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Old Posted Dec 5, 2021, 3:56 AM
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Lol, Everybody knows how whatnext feels about the Chinese here. What questions do you even need ask? What conversation is there to be had?
Can you prove that? ...I'll wait.


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whatnext won't even say that your interpretation is what he meant. Letting alone to have you come to his rescue, then turn around to accuse the people who pointed out the bigotry as the real racist.
Never said that or made any accusations. If I did: quote me.

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Old Posted Dec 5, 2021, 7:39 AM
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What whatnext posted suggests that people in Richmond don't work in Richmond.
Read it again. He was suggesting that people in Richmond don't work. It fits a pattern of comments over years, as cov and vin both noted.For example, look for comments about 'homemakers' or 'students' on the west side of Vancouver buying houses, or drawing attention to Chinese developers pulling out of projects, but never to Italian or Greek ones, for example.
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Old Posted Dec 5, 2021, 3:00 PM
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Never said that or made any accusations. If I did: quote me. .

ok, if you are asking to be embarrassed .

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Generalizing the population of Richmond based on a stereotype and interpreting whatnext's statement as being racially charged is actually on you.
weird how you want to wait for me to respond but won't wait for whatnext to explain himself. even pulled the as a colored man card, gross
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Old Posted Dec 5, 2021, 4:03 PM
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Looks like the Atmosphere project at Landsdowne is in deep trouble. City of Richmond erected a fence around the project due to over 9M in legal action.

https://www.richmond-news.com/local-...TWk3uvyNa0WUqU
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Old Posted Dec 5, 2021, 8:35 PM
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Read it again. He was suggesting that people in Richmond don't work. It fits a pattern of comments over years, as cov and vin both noted.
That is a actually a judgmental opinion on how the statement can be interpreted. Just because your opinion of the content that whatnext writes is always loaded with hate (or whatever) without it being explicitly expressed, doesn't mean that I need to share in that groupthink mentality. I'm not defending the individual as I still think that it was an out-of-pocket remark and I called it out; but to call the statement out as a blatant example of racism is reaching.

The point that you missed is that my suggestion is to call someone out smarter by getting them to explain questionable remarks so that we aren't jumping to conclusions. You're more than welcome to use a different approach though .


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ok, if you are asking to be embarrassed .

weird how you want to wait for me to respond but won't wait for whatnext to explain himself.
You didn't wait for whatnext either to explain themselves before typing out your response so the pot is calling the kettle black here .

Let's break down what I wrote since I can see that I struck a nerve with you when I wanted to encourage a little more self-awareness:

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Not really from my perspective... and this is based on technicalities and semantics.

What whatnext posted suggests that people in Richmond don't work in Richmond. Generalizing the population of Richmond based on a stereotype and interpreting whatnext's statement as being racially charged is actually on you.
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Letting alone to have you come to his rescue, then turn around to accuse the people who pointed out the bigotry as the real racist.
Again I never called you a racist. I called you out for projecting your own generalization towards this municipality's demographics and jumping to conclusions on an ambiguous off-the-cuff statement. I think that there was a smarter way to investigate whatnext's intentions with that statement without lobbing accusations on a standalone statement.

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even pulled the as a colored man card, gross
Lot's of problems with this statement. But let me lead by example for just a minute:

1. What do you mean by colored man? Are you referring to me as a person of color or are you making an assumption? If you assumed that I'm black and are now referring to me as being colored, then it is actually something that is quite offensive. I think that it is very interesting that you would refer to me as a colored man rather than a person of color.

Chicago Tribune

Slate

NPR

I even left ya a few mainstream articles on how it is an outdated term with the way you used it publicly .

2. Where did you see me refer to myself as a man? Are you assuming my gender? And does this assumption have anything to do with a generalization on the general demographic of this forum?

3. Does open dialogue surrounding racism and racial issues bother you?

You don't need to respond to this message but I would suggest taking a look inwards and sorting out how you formulate your generalizations and assumptions because it is starting to show on the forum.

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And now, I am going to exit this conversation as we are detracting from the Richmond developments/updates.
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Old Posted Dec 5, 2021, 9:53 PM
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Lol s-cryer is alone in this one. It's ok to call something for what it obviously is, rather than deconstruct everything and pretending to be born yesterday. Such a weird conversation
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Old Posted Dec 5, 2021, 10:08 PM
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whatnext def has a ton racial resentment problems, i'm just gonna throw that out in the open lol.

Everybody knows it and he's been at it for years
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2021, 6:24 PM
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lol, this is awkward

I wonder if scryer is gonna come up with his own explanations for each of these as well
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whatnext def has a ton racial resentment problems, i'm just gonna throw that out in the open lol.

