a few homes north of Filmore going up to Roosevelt, and there's absolutely squat to the south. A lot of the homes north of Filmore are in various stages of re-development, so they don't really have residences, a number of them have been turned into businesses, and almost all of them have a vacant lot or to adjacent to their property. That is the one area that drive me crazy when it comes to historic preservation. If all those old houses remained that would be, by far, one of the coolest neighborhoods in town.
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Ummm, have you ever been over there? Besides the Filmore Lofts on 2nd Ave and Filmore, there isn't much there. There are a few homes north of Filmore going up to Roosevelt, and there's absolutely squat to the south. A lot of the homes north of Filmore are in various stages of re-development, so they don't really have residences, a number of them have been turned into businesses, and almost all of them have a vacant lot or to adjacent to their property. That is the one area that drive me crazy when it comes to historic preservation. If all those old houses remained that would be, by far, one of the coolest neighborhoods in town.
I hadn't been down there for a few months, until today and I drove by the site, and yes I see your point SunDevilGrad, there are vacant lots on the southside of Filmore, and there's one house northwest of the proposed site, which has been well-kept. I hope the resident in that house doesn't present any opposition to the project. I'm also sure they can find a way to widen Filmore without affecting the Filmore lofts on 2nd Ave & Filmore, and if they got rid of that old ugly one-story building right across the street from the Circle K on 1st Ave & Filmore, which only has a Bank of America ATM right now, that wouldn't be too much of a loss.

In my opinion, to accomodate the increased traffic from Copper Pointe, Filmore would have to have 2 lanes in each direction from 7th Ave to Central, plus maybe a turn lane.
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On the W building, that latest design is ugly, it looks like something out of a 1950's science fiction movie or cartoon. I hope they find a way to go back to the original Bruder design, or come up with a better one.

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I want to get a consensus of opinions from posters here; Phoenix hasn't seen the same skyscraper building boom we've seen in other cities like Las Vegas or San Diego. The tallest building in Phoenix, which was originally the 40-story Valley Bank Tower, now Chase Tower, has been that way for over 34 years now and no great effort has been taken to go higher. I've heard several reasons for that and they were:
- The close proximity of downtown to Sky Harbor
- Sprawl and outward expansion because people didn't want to live in the city
- No decent transportation infrastructure into and out of downtown
- Opposition to tall structures
- Office building trends moved them out of downtown and closer to the suburbs

I think all of these may have been factors in keeping upward growth in downtown Phoenix a bit stagnant, but I hope the new light rail system will bring new life to downtown and encourage more developers to build there, rather than have all of these gazillion 3 or 4 story office structures scattered all over the valley.
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Here's a couple of pictures from the past
Valley Bank/Chase Tower under construction 1972

Hyatt Regency Hotel under construction 1975
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MM, good points, but if you're really interested in learning more, all of these issues are covered in the Phx development news thread.
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ASU Downtown

Here’s a rendering of the new ASU Downtown dorms for DT Phoenix. The Phoenix forumers have already seen this on the Phoenix Development thread. ASU DT is a major part of the revitalization effort going on here. These buildings will be at the northern edge of downtown near the AZ Center and new Sheraton hotel that is going up...

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I want to get a consensus of opinions from posters here; Phoenix hasn't seen the same skyscraper building boom we've seen in other cities like Las Vegas or San Diego. The tallest building in Phoenix, which was originally the 40-story Valley Bank Tower, now Chase Tower, has been that way for over 34 years now and no great effort has been taken to go higher. I've heard several reasons for that and they were:
- Sprawl and outward expansion because people didn't want to live in the city
- Office building trends moved them out of downtown and closer to the suburbs
It's the two I left in there. Sky Harbor isn't really a major factor in downtown Phoenix, the FAA has shown that buildings far taller (700' and up) are permissible in the urban core, the freeway system literally revolves around downtown, I don't know what more transportation infrastructure you need other than light rail. People's mentality has been that downtowns are not places they want to be. This goes for potential residents as well as businesses.
A factor you missed is that the big multinational businesses that tend to build and occupy high-rises are notably absent from Phoenix. Much smaller cities have more Fortune 500-level corporate headquarters, which directly translates into more high-rise commercial buildings, which translate into more interest in living downtown. We'll see what the future brings, but I doubt we'll see a lot of high-rise commercial structures downtown in the coming years. We'll see...
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I revised and updated the first (main) page of this thread. It is still a work in progress.

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