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Old Posted Aug 26, 2020, 2:54 PM
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I agree. On the O-Train Fans Forum, there is someone drawing up designs for a Line 3 that would incorporate the Carling LRT, the Bank Street Subway and the Rideau/Montreal option, except that they end the line at St Laurent, not Montreal Road.
It NEEDS to end at Montreal Station in order to incorporate Montreal Road
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I agree. On the O-Train Fans Forum, there is someone drawing up designs for a Line 3 that would incorporate the Carling LRT, the Bank Street Subway and the Rideau/Montreal option, except that they end the line at St Laurent, not Montreal Road.
Can you share those maps for us?
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Can you share those maps for us?
They can be found here:

https://forum.railfans.ca/topic/645-2039-rapid-transit/
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Very nice
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I'm surprised more people don't see the benefits of a Montreal Road/Rideau Street line
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Billings Bridge O-Train Station idea

Has anyone been able to find any potential drawings of what the Billings Bridge O-Train station would look like? How deep would the tunnel be? And where would it connect to the mall?
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Has anyone been able to find any potential drawings of what the Billings Bridge O-Train station would look like? How deep would the tunnel be? And where would it connect to the mall?
I would put it under the Transitway station.
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The original Rideau Station drawings would be perfect for the Billings Bridge Tunnel because it would be a high traffic area getting people in and out of the downtown from Ottawa South

https://postmediaottawacitizen2.file...hyjM2nDNeutWCA
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There is no such thing as Billings Bridge O-Train station.
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The O-Train Billings Bridge Station could be made an intermodal station serving the Via Line, the Bank Street Subway, Transitway BRT and local buses. There’s a lot of land around there for condo towers, hotels, and with a fitness focus with the RA Centre next door, and Rideau River canoeing. So you would need a station capable of handling lots of people, like the original Rideau Station drawings. The Bank Street Subway would be deeper and would connect at Parliament under the current station and also connected to a rethought Parliament Station for the STO Trams.
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2020, 12:12 AM
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The Bank Street Tunnel would have to have a really good station at Lansdowne as well because when you have 20, 30, 40, or even 50K people at rock concerts and sporting events you need the room to get people in and out. So that station would be really important as well
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The O-Train Billings Bridge Station could be made an intermodal station serving the Via Line, the Bank Street Subway, Transitway BRT and local buses. There’s a lot of land around there for condo towers, hotels, and with a fitness focus with the RA Centre next door, and Rideau River canoeing. So you would need a station capable of handling lots of people, like the original Rideau Station drawings. The Bank Street Subway would be deeper and would connect at Parliament under the current station and also connected to a rethought Parliament Station for the STO Trams.
I hadn't thought of that! The VIA line goes by Billings Bridge! Isn't it up higher on a hill? If a Bank Street line ever happens, it would be a good idea to create a VIA stop there.
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There is no such thing as Billings Bridge O-Train station.
I think this falls under ideas.
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2020, 11:18 AM
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I think this falls under ideas.
Exactly! We need someone to start come up with drawings for Billings Bridge and Lansdowne Stations in particular because the Bank Street Subway line is really a vital corridor
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Surely we could use the VIA corridor for an O-Train line while the transitway is converted? If HFR materializes, that section of track would likely be doubled.

I think it makes no business sense for VIA to have an extra station only a few miles from the Ottawa terminal. But eventually a regional railroad that connects the VIA stations and O-Train lines with Carleton Place, Smiths Falls etc would make sense.
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Surely we could use the VIA corridor for an O-Train line while the transitway is converted? If HFR materializes, that section of track would likely be doubled.

I think it makes no business sense for VIA to have an extra station only a few miles from the Ottawa terminal. But eventually a regional railroad that connects the VIA stations and O-Train lines with Carleton Place, Smiths Falls etc would make sense.
Building up at Billings Bridge, with an O-Train Bank Street Subway and VIA transfer station would encourage a regional rail system. That regional rail would support stations in South Nepean, Barrhaven (at Fallowfield, at Strandherd), Richmond, Smiths Falls and Brockville. It could be Ottawa's GO Train.

Have the other line go east to Casselman, which is already asking for commuter rail, with a connection at Tremblay.
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Do I have to have a train avatar to post in this thread now?
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Fantasy Transit System Ideas - Ottawa/Gatineau

Okay so lately I've been noticing a lot of fantasy maps and systems going around the forum and other forums too. So I think it's a good idea to make a specific thread about all that. The forum was getting quite unreadable lately.

May be this thread be the place to display all of our craziest ideas about Ottawa/Gatineau transit systems.



So without further due. I will start with a ''Realistic'' vision for Ottawa Gatineau Transit to be completed before 2040.
Consider this plan to be an ANTI ''watson/stage 3''.
LINK HERE to see the full map : https://www.scribblemaps.com/maps/vi...050/cz2MB7S24l







This plan has the objective of densifying considerably the inner Greenbelt without sacrifying the need for better and heavier transit in the suburbs. This will happen by the creation of the following elements:

- Creation of 10min' and 15min' frequency buses on selected routes between 7AM and 7PM. Those routes will also run 24/7 at reduced frequencies. The routes concerned are :
14, 80, 85, 7, 12, 88, 10, 6 for the 10min'' buses and routes 16, 56, 11, 53, 86, 61, 75, 57, 40, 25, 97 for the 15min'' buses. Some routes will see their path change, and other will fuse all together like route 5 & 6 (see the interactive map).
The goal is to densify the network in the inner greenbelt and offer alternatives to Otrains lines to the image of what is done in Toronto and Montreal.