Everybody knows it and he's been at it for years
I've noticed this as well in the non-Canadian parts of the forum as well. Is he/she actually anti-Asian or anti-Chinese, or mostly anti-CPC and has trouble distinguishing the difference?
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Old Posted Dec 7, 2021, 5:16 PM
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Some people don't believe anything's racism unless they explicitly say they don't like a certain group. It's very convenient for dismissing racism by being able to say "you're just assuming that's what I meant", or "you're reading too much into it"

I don't know how anyone who's arguing in good faith could not see the racial implications of suggesting people in Richmond don't work or have jobs.
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Old Posted Dec 7, 2021, 6:49 PM
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I've noticed this as well in the non-Canadian parts of the forum as well. Is he/she actually anti-Asian or anti-Chinese, or mostly anti-CPC and has trouble distinguishing the difference?
"I'm not against the Chinese People, just the CCP"

"Also, all Chinese people are either agents of or are brainwashed by the CCP. Even the ones born and raised in Canada"

"Proof? The very fact you are disagreeing with me proves the Chinese have infiltrated this forum!"
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Old Posted Dec 7, 2021, 6:50 PM
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Some people don't believe anything's racism unless they explicitly say they don't like a certain group. It's very convenient for dismissing racism by being able to say "you're just assuming that's what I meant", or "you're reading too much into it"

I don't know how anyone who's arguing in good faith could not see the racial implications of suggesting people in Richmond don't work or have jobs.
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Old Posted Dec 7, 2021, 9:16 PM
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whatnext knows that. He is not even trying to defend himself for blurting out that sort of comments.

Scryer, you are just making yourself look equally bad.

Let's just let the moderator deal with this and get back to Richmond updates/postings.
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Old Posted Dec 8, 2021, 3:54 AM
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Keltic Canada buys 27 acres in Richmond for $300 million+

https://www.urbanyvr.com/keltic-richmond-land-sale/


https://www.urbanyvr.com/keltic-richmond-land-sale/

That's the site of this [former] project:

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Not sure if this has been posted yet. Looks to be somewhere near the Olympic Oval.

N2W by Westgem.
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Cool, thanks!
Looks like a massive site. I wonder where it is?

Different (old) rendering from developer's website if anyone can place it.


https://www.westgem.ca/about-us

I think it's on the "World of Kidtropolis" site.
You can see the park beyond 2 Rd Bridge in the rendering.
And they've sent a new road through WorkSafeBC at the bottom left of the rendering.


https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ri...4d-123.1516981
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2022, 9:32 AM
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Instead of anyone bringing race into a conversation, lets just agree that everyone is capable of being an asshole. It doesn't matter where your from. If there are supporting facts to show people in Richmond DONT work... thats not racist. Facts aren't racists. People are stupid that believe they are. If there is no fact to prove that people from Richmond dont work then its an opinion and everyone is allowed those, unless were all living in a communist Nation now.

See humor can be used to lighten the mood, now lets talk building.
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Instead of anyone bringing race into a conversation, lets just agree that everyone is capable of being an asshole. It doesn't matter where your from. If there are supporting facts to show people in Richmond DONT work... thats not racist. Facts aren't racists. People are stupid that believe they are. If there is no fact to prove that people from Richmond dont work then its an opinion and everyone is allowed those, unless were all living in a communist Nation now.

See humor can be used to lighten the mood, now lets talk building.
And if there are no "FACTS" or statistics or data points to support that opinion that people from a certain area (and of predominantly a specific ethnicity and race) don't work, and that opinion is rooted in racist stereotypes and is only being floated for the purpose of denigrating that group, then it's equally okay to call it out for what it is and not dance circles around it with semantics and rhetoric, and try to do mental gymnastics to excuse it.

Yes, people are indeed allowed to have opinions.
And other people are equally allowed to challenge those opinions, question the basis for their formation and the motive for voicing them , and if necessary, call them out for what they are.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from scrutiny of said speech or from consequences.
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Old Posted Jan 10, 2022, 8:19 PM
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Instead of anyone bringing race into a conversation, lets just agree that everyone is capable of being an asshole. It doesn't matter where your from. If there are supporting facts to show people in Richmond DONT work... thats not racist. Facts aren't racists. People are stupid that believe they are. If there is no fact to prove that people from Richmond dont work then its an opinion and everyone is allowed those, unless were all living in a communist Nation now.

See humor can be used to lighten the mood, now lets talk building.
Not if they are lies and misinformation spread on purpose due to hate. I'm sure Nazi Germany thought it was "alright" to stereotype certain people back in the days, and the Deutsche folks then were neither stupid nor were they Communists.
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