LeBreton Flats 2.0 (RendezVous LeBreton) | Cancelled

[McC]

Some details announced today:
http://www.ncc-ccn.gc.ca/capital-plannin...01-07/national-capital-commission-begins

The National Capital Commission begins evaluation of submissions to develop LeBreton Flats
Published on January 07, 2015

Canada’s Capital Region — The National Capital Commission (NCC), today, closed its request for qualifications (RFQ) to imagine the future of the largest and most significant development site in the core of Canada’s Capital.

“We are encouraged that our invitation elicited such strong interest in the LeBreton Flats development,” said the NCC’s Chief Executive Officer, Dr. Mark Kristmanson. “We thank the proponents who have put their talents forward to reimagine this exceptional site. We will now begin the evaluation process.”

Five (5) proponents have submitted proposals to the NCC. They were invited to imagine a world-class destination, a place of inspiration that would demonstrate design excellence and innovation, and be an attractive place for all Canadians, as well as residents of the Capital. As described in the RFQ document, the submissions will be evaluated for completeness and in accordance with the evaluation criteria outlined in the document.

The evaluation committee will be composed of three NCC executive staff members along with renowned architect A. J. “Jack” Diamond (Diamond Schmitt Architects) and professional planner and land economist Mark Conway (N. Barry Lyon Consultants).

The solicitation process is intended to prequalify two to five proponents. Once the NCC’s Board of Directors have ratified the prequalified proponents, they will be announced in March 2015. The prequalified proponents will then be invited to participate in the second stage of the process, the request for proposals, which is intended to select a successful proponent for the redevelopment of the site.

The subject site for redevelopment is 9.3 hectares. In addition, the NCC has requested that proponents include a development planning outlook on a larger area, referred to as option lands, consisting of an additional 12.3 hectares.

Please visit ncc-ccn.gc.ca/lebreton for more information.

[JeffB]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Las Vegas would not have a whole lot of fans. The seats would be filled with nothing but tourists. NHL teams should go to markets where you can actually build a fan base, not just another novelty show.

Except I suspect the seats wouldn't be filled with tourists. Why would people who take a trip to Vegas necessarily want to go to a hockey game with the other entertainment options available to them?

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by JeffB

Except I suspect the seats wouldn't be filled with tourists. Why would people who take a trip to Vegas necessarily want to go to a hockey game with the other entertainment options available to them?

Might be an assumption on my part. I just don't see people from Las Vegas buying in to hockey. It might be another attraction for tourists. Of 40-50 million visiting, no doubt many of them (specially Canadians) will take the opportunity to check out a game. Tickets might also be cheaper and more accessible than certain other hockey markets.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by McC

Some details announced today:
http://www.ncc-ccn.gc.ca/capital-plannin...01-07/national-capital-commission-begins

So 5 proposals. Any guesses on the companies?

I'd say:

- Melnyk, of course is confirmed;
- Claridge;
- Minto;
- Windmill (though they might have their hands full with the E.B. Eddy lands);
- Broccolini.

Although Brookfield, Cadillac Fairview and Oxford might be the biggest developers in Canada, but I don't think that they would bother investing in this kind of big proposal in Ottawa. They seem to stick with their existing properties.

For different reasons, I doubt Ashcroft, Richcraft and Mastercraft Starwood will be included in this.

[waterloowarrior]

I think Toronto and Montreal players will be involved, at least from the financing end and possibly development partners, and Ottawa developers may need to team up. This is 50 acres and hundreds of millions worth of development. In comparison Pan Am Athletes Village ($500 million) and the Domtar lands ($1 billion) are 35 and 37 acres. Remember that Windmill is not doing the Domtar lands themselves, they are working with Toronto development company Dream Unlimited, which is also one of the partners for the Pan Am project.

[c_speed3108]

Even the Senators said they were approached by others. They are on someones team.

What is the more interesting question is what the elements of each proposal will be, particularly with respect to key attraction(s) for national significance (or however the ncc worded it)

I would not be surprised if someone tries to include a sci and tech musium somehow. Other than that, I can't really think

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by c_speed3108

1. Even the Senators said they were approached by others. They are on someones team.

What is the more interesting question is what the elements of each proposal will be, particularly with respect to key attraction(s) for national significance (or however the ncc worded it)

I would not be surprised if someone tries to include a 2. sci and tech musium somehow. Other than that, I can't really think

1. I didn't want to speculate on who they might have partnered with since I have no clue.

2. That was my initial thought, but whoever might have included this in their plans suffered a huge blow when Baird announced the 80 million to renovate the bread factory a month after the call for proposal was launched.

Other proposals might include an aquarium (boring), a casino (already have one in Hull, why split the profits? Boat has sailed, get your own damn idea) or a zoo (which is cruel imo).

[Temperance]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

1. I didn't want to speculate on who they might have partnered with since I have no clue.

2. That was my initial thought, but whoever might have included this in their plans suffered a huge blow when Baird announced the 80 million to renovate the bread factory a month after the call for proposal was launched.

Other proposals might include an aquarium (boring), a casino (already have one in Hull, why split the profits? Boat has sailed, get your own damn idea) or a zoo (which is cruel imo).

All these proposal are pretty lame. It would be nice to see the government step up and actually think about building something of national import. A hockey rink ain't it (as much as I love hockey).

[waterloowarrior]

Maybe another portrait gallery in a condo podium :p

[phil235]

Originally Posted by Temperance

All these proposal are pretty lame. It would be nice to see the government step up and actually think about building something of national import. A hockey rink ain't it (as much as I love hockey).

I would love to see the government step up and build something of national import (how about a science museum), but that is just not going to happen with the current crew.

In any event, this site is huge. It will take more than one component to fill it. There's no reason that we couldn't see an arena, plus a national institution, plus some mixed use development and a public square of some kind.

Either way, we should probably wait to see the proposals before declaring them lame.

[Kitchissippi]

A company like Concord Pacific might be interested in this site, it's sort of in line with their other projects and would expand their presence beyond Vancouver, Toronto and Calgary. A big developer that's new to the city with something different to offer might have better appeal than a local company that already has projects in other parts of the city.

Finding a component that is of "national" scope is problematic. It would be odd for a developer to propose a museum or gallery without the cooperation of or direct collaboration with the institution, so if any of these involve a museum like Science and Tech, there would have been some dealing going on behind the scenes.

Something like Washington DC's Newseum would be a great fit for Ottawa — dynamic and contemporary, interpreting history as it is happening

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

Maybe another portrait gallery in a condo podium :p

No - a monument to portrait galleries. Or a gallery of portraits of monuments. Or a museum of green space.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by phil235

I would love to see the government step up and build something of national import (how about a science museum), but that is just not going to happen with the current crew.

In any event, this site is huge. It will take more than one component to fill it. There's no reason that we couldn't see an arena, plus a national institution, plus some mixed use development and a public square of some kind.

And green space! Lots of nationally-significant shrubs that will draw proud Canadians from Bella Bella to Bonavista!

[OTSkyline]

I have a question... If the Senators were approached by a couple of different groups or developpers for the Lebreton proposal, wouldn't it be possible for them to tag-team on other proposals instead of submitting their own?

Meaning, maybe the city would've received a proposal from Claridge to build (condos, restaurants, public square and NHL arena) and another proposal from Windmill to build (condos, restaurants, public square and NHL arena) etc... Meaning several proposals would include a new home for the SENS?

[MoreTrains]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

No - a monument to portrait galleries. Or a gallery of portraits of monuments. Or a museum of green space.

NO! A museum of galleries dedicated to portraits of monuments all in a green space! I call it 'Inconservativeideas'

[Kitchissippi]

Keep it simple: Greenspace in the shape of a portrait of greenspace.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by OTSkyline

I have a question... If the Senators were approached by a couple of different groups or developpers for the Lebreton proposal, wouldn't it be possible for them to tag-team on other proposals instead of submitting their own?

Meaning, maybe the city would've received a proposal from Claridge to build (condos, restaurants, public square and NHL arena) and another proposal from Windmill to build (condos, restaurants, public square and NHL arena) etc... Meaning several proposals would include a new home for the SENS?

In theory we could see multiple proposals with NHL arenas but the Sens aren't allowed to have their name on multiple proposals.

[c_speed3108]

It was mentioned today by one of the city hall reporters that a new central library is NOT involved in any of the submissions.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by c_speed3108

It was mentioned today by one of the city hall reporters that a new central library is NOT involved in any of the submissions.

I guess it wouldn't be considered a "Nationally significant" destination in any stretch.

[citydwlr]

Originally Posted by c_speed3108

It was mentioned today by one of the city hall reporters that a new central library is NOT involved in any of the submissions.

Here's some related information via the Ottawa Sun blog:

City Not Part Of Lebreton Flats Submissions