- Creation of a Bank Street Subway (Central Line/ Line 3) going from Parliament to Bilings Bridge calling at : Parliament, Somerset, Gladstone, Ottawa Bus Terminal, Glebe, Lansdowne, Sunnyside and Billings Bridge. This line will serve a vital role in serving the busiest street in Ottawa but also link the Billings Bridge intermodal station to the CBD. Trains will run every 3min and will use the same technology as the Confederation Line to accomodate for better interoperability between both lines.



- Creation of a wide commuter rail network, using existing freight and passenger corridors. That will be done by the creation of 3 commuter rail lines Valley (Kanata/Carp), Russel (Vars/Limoges) and River (Barrhaven/Richmond) lines. The corridor between Ottawa Central Station and Bells Corners will be double tracked. Billings Bridge will be rethought to accomodate a full Intermodal station. The station will permit commuters from Kanata, Carp and Barrhaven to transfer on to the Central Line to reach the CBD.







- Creation of an STO LRT system with 3 lines. 2 regular lines, T1 from Labrosse to Downtown Ottawa, T2 from Allumetières & Rivermead to Downtown Ottawa via Lucerne. I didn't follow the current plans to use Alexandre Taché as this would slow down considerably the level of service, disrupt traffic much more and harder to realise at the UQO hillet. Lucerne would also permit higher speed and has an ancient rail imprint on the south side. T3 would be the last line and would run mainly during rush hour to Buckingham & Freeman via the hold rail lines along the Rapibus and passed Labrosse. During the day the line would run hourly.

- Creation of STO nightbuses and 15min' frequency lines. These lines (67, 37, 31, 59 & 34) would run every week day at 15min' frequencies between 7AM & 7PM and would run late at night until 2AM (last bus leaves Ottawa at 2AM).

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Okay so lately I've been noticing a lot of fantasy maps and systems going around the forum and other forums too. So I think it's a good idea to make a specific thread about all that. The forum was getting quite unreadable lately.

May be this thread be the place to display all of our craziest ideas about Ottawa/Gatineau transit systems.



So without further due. I will start with a ''Realistic'' vision for Ottawa Gatineau Transit to be completed before 2040.
Consider this plan to be an ANTI ''watson/stage 3''.
LINK HERE to see the full map : https://www.scribblemaps.com/maps/vi...050/cz2MB7S24l







This plan has the objective of densifying considerably the inner Greenbelt without sacrifying the need for better and heavier transit in the suburbs. This will happen by the creation of the following elements:

- Creation of 10min' and 15min' frequency buses on selected routes between 7AM and 7PM. Those routes will also run 24/7 at reduced frequencies. The routes concerned are :
14, 80, 85, 7, 12, 88, 10, 6 for the 10min'' buses and routes 16, 56, 11, 53, 86, 61, 75, 57, 40, 25, 97 for the 15min'' buses. Some routes will see their path change, and other will fuse all together like route 5 & 6 (see the interactive map).
The goal is to densify the network in the inner greenbelt and offer alternatives to Otrains lines to the image of what is done in Toronto and Montreal.



- Creation of a Bank Street Subway (Central Line/ Line 3) going from Parliament to Bilings Bridge calling at : Parliament, Somerset, Gladstone, Ottawa Bus Terminal, Glebe, Lansdowne, Sunnyside and Billings Bridge. This line will serve a vital role in serving the busiest street in Ottawa but also link the Billings Bridge intermodal station to the CBD. Trains will run every 3min and will use the same technology as the Confederation Line to accomodate for better interoperability between both lines.



- Creation of a wide commuter rail network, using existing freight and passenger corridors. That will be done by the creation of 3 commuter rail lines Valley (Kanata/Carp), Russel (Vars/Limoges) and River (Barrhaven/Richmond) lines. The corridor between Ottawa Central Station and Bells Corners will be double tracked. Billings Bridge will be rethought to accomodate a full Intermodal station. The station will permit commuters from Kanata, Carp and Barrhaven to transfer on to the Central Line to reach the CBD.







- Creation of an STO LRT system with 3 lines. 2 regular lines, T1 from Labrosse to Downtown Ottawa, T2 from Allumetières & Rivermead to Downtown Ottawa via Lucerne. I didn't follow the current plans to use Alexandre Taché as this would slow down considerably the level of service, disrupt traffic much more and harder to realise at the UQO hillet. Lucerne would also permit higher speed and has an ancient rail imprint on the south side. T3 would be the last line and would run mainly during rush hour to Buckingham & Freeman via the hold rail lines along the Rapibus and passed Labrosse. During the day the line would run hourly.

- Creation of STO nightbuses and 15min' frequency lines. These lines (67, 37, 31, 59 & 34) would run every week day at 15min' frequencies between 7AM & 7PM and would run late at night until 2AM (last bus leaves Ottawa at 2AM).
Love this!

Some names for the Gatineau lines":
Plateau Line
Aylmer Line
Buckingham Line
Freeman Line
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2020, 3:36 AM
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I merged in the recent fantasy Montreal Road & Rideau Streeet O-Train line thread as well as the fantasy Billings Bridge O-Train Station thread.
